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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 24, 2018 23:32:53 GMT -7
I took a lot of heat on this forum last year when I stated Wilks was the second coming of Mike Singletary. Singletary was promoted to head coach based on his presence and speeches. He was credited for having a "commanding presence" During interviews with the media, he sounded like a man in charge. He was hired on bravado and swagger. He was the disciplinarian that was going to clean up the weak willed regime of Mike Nolan. He was a disaster
When Wilks was hired, the reasons for doing so where the same. "He has a commanding presence" "He captured the room" "He seems like a born leader' "He reminds me of Denzel Washington in Remember the Titans." All trivial reasons and I called it early. I said "Mike Singletary" 2.0 And we are seeing that.
At the end of the season, we need to fire Steve Keim and this coaching staff. There is no reason to keep Wilks just for "we have to give him at least 3 years before we can see if he is any good" Don't start with that argument.
We can learn from the 49ers experience and not only fire Singletary but maybe hire Harbaugh if he becomes available.
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 25, 2018 1:30:10 GMT -7
You are absolutely right. I expect Wilks to drop his pants before the bye week.
And how about McCoy as the second coming of Amos?
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Post by biggs on Sept 25, 2018 6:09:40 GMT -7
I hate boxing this guy in. He's a young coach with a crappy football team. I suspect SK had a lot to do with hiring McCoy. He's got a 4 year deal with a team option for year 5. Lets see how Rosen Develops and how the team develops. WIlks should be here at least through next year before we compare him to anyone. He's a rookie Head Coach. He doesn't need to be labeled after 3 games with a QB who was hired at money out of retirement.
No doubt he's got to turn things around but the over rating of this team before game 1 was off the charts.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 6:36:26 GMT -7
You had my attention and agreement up to here. After that it just went down the drain.....
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Post by aris on Sept 25, 2018 6:52:13 GMT -7
I took a lot of heat on this forum last year when I stated Wilks was the second coming of Mike Singletary. Singletary was promoted to head coach based on his presence and speeches. He was credited for having a "commanding presence" During interviews with the media, he sounded like a man in charge. He was hired on bravado and swagger. He was the disciplinarian that was going to clean up the weak willed regime of Mike Nolan. He was a disaster
When Wilks was hired, the reasons for doing so where the same. "He has a commanding presence" "He captured the room" "He seems like a born leader' "He reminds me of Denzel Washington in Remember the Titans." All trivial reasons and I called it early. I said "Mike Singletary" 2.0 And we are seeing that.
At the end of the season, we need to fire Steve Keim and this coaching staff. There is no reason to keep Wilks just for "we have to give him at least 3 years before we can see if he is any good" Don't start with that argument.
We can learn from the 49ers experience and not only fire Singletary but maybe hire Harbaugh if he becomes available.
I was trying to remember who it was that labeled him Mike Singletary. Props to you. I just didn't know enough about him at the time. It's eerie how similar they are right up to the bulging of the eyes on the sideline. The deer in the headlights. What the hell just hit me look. This guy is in way over his head. I could see a slow start for a new coach but this team had historically bad numbers after two games. They were in another league all together. A good portion of that is on Keim but it's also very bad coaching. |
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Post by Cardinals Junkie on Sept 25, 2018 7:24:39 GMT -7
I hate boxing this guy in. He's a young coach with a crappy football team. I suspect SK had a lot to do with hiring McCoy. He's got a 4 year deal with a team option for year 5. Lets see how Rosen Develops and how the team develops. WIlks should be here at least through next year before we compare him to anyone. He's a rookie Head Coach. He doesn't need to be labeled after 3 games with a QB who was hired at money out of retirement. No doubt he's got to turn things around but the over rating of this team before game 1 was off the charts. If he shows some promise of game management by the end of the season them maybe you consider retaining him unless some proven coach is interested. As it stands right now, he has no clue what the hell he's doing out there and if that continues you get rid of him. |
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Post by jonlp24 on Sept 25, 2018 9:07:10 GMT -7
Mike Singletary isn't even a coordinator. Wilks can do that. I say keep him fire McCoy.
