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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 12, 2020 18:34:21 GMT -7
This is the year to trade as many of our picks as we can. Trade back, pick up picks in later years, get older guys on shorter deals, etc. Build around Kylers rookie deal with some vets. poo, send a pick or two for Zach Ertz. Hey Moe As it looks now, I have to disagree on trading as many picks as we can. We need these rookie contracts as they are cap friendly The Salary cap will be way down next year I saw estimates of 175 million floor. 40 plus million lower is a killer to some teams. Older vets always want and get more money I think you will like reading this article www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-consequences-of-a-lower-2021-salary-cap-including-the-three-teams-wholl-be-hurt-most/FLCF
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Post by Moestradamis on Sept 12, 2020 21:17:26 GMT -7
I think we see older vets take SUPER cheap deals next year. Itll either be "get paid a lot or get paid a little" imo with little in between but I have similar concerns. Having said that, the cap isn't a super difficult thing to navigate.
Re-sign Chandler and that should give back fund immediately. A few other guys can be restructured or re-signed with "dead years" on their deal. Kyler is the one thats super intriguing to me lol KC did something with Mahomes that I'm wondering if the Cards do with Kyler. If he has a MVP type season, will they extend him early just so they can pay a large portion early? Very interesting times ahead!
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Post by devongent on Sept 13, 2020 1:22:36 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Sept 19, 2020 1:48:52 GMT -7
With some posters advocating taking a WR early doors, I am thus minded to take a sneak at the main prospects. www.draftsite.com/nfl/position/wr/16/2021/walterfootball.com/draft2021WR.phpIts a little too early for me to get behind one man. However, I am looking for VALUE. Is there a prospect who can be an outstanding WR2 for us, where we don't have to burn a top pick? My interest is raised by T J Vasher from Texas Tech. Vaher has got the physique to be a mismatch and a very effective receiver. Also, on the evidence of this video and resume, he has an excellent pair of hands. - I like him!
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 26, 2020 23:36:54 GMT -7
That's right folks, it's never to early to start looking ahead. I'm going to guess most of us know CB is likely our #1 need, but WR potentially could be to, depending on Fitz retirement situation. I'll kick off the draft thoughts with a list of this years top corners: www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospect-rankings/cornerbacksThe top 3 are: 1. Caleb Farley - Virginia Tech 2. Patrick Surtain II - Bama2. Shaun Wade - Ohio St. I don't believe any of these kids are as gifted as top corners from previous years, and I don't think there's much difference between the top 3, but it doesn't matter given how bad our needs are. Unfortunately, the 2021 class is weak at both CB and WR. There are some solid names at the top, but the depth drops off quickly. The top 3 WR: 1. Ja'Marr Chase - LSU 2. Rondale Moore - Purdue 3. Devonta Smith - Bama The 2nd Tier would be:https: 4. Jaylon Waddle - Bama - runs similar to Henry ruggs.... Estimated to clock in in the high 4.28 - 4.30 zone 247sports.com/college/alabama/Article/WATCH-Alabama-Football-WRs-Henry-Ruggs-III-Jaylen-Waddle-race-each-other-131686961/ 5. Terrance Marshall - LSU - 4.46 40 meh 6. Charleston Rambo - OU - 4.48 40 isn't really impressive enough given we need more of a burner Here is the good news. Next year's class is deep at RB so we can let Drake walk if need be. The following are all solid RB's" 1. Travis Etienne - Clemson 2. Trey Sermon - Ohio St. 3. Chubba Hubbard - OSU 3. Pooka Williams - Kansas It's super deep at Offensive Tackle therefore I won't list them all. But there are potentially 5 first round Offensive Tackles including some names people liked last year like Alex Leatherwood. And he's considered maybe the 4th or 5th best this year. In fact, offensive tackle may be deeper than most years, and perhaps the best in this years draft spots. I don't think it's a deep class on the defensive side of the ball at any spot on defense, so I'm happy we focused on defense last year. I think we need to focus on CB in the first or second round, then go almost all offense in next year's draft. Fill in any defensive gaps via FA and hope Simmons pans out. I also don't think it's very deep at TE, so I hope this year's TE's all develop well. The following are some guys I think would be smart to add in the 3rd round or later:Chuba Hubbard - RB - Oklahoma St. Runs a sub 4.3. Qualified as olympic sprinter for Canadian team. Used to running in spread offense. Pooka Williams is also a sub 4.3 guy who gives better competition tons of fits. Better teams focus on shutting him down at KU, and still havent been able to. Patrick Surtain II would be my first choice but there's no way he's available. Short of trading up for him, I might could be convinced to take Jaylon Waddle. His Henry Ruggs speed is exactly what we need.
