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Post by RedCards on Sept 21, 2018 18:26:53 GMT -7
No if Bradford tanks we cant feed Rosen to the wolves. This would be a huge mistake. This team isn't ready for anything but failure right now. I say we toss Glennon out there to see if we can get some sort of anything positive going . Its not just the QB and Rosen getting his butt kicked aint gonna solve a thing. There is nothing gelling on any side of the ball or play making . Putting in Rosen will not turn this team around. We aint the Browns and no your not getting free beer........LOL...
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Post by Rimrock on Sept 21, 2018 18:46:10 GMT -7
He will be along soon enough.......i though Sam would be hurt by now...but i didn`t know McCoy had this master plan of 100% QB injury proof football.....see ya have your QB do nothing and no one wants to hurt him.......Genius really...bountygate in reverse......anyone that hurts Harmless Sam is Blackballed outta the league
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 21, 2018 19:11:21 GMT -7
no rosen this year. no need to damage the boy with this team. playing under these coached may psychologically scar him for life.
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Post by SMITTY on Sept 21, 2018 20:20:53 GMT -7
Sam will have to play better to keep Rosen off the field for game 4. Let's see that arm Sammy.
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Post by thomas cat on Sept 21, 2018 21:02:57 GMT -7
I'm of the opinion that putting him in with what we got now would be a disaster. These other young QB's that are proving their worth have a decent team around them....we do not.
Even the very best QB would have a hard time turning around our offense with what we got. Put than on a rookie, you are setting him up to fail.
Until our OL, WR's, TE's, and just plan coaching and game plan improve ( and maybe it will, fingers crossed )….keep Bradford in there.
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Post by Rimrock on Sept 21, 2018 21:14:01 GMT -7
I'm of the opinion that putting him in with what we got now would be a disaster. These other young QB's that are proving their worth have a decent team around them....we do not. Even the very best QB would have a hard time turning around our offense with what we got. Put than on a rookie, you are setting him up to fail. Until our OL, WR's, TE's, and just plan coaching and game plan improve ( and maybe it will, fingers crossed )….keep Bradford in there. Totally |
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Post by SMITTY on Sept 21, 2018 21:52:02 GMT -7
I'm of the opinion that putting him in with what we got now would be a disaster. These other young QB's that are proving their worth have a decent team around them....we do not. Even the very best QB would have a hard time turning around our offense with what we got. Put than on a rookie, you are setting him up to fail. Until our OL, WR's, TE's, and just plan coaching and game plan improve ( and maybe it will, fingers crossed )….keep Bradford in there. We do have more talent on offense than last year's 8-8 squad. We did add Johnson and Kirk, lost the Browns. OL is a wash.
Bradford is a bum, management is going to have to hold him accountable unless he kicks it into gear soon, put in Glennon. Anything.
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Post by jonlp24 on Sept 21, 2018 23:34:48 GMT -7
I want to play the best QB on the roster and if that is 4 yppa Bradford that is very sad.
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Post by UKcardinal on Sept 22, 2018 1:56:39 GMT -7
Disagree completely.
If we are looking for the perfect situation to put Rosen in, who is to say it is even next year? Or the year after that? Fact is there is no perfect time to put in a QB. Rosen was the most pro ready quarterback out of the lot this year, put him in there and evaluate what you have in him and the rest of the team. If you are going to stick with Bradford or put Glennon in there you might aswell forfeit every game.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 22, 2018 3:50:35 GMT -7
I think that When Rosen does start, he will win.
First build the team, then win with Rosen.
