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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 2, 2020 12:12:49 GMT -7
I think I started a 2021 draft thread last week, forgetting this one already existed. Can one of the mods just combine them?
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 2, 2020 12:20:22 GMT -7
I'm shocked I hadn't heard of him. I doubt he's near the WR Engram is, but Engram wasn't much of a blocker, so that's where this guy may have an edge. Here's my take: Plusses: Top ranked TE out of high school Genes - Dad was a pro Solid blocker Insane 20 yards shuttle Minuses: 40 time is 4.79. That's slow as heck for a receiving threat, and that's not even his true time, because combine times are always slower. I'm guessing he's more of a 4.80 kid, but I'll give him benefit of the doubt. He could very well be a replacement for Maxx, which is what we sorely need. A dependable blocker with, first step quickness and great hands. But he is in now way in the class of Hockensen. It's not even close. He's not even in Engram's class, not with the serious speed differential. I think the guy could be a stud, but there's no way I drop a first round pick on a guy that slow. I can't recall the last time a slow TE went in the first round.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 2, 2020 12:23:21 GMT -7
I think Waddle goes earlier than they have him mocked. The guy ran step for step with Henry Ruggs and we know how high he went. If Waddle drops that far, I'd almost bet money that's who we take. You don't let 4.28 speed get away, not when the person is over 6ft and has hands. Heck, I think we'd take Waddle even if Isabella pans out. With 2 WR's running 4.2's, We can alternate who stretches the field and who runs underneath routes. They couldn't key off one guy in 4 WR sets. Not to mention, the more speed we bring in, the more we increase the value of Dhop and Fitz, if the latter stays. Keep in mind, this is coming from someone who never wants to waste a 1st rounder on a WR, unless it's a Fitz or Megatron - guaranteed type.
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Post by devongent on Oct 2, 2020 12:50:13 GMT -7
ryashlee - Middle link on previous post now working!
More highlights -
It would be interesting to see the times of Brevin Jordan v Pat Freiermuth listed side by side. Are you able to get them (I cannot locate)?
The other guy, Kyle Pitts, is not a good enough blocker (hence all-rounder TE) for me.
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Post by devongent on Oct 2, 2020 13:08:29 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Oct 2, 2020 14:18:14 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Oct 3, 2020 1:31:29 GMT -7
I think Waddle goes earlier than they have him mocked. The guy ran step for step with Henry Ruggs and we know how high he went. If Waddle drops that far, I'd almost bet money that's who we take. You don't let 4.28 speed get away, not when the person is over 6ft and has hands. Heck, I think we'd take Waddle even if Isabella pans out. With 2 WR's running 4.2's, We can alternate who stretches the field and who runs underneath routes. They couldn't key off one guy in 4 WR sets. Not to mention, the more speed we bring in, the more we increase the value of Dhop and Fitz, if the latter stays. I've had a quick look through some video and Jalen can certainly shift. As I mentioned before I think you have his height wrong, he is under 6 feet. I think it comes down to 'apples or pears', which do you prefer? For me I would like a WR2 who has height, a good route runner (we can develop if necessary), an extended catch radius and an excellent pair of hands. I don't want much then, but I am prepared to sacrifice a bit of straight line speed for all of above. - A player of this type would give Kyler an 'easy go' option where he doesn't have to be one-hundred precise with his throw and thus a particularly good outlet when he is under pressure and needs to get rid of the ball quick. - Not saying I'm right of course, but just an opinion (as always). As I have posted before I am not keen on burning our first rounder on a WR. - Should we do so then I would be interested in taking Rashod Bateman (again he seems to fit my brief). My favorite option is still for a Cornerback in Round 1. but only for one of the elite few. - If we cannot get such then we will have to look and see what's on offer in Round 2. What about the two 'number 9's' thereafter? Round 2 - Brevin Jordan Round 3 - T J Vasher The above two would certainly pep-up our attacking weapons. - A long way to go and I am probably way off the mark.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 3, 2020 7:00:11 GMT -7
Devongent,
Thanks for the links to the readings and entertainment. Very interesting.