Id go Surtain/Waddle, whichever is available. And I don't see Waddle going off the board before Chase or Devonta Smith do, but who knows. Maybe he climbs late as Ruggs did. With the best CB's already gone, maybe go Center in the 2nd round, depending on Gaillard's play. If Gaillard establishes himself, I look for a guard. Or maybe a 2nd tier corner I'll discuss later. 3rd round, I'm going with best available RB. RB's generally get taken later unless they are as good as Sequan, and since Chuba/Pooka are spread guys, one of the two is likely around and perfect fit. With their sprinter speed, we have a ton of options, and our dink and dunk offense can up its RAC yardage with either guy. I watch a lot of college ball but one corner I'm curious about is Asante Samuel Jr. He's got the pedigree, so even if he's not a number 1 corner, in a year with limited tape, I'd almost rather bet on a 2nd tier CB from a solid gene pool. You know his dad's likely coached him and pushed him like Bosa does. Or like Surtain's dad did. Which is another reason I want Surtain. Asante Jr. could be a solid 2nd or 3rd round CB pick. Not in Surtain's class, but I'd roll the dice. Here are Asante Jr. highlights. He's a small kid like Byron Murphy, but you can tell he's a competitor and would likely make a solid #2 CB. Just not sure who we'd match up with 1's given PP has been sucking of late. Here's a good article about his competitiveness. Remind you of any of our DB's? www.tallahassee.com/story/sports/college/fsu/football/2020/09/06/asante-samuel-jr-s-competitiveness-example-fsu-football-players/5714173002/So that's my back up plan (If we end up in the playoffs and pick late - which also assumes our line plays well, especially Gaillard being our Center of the future)First round - Jaylon Waddle Second Round - Asante Samuel Jr. (his small stature will push him down draft boards so i think he lasts until mid to late 2nd) Third Round - Chubba Hubbard or Pooka If the draft somehow shook out the way I think it might, I might resign Kirkpatrick, not PP, and roll the dice with Kirkpatrick as #1 CB, Murphy as #2 CB, and Asante Jr. as our Nickel CB, back up corner. And if Simmons doesn't look the part at LB this year, maybe training him at Safety, given next year's safety crop isn't exciting.