That is the best plan. Management and fans just have to tolerate the process.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 22, 2018 3:51:18 GMT -7
Disagree completely. If we are looking for the perfect situation to put Rosen in, who is to say it is even next year? Or the year after that? Fact is there is no perfect time to put in a QB. Rosen was the most pro ready quarterback out of the lot this year, put him in there and evaluate what you have in him and the rest of the team. If you are going to stick with Bradford or put Glennon in there you might aswell forfeit every game. Completely agree, We have fitz kirk johnson and seals-jones I am not sure what more you need. The problem is the play caller and a Qb that can barely move throwing the ball 3 yds per attempt. Rosen is much more of a threat because he is mobile and we do have weapons. The other problem and probably the biggest for the D they are on the dang field too long. No D can hold up to all these snaps they are having to play because an incompetent Qb and OC. I am sorry but if you have not figured it out by now I am no fan of Mccoy nor Bradford. Well I can't be certain it is both because I am not certain if Braford is doing what he is told to do or Bradford is doing this on his own. I won't much care if this offense plays like it has the first two games then I say give the kid a shot and I guess you have to let mccoy have a shot the rest of the season then part ways if it doesn't improve. I am still shaking my head only crossing the 50 yd line in the fourth quarter when no one cared. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 22, 2018 4:01:34 GMT -7
I think that When Rosen does start, he will win. First build the team, then win with Rosen. That is the best plan. Management and fans just have to tolerate the process. I think this team is being judged too harshly when it is clearly the performance of the Qb and OC hurting it the most. Not saying this is a good team we don't know how good it is or can be because of the Qb play or play calling or both. No one can expect DJ to be productive when teams don't fear the passing game and the Qb is averaging 3.3 yds per attempt. Bradford has been inaccurate so you can't blame that on the OC so maybe it is Bradford and we just have to get someone else in there. Mayfield don't have a better team around him and he was fine. |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 22, 2018 4:22:04 GMT -7
no one cam expect him to be red? with that contract somebody expected him to be. after he gets paid come all the excuses. if he cant then don't pay him like he can. that contract turned him into a bust. he had potential, now he's a bum because he can never live up to his contract. he became another honey badger.
bradford has been doing exactly what he has been asked to to, he is following the game plan and playcalls of the coaches on the sidelines. this is 100% on wilks. you can claim its McCoy making the calls not wilks but that was wilks call too. mayfeild has a nfl level coach. rosen and Bradford don't. remember how many games denny green was winning? whis and haley came in and won with the same players. haley left and suddenly whis floundered. same thing here. it takes at least one person on the sidelines that actually knows what they are doing. who was on the sideline for mayfeild? we should get haley on the phone and see how fast he can get here.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 22, 2018 4:53:29 GMT -7
no one cam expect him to be red? with that contract somebody expected him to be. after he gets paid come all the excuses. if he cant then don't pay him like he can. that contract turned him into a bust. he had potential, now he's a bum because he can never live up to his contract. he became another honey badger. bradford has been doing exactly what he has been asked to to, he is following the game plan and playcalls of the coaches on the sidelines. this is 100% on wilks. you can claim its McCoy making the calls not wilks but that was wilks call too. mayfeild has a nfl level coach. rosen and Bradford don't. remember how many games denny green was winning? whis and haley came in and won with the same players. haley left and suddenly whis floundered. same thing here. it takes at least one person on the sidelines that actually knows what they are doing. who was on the sideline for mayfeild? we should get haley on the phone and see how fast he can get here. Bradford hasn't been accurate either so it is on him as well. If Mccoy schemes better and it includes DJ like he said I expect things to get better unless Bradford is just so bad there is no improvement they don't have a choice but to get Bradford out. I know that Gordon started getting it done once Mccoy was gone but I can't put it all on Mccoy in this case. Haley is gonna get another shot I just hope he gets rid of the way he is with people sometimes it would be to his advantage. The guy knows football there is no doubt about it. I think that was the plan to keep Bradford healthy and it was a bad choice, it has resulted in the worst offense in the league. |
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Post by biggs on Sept 22, 2018 6:44:01 GMT -7
I'm of the opinion that putting him in with what we got now would be a disaster. These other young QB's that are proving their worth have a decent team around them....we do not. Even the very best QB would have a hard time turning around our offense with what we got. Put than on a rookie, you are setting him up to fail. Until our OL, WR's, TE's, and just plan coaching and game plan improve ( and maybe it will, fingers crossed )….keep Bradford in there. the Jets have a much worse OL, they don't have a running back remotely in DJ class or a WR like Fitz. Darnold has been thrown out to develop and he actually has a veteran QB who is mentoring him. Bradford may be hurting Rosen at this point. Fear is contagious. Darnold has struggled but he is also handling it professionally. I think it helps him long term. |
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