PutMeIn
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 3, 2020 14:59:29 GMT -7
I think Waddle goes earlier than they have him mocked. The guy ran step for step with Henry Ruggs and we know how high he went. If Waddle drops that far, I'd almost bet money that's who we take. You don't let 4.28 speed get away, not when the person is over 6ft and has hands. Heck, I think we'd take Waddle even if Isabella pans out. With 2 WR's running 4.2's, We can alternate who stretches the field and who runs underneath routes. They couldn't key off one guy in 4 WR sets. Not to mention, the more speed we bring in, the more we increase the value of Dhop and Fitz, if the latter stays. I've had a quick look through some video and Jalen can certainly shift. As I mentioned before I think you have his height wrong, he is under 6 feet. I think it comes down to 'apples or pears', which do you prefer? For me I would like a WR2 who has height, a good route runner (we can develop if necessary), an extended catch radius and an excellent pair of hands. I don't want much then, but I am prepared to sacrifice a bit of straight line speed for all of above. - A player of this type would give Kyler an 'easy go' option where he doesn't have to be one-hundred precise with his throw and thus a particularly good outlet when he is under pressure and needs to get rid of the ball quick. - Not saying I'm right of course, but just an opinion (as always). As I have posted before I am not keen on burning our first rounder on a WR. - Should we do so then I would be interested in taking Rashod Bateman (again he seems to fit my brief). My favorite option is still for a Cornerback in Round 1. but only for one of the elite few. - If we cannot get such then we will have to look and see what's on offer in Round 2. What about the two 'number 9's' thereafter? Round 2 - Brevin Jordan Round 3 - T J Vasher The above two would certainly pep-up our attacking weapons. - A long way to go and I am probably way off the mark. I didn't think corner would be an option since there are only 4 I want, and the top 3 will be top-20 pics. However, if KK finds a way to keep losing maybe we will get PP's replacement:)
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Post by devongent on Oct 4, 2020 1:48:41 GMT -7
I didn't think corner would be an option since there are only 4 I want, and the top 3 will be top-20 pics. However, if KK finds a way to keep losing maybe we will get PP's replacement:) Is the fourth option the guy you mentioned on the other thread (Asante Samuel Jr)? If so, then I take it you are looking at Round 2 (at most) for him. For myself; if Farley, Surtain and Wade are all gone then (at the moment) I am waiting to the second round to consider the options there. - I am sure there must be some talented players remaining and both you and I have given a preference. - However, it is still early days and one or two guys could come along the rails and show elite potential (so there is always hope). As a matter of interest quite a few pundits are liking Paulson Adebo, but so far I have not had a look at him. Any thoughts on Adebo? If we do end up drafting a Cornerback in round 2 then I won't be too disappointed. - We still need a CB2 sometime over the next couple of years (to fill this looming gap on the roster) and now will be as good a time as any (You would like to think we can get a real good player who can fit the brief for years to come). Assuming the above comes to pass then what to do in Round 1, that is this certainly the question. - I am keeping open minded at the moment, but if either Brevin Jordan or Pat Freiermuth rock up and put in excellent numbers at the combine then I will extremely tempted to throw my hat in with one of these two. - For those (like jeff) wanting OL investment then these guys can certainly help. For those wanting a new weapon for Kyler then you have that too ('two for the price of one' bargains are always an attraction to me when wandering the shopping aisles). - Yes, with my biased TE-liking glasses on then such a player would indeed do nicely... EDIT: I will have to get these two 2021 Draft threads merged. FURTHER EDIT: A view on the top 5 CB prospects. dynastydraftroom.com/ryan-roberts-scouting-update-3-0/Video highlights for Paulson Adebo - www.bing.com/videos/search?q=paulson+adebo+VIDEOS&docid=608019613799223200&mid=BF810FC94601482F3618BF810FC94601482F3618&view=detail&FORM=VIREwww.stanforddaily.com/2020/10/01/paulson-adebo/More research on some of these players is required, but I thought posters/ readers might wish to take on board and do a bit of delving themselves. - Whatever, there are some interesting prospects out there, who could fit the bill as good CB2 material. I suspect one or more may well drop to lower second round status and thus be a realistic option for us at this point.
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Post by devongent on Oct 4, 2020 4:33:12 GMT -7
PutMeIn; Copied.
I've messaged you back.
EDIT: The two 'Draft 2021' threads have now been merged.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Oct 4, 2020 7:46:28 GMT -7
How many 4.2 wide receivers you have does not matter if Tyler does not have time for the Deep routes to develop. As far as drafting wide receivers the only two things I care about are number one can they catch the ball and number two can they get open. It is my humble opinion that especially if Larry retires unless Isabella and Johnson and Kirk all three have good healthy years then the Cardinals first two draft picks next year will be wide receiver and corner. The last few years Patrick Peterson has earned his share of criticism however at one time he was as good as any Corner in the league a tremendously helped the Cardinals defense. Whether he comes back or not on a new contract the Cardinals still need a young stud corner for the next decade.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 4, 2020 8:10:42 GMT -7
It is too early to think about the 2021 NFL draft as we are not sure how many college games will actually get played. Besides, we will have to wait to make our pick as we will have the 32nd pick in the 1st round
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Post by End Zone on Oct 4, 2020 9:50:38 GMT -7
PutMeIn; Copied. I've messaged you back. EDIT: The two 'Draft 2021' threads have now been merged. Copy all!
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Post by Rimrock on Oct 4, 2020 14:26:17 GMT -7
It is too early to think about the 2021 NFL draft as we are not sure how many college games will actually get played. Besides, we will have to wait to make our pick as we will have the 32nd pick in the 1st round you mean 1st pick in 1st round...right now i think only the jets are worse than us....but we`ll see next week wont we..lol
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