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Post by devongent on Sept 27, 2020 1:38:01 GMT -7
The top 3 are: 1. Caleb Farley - Virginia Tech 2. Patrick Surtain II - Bama2. Shaun Wade - Ohio St. Thanks for your resume and thoughts ryashlee; yes, these are the three front-runners at CB and you could well argue that all of them will be long gone before the Cardinals (likely) pick. However, I think that Shaun Wade might drop towards the bottom of the first and therefore he might be possibility for us. Thing about Wade is that this season he was going to be moved out wide, hence he has still to 'prove it' in terms of his ability to cover top WR's one-on-one. People will argue that he has got all the physical tools, but I could envisage him dropping a bit (similar as to what happened to Byron Murphy). - I would be very happy to take Wade as he seems a real competitor (again a bit like Murphy really). Or maybe a 2nd tier corner I'll discuss later. I watch a lot of college ball but one corner I'm curious about is Asante Samuel Jr. He's got the pedigree, so even if he's not a number 1 corner, in a year with limited tape, I'd almost rather bet on a 2nd tier CB from a solid gene pool. I'm not wishing to steal your thunder, but I've been thinking along a similar line. However, I came up with Jaycee Horn as the possible answer. (see link, below). - Interestingly, he has a father-son connection too. - I don't watch college football at all (other than look at highlights for a specific player), but he's my suggestion/ recommendation. dynastydraftroom.com/jaycee-horn-the-top-cornerback-in-the-2021-nfl-draft/
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Post by devongent on Sept 27, 2020 2:01:47 GMT -7
The top 3 WR: 1. Ja'Marr Chase - LSU 2. Rondale Moore - Purdue 3. Devonta Smith - Bama I can see that you are not hot on Rashod Bateman. www.profootballnetwork.com/finding-a-rashod-bateman-comp-in-the-nfl/He's not a burner, but he has good height and it would seem he could catch a bar of soap. - Maybe not a WR1, but I feel that he would be a great 'go to' target for Kyler and thus he would make an excellent WR2 opposite Hopkins. - Worth our first round pick though?
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Sept 27, 2020 4:17:12 GMT -7
All right guys I'm bringing the dead horse back to life. In my humble opinion the top two priority needs for our Cardinals AR cornerback and offensive lineman. Especially if it appears that Patrick Peterson has slowed down a step. The Cardinals have won their first two games by depending upon Kyler Murray running way too much. Sooner or later he is going to be injured. This is assuming that Larry retires and Christian Kirk is still on the team next year. In any event my first two picks would be corner and Tackle. I would also look to add a guard in the fourth or fifth round.
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Post by devongent on Sept 27, 2020 6:25:25 GMT -7
All right guys I'm bringing the dead horse back to life. In my humble opinion the top two priority needs for our Cardinals AR cornerback and offensive lineman. Okay jeff; put that whip away, there's still a long season ahead. Apart from CB (I think most on here agree that this position is of need) then the good old OL cannot be ignored for sure. - I think that RG is our most obvious and greatest upgrade need and I expect that J R Sweezy will not be re-signed, and thus basically it will be a repeat of the A Q Shipley situation this year. - I know others are far from convinced about our Center options, but no doubt this will become clear as the season progresses. You've got to hand it to Sweezy, he has forged a long and successful career in the NFL and all starting out has a seventh round pick. I posted previously on the other draft thread about Wyatt Davis. He has attracted a lot of positive comment and multiple people are placing him on the Cardinals radar. - IF our main CB prospects are gone then why not Wyatt Davis in the first round (assuming he is available)? - I know picking a Guard so high is usually frowned upon. However, if he IS that good then he would certainly enhance the protection of Kyler AND improve our run game. - I am not committing myself to this strategy at this point as it is far too early in the season to do so. Anyway its all up for debate, as they say!
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Sept 27, 2020 6:50:28 GMT -7
Hi Jeff, Devongent and all forum members, The draft is a long way off. My dream is to pick at #32. Hard to get a top corner at that spot. I will soon start looking over the standouts we could target at #32nd overall. A guard at that draft position is very plausible. Depending on free agency and what Fitz does at the end of the season; A WR is also a possibility. CB you never have enough of G we have to look ahead WR. All depends on Fitz, Isabella, Kirk and Johnson C CENTER Gaillard may be the guy or Cole Here is the caveat: Creed Humphrey Center for Oklahoma is coming out for the draft. He is very good Humphrey was Kyler's Center at Oklahoma. #32 may be too low for him or maybe not. I know they are fond of each other. Breaking News: Humphrey had to be helped off the field vs Kansas State www.oudaily.com/sports/ou-football-center-creed-humphrey-helped-off-field-in-sooners-vs-kansas-state/article_6ed71dd4-0021-11eb-a53a-6734363e8eb8.html
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Post by CardsFanQC on Sept 27, 2020 7:43:56 GMT -7
The top 2 positions of need for this team are (due to aging vets on roster):
1) CB - Potential Top 50 picks - Luckily for the Cards CB will probably be a position with depth for the 2021 draft
- Patrick Surtain CB, Alabama
- Shaun Wade CB, Ohio State
- Derek Stingley Jr, CB - LSU (opted into draft yesterday and was FANTASTIC as a freshman last yr)
- Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford
- Caleb Farley, CB Va Tech
- Jaycee Horn CB, South Carolilna
- Israel Mukuamu, CB South Carolina
- Kary Vincent CB, LSU
- Tyson Campbell CB, Georgia
- Asante Samuel CB, Florida State
2) 3-4 Rush LB - Greg Rousseau of Miami is probably the best and this position is NOT very deep.