Besides there have been worse coaches than Singletary who swept us when we were good. Had Brett Farve & the Vikings best til a miracle throw by Favre.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 25, 2018 9:35:46 GMT -7
I hate boxing this guy in. He's a young coach with a crappy football team. I suspect SK had a lot to do with hiring McCoy. He's got a 4 year deal with a team option for year 5. Lets see how Rosen Develops and how the team develops. WIlks should be here at least through next year before we compare him to anyone. He's a rookie Head Coach. He doesn't need to be labeled after 3 games with a QB who was hired at money out of retirement. No doubt he's got to turn things around but the over rating of this team before game 1 was off the charts. For me, if for no other reason Wilks gets a pass because his boss is a drunk who sunk deep enough to create a huge distraction (as far as I'm concerned) with his inability to arrange appropriate transportation home after a nice evening at the watering hole. Throw in the 2016 draft bust and other moves leaving the cupboard bare, and it's easier for me. The great unknown is how much input the bloated alcoholic had in hiring McCoy, if that has Otis Keim's fingerprints on it then all the more reason to give Wilks more space. There is precedent, Kenny had Clancy forced on him as DC until after the SB run and Kenny properly used his power to make the move. |
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 25, 2018 15:40:44 GMT -7
I hate boxing this guy in. He's a young coach with a crappy football team. I suspect SK had a lot to do with hiring McCoy. He's got a 4 year deal with a team option for year 5. Lets see how Rosen Develops and how the team develops. WIlks should be here at least through next year before we compare him to anyone. He's a rookie Head Coach. He doesn't need to be labeled after 3 games with a QB who was hired at money out of retirement. No doubt he's got to turn things around but the over rating of this team before game 1 was off the charts. For me, if for no other reason Wilks gets a pass because his boss is a drunk who sunk deep enough to create a huge distraction (as far as I'm concerned) with his inability to arrange appropriate transportation home after a nice evening at the watering hole. Throw in the 2016 draft bust and other moves leaving the cupboard bare, and it's easier for me. The great unknown is how much input the bloated alcoholic had in hiring McCoy, if that has Otis Keim's fingerprints on it then all the more reason to give Wilks more space. There is precedent, Kenny had Clancy forced on him as DC until after the SB run and Kenny properly used his power to make the move. I know you are smart enough to see the real elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss. A more precise clue; "the buck stops here." To borrow from Breaking Bad, "Say my name." |
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Post by zed on Sept 26, 2018 12:16:24 GMT -7
For me, if for no other reason Wilks gets a pass because his boss is a drunk who sunk deep enough to create a huge distraction (as far as I'm concerned) with his inability to arrange appropriate transportation home after a nice evening at the watering hole. Throw in the 2016 draft bust and other moves leaving the cupboard bare, and it's easier for me. The great unknown is how much input the bloated alcoholic had in hiring McCoy, if that has Otis Keim's fingerprints on it then all the more reason to give Wilks more space. There is precedent, Kenny had Clancy forced on him as DC until after the SB run and Kenny properly used his power to make the move. I know you are smart enough to see the real elephant in the room that no one wants to discuss. A more precise clue; "the buck stops here." To borrow from Breaking Bad, "Say my name." |
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Post by zed on Sept 26, 2018 12:23:09 GMT -7
[quote timestamp="1537893346" source="/post/12674/thread" author= >>Otis Keim<< Oooof! That hurts. It is amazing how one DUI takes a guy who was part of BASK, and now is an inept drunk. Makes you wonder how liquored up he was during the ‘16 draft? I’m glad that Mike Bidwill didn’t fire him for the DUI, but I think he has to take a hard look this off season at replacing Keim and the coaching staff. No need to keep Otis or Mike Singletary v2.0. |
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Post by zed on Sept 26, 2018 12:25:07 GMT -7
[quote timestamp="1537893346" source="/post/12674/thread" author= >>Otis Keim<< Oooof! That hurts. It is amazing how one DUI takes a guy who was part of BASK, and now is an inept drunk. Makes you wonder how liquored up he was during the ‘16 draft? I’m glad that Mike Bidwill didn’t fire him for the DUI, but I think he has to take a hard look this off season at replacing Keim and the coaching staff. No need to keep Otis or Mike Singletary v2.0. |
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Post by biggs on Sept 26, 2018 12:33:57 GMT -7
You had my attention and agreement up to here. After that it just went down the drain..... You act like this was a playoff team. We haven't sniffed the playoffs in 2 years. What Arians did last year with a bad football team was tremendous. We don't have the same personal as last year. We are worse at QB, WR, TE, Linebacker and No. 2 CB. We had two drafts that were an outright disaster and are still carrying dead cap space from our last failed run to a SB. Wilks may or may not be a problem. SK and Bidwill certainly are a problem. |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 26, 2018 12:57:53 GMT -7
[quote timestamp="1537893346" source="/post/12674/thread" author= >>Otis Keim<< Oooof! That hurts. It is amazing how one DUI takes a guy who was part of BASK, and now is an inept drunk. Makes you wonder how liquored up he was during the ‘16 draft? I’m glad that Mike Bidwill didn’t fire him for the DUI, but I think he has to take a hard look this off season at replacing Keim and the coaching staff. No need to keep Otis or Mike Singletary v2.0. Perception is reality. If Keim is perceived as an inept drunk, he is one. I lose a professional license if I'm convicted of a felony, ergo I am smart enough to never put myself in that position and I mean never. Keim wasn't. Fired. |
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Post by biggs on Sept 26, 2018 13:40:33 GMT -7
Perception is reality. If Keim is perceived as an inept drunk, he is one. I lose a professional license if I'm convicted of a felony, ergo I am smart enough to never put myself in that position and I mean never. Keim wasn't. Fired. I don't have any issue with the drunk part. It's the inept part. If SK was an adroit drunk and drafted great players I'm good. If he's a pilot flying my plane I'll take sober and adroit for 200 dollars Alex. Maybe he's regular Uber Driver gave him DJ's name? |
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