Not worried about WR as the Cards will be able to attract FA WR in the future due to having KM at QB and KK as coach .... Hopkins also has a lot of influence in the NFL to the other players and he will help recruit FA WR's.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 27, 2020 13:50:34 GMT -7
All right guys I'm bringing the dead horse back to life. In my humble opinion the top two priority needs for our Cardinals AR cornerback and offensive lineman. Especially if it appears that Patrick Peterson has slowed down a step. The Cardinals have won their first two games by depending upon Kyler Murray running way too much. Sooner or later he is going to be injured. This is assuming that Larry retires and Christian Kirk is still on the team next year. In any event my first two picks would be corner and Tackle. I would also look to add a guard in the fourth or fifth round. Well, Gaillard rated well last week on PFF analytics, and we don't know what the rookie tackle we signed can do. I'm more concerned about Center than tackle.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 27, 2020 13:53:15 GMT -7
The top 3 WR: 1. Ja'Marr Chase - LSU 2. Rondale Moore - Purdue 3. Devonta Smith - Bama I can see that you are not hot on Rashod Bateman. www.profootballnetwork.com/finding-a-rashod-bateman-comp-in-the-nfl/He's not a burner, but he has good height and it would seem he could catch a bar of soap. - Maybe not a WR1, but I feel that he would be a great 'go to' target for Kyler and thus he would make an excellent WR2 opposite Hopkins. - Worth our first round pick though? We need a burner to balance out Hopkins. I'm also assuming Fitz comes back. If Isabella pans out, great. But I'd like a second burner. Waddle from Bama is the best in terms of speed/hands mix. If you watch the link I posted, he runs step for step with Henry Ruggs in the 40s. I'd be happy with the top-3 i mentioned, but I actually think Waddle could sneak into the top-3 the way Ruggs did last year.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 27, 2020 13:55:34 GMT -7
The top 2 positions of need for this team are (due to aging vets on roster):
1) CB - Potential Top 50 picks - Luckily for the Cards CB will probably be a position with depth for the 2021 draft
- Patrick Surtain CB, Alabama
- Shaun Wade CB, Ohio State
- Derek Stingley Jr, CB - LSU (opted into draft yesterday and was FANTASTIC as a freshman last yr)
- Paulson Adebo, CB, Stanford
- Caleb Farley, CB Va Tech
- Jaycee Horn CB, South Carolilna
- Israel Mukuamu, CB South Carolina
- Kary Vincent CB, LSU
- Tyson Campbell CB, Georgia
- Asante Samuel CB, Florida State
2) 3-4 Rush LB - Greg Rousseau of Miami is probably the best and this position is NOT very deep.
Not worried about WR as the Cards will be able to attract FA WR in the future due to having KM at QB and KK as coach .... Hopkins also has a lot of influence in the NFL to the other players and he will help recruit FA WR's.
I'm going to assume Riddick plays well and we resign him to a friendly contract. Even if he doesn't, I can't see us spending another high round pick at LB until we know what Simmons can do. And we have to give him 2 years - at least.
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Post by devongent on Oct 2, 2020 11:44:54 GMT -7
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