rdo3
Starter
Warning
Posts: 324
|
Post by rdo3 on Aug 1, 2018 14:12:56 GMT -7
if dj could play receiver he would. they average about 4 mill a year more than running backs. dj isn't a good receiver, he goes against linebackers not safeties and corners who would eat his munch, and with a short passing game of dink and dunk they aren't going to be lured far down field from him. they are a lot faster than linebackers and will stip the ball more than try to crush him. look for his fumbles to go up and his yards to go down. he's gonna have to earn his money running the ball and he's not going to surprise people anymore. they are going to be waiting for him and game planning for him. the element of surprise is gone.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dry Heat on Aug 1, 2018 22:22:35 GMT -7
All the analysts forget D Johnson is our #2 receiver, who when healthy was the #17 receiver by yardage in the NFL, including all WRs, TEs and RBs. I disagree. Thats very wormy to try to say "our RB is a good receiver, therefore we have a strong WRs room". Our RB is our RB, and our WRs are our WRs. This list is about the WRs. David isnt a WR. Keim/Cards have done a terrible job developing a WR corps, and should get rightly ripped for it. I didn’t say we have a good receiving room. Just pointing out we have a strength no other team has in a receiving weapon from another position, which allieves some of the issues of the receivers. No RB came close to DJ as a receiver when he was healthy. I’m looking bigger picture. |
|
|
|
Post by CardsFanQC on Aug 2, 2018 7:13:29 GMT -7
I disagree. Thats very wormy to try to say "our RB is a good receiver, therefore we have a strong WRs room". Our RB is our RB, and our WRs are our WRs. This list is about the WRs. David isnt a WR. Keim/Cards have done a terrible job developing a WR corps, and should get rightly ripped for it. I didn’t say we have a good receiving room. Just pointing out we have a strength no other team has in a receiving weapon from another position, which allieves some of the issues of the receivers. No RB came close to DJ as a receiver when he was healthy. I’m looking bigger picture. |
|
|
|
Post by CardsFanQC on Aug 2, 2018 7:18:45 GMT -7
IMO a key to this offense with use of screen passes and plays for DJ is productivity from the TE position. IF ... Ricky Seals Jones is an emerging star then our receiving corp will be fine. Fitz - DJ - RSJ and sprinkling in production of Butler/Kirk/Williams/JJ Nelson along with improved running game means this offense will be fine. Everything coming out of camp including observations from Dave Pasch is the OL is going to be much better. I really, really hope the Seals-Jones becomes the best UDFA of 2017 and not just where he shows flashes --DJ's threat as a receiver with screens and balls to the flat should move LB's leaving "seam" passes to the TE wide ope
|
|
|
|
Post by Zaz on Aug 2, 2018 8:43:16 GMT -7
I disagree. Thats very wormy to try to say "our RB is a good receiver, therefore we have a strong WRs room". Our RB is our RB, and our WRs are our WRs. This list is about the WRs. David isnt a WR. Keim/Cards have done a terrible job developing a WR corps, and should get rightly ripped for it. I didn’t say we have a good receiving room. Just pointing out we have a strength no other team has in a receiving weapon from another position, which allieves some of the issues of the receivers. No RB came close to DJ as a receiver when he was healthy. I’m looking bigger picture. As someone else already noted, David is a good receiver for a RB. Hes going up against LBs he cant possibly run with him. But if he were covered by a CB, hed be wiped out in coverage. To claim we have good WRs because the RB can catch is like saying Seattle has a good OL because Russ throws alot of TDs. In reality, Russ is running for his life. They have a garbage OL. We have garbage WRs and just because the RB can catch doesnt mean we should ignore developing the WR room. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 2, 2018 9:40:54 GMT -7
Not True at all. I think you've forgotten how good a receiver David is.
Are you having short term memory loss? Peppermint tea will help with that.
Otherwise your current inaccurate assessment of david's receiving skills was proven in 2015 and 2016 to be all wet. He has not lost any of those skills.
|
|
|
|
Post by Dry Heat on Aug 2, 2018 11:42:48 GMT -7
I didn’t say we have a good receiving room. Just pointing out we have a strength no other team has in a receiving weapon from another position, which allieves some of the issues of the receivers. No RB came close to DJ as a receiver when he was healthy. I’m looking bigger picture. As someone else already noted, David is a good receiver for a RB. Hes going up against LBs he cant possibly run with him. But if he were covered by a CB, hed be wiped out in coverage. To claim we have good WRs because the RB can catch is like saying Seattle has a good OL because Russ throws alot of TDs. In reality, Russ is running for his life. They have a garbage OL. We have garbage WRs and just because the RB can catch doesnt mean we should ignore developing the WR room. Again, I’m not saying we have a good WR room, just that in the bigger picture we have receiving options. How many ways would you like me to say it? |
|
|
|
Post by bigangelg on Aug 2, 2018 12:43:10 GMT -7
I responded to a similar post years ago. I'll add the same response here...
When you are at the bottom....you can only go up!
|
|
|
|
Post by Zaz on Aug 2, 2018 14:02:03 GMT -7
As someone else already noted, David is a good receiver for a RB. Hes going up against LBs he cant possibly run with him. But if he were covered by a CB, hed be wiped out in coverage. To claim we have good WRs because the RB can catch is like saying Seattle has a good OL because Russ throws alot of TDs. In reality, Russ is running for his life. They have a garbage OL. We have garbage WRs and just because the RB can catch doesnt mean we should ignore developing the WR room. Again, I’m not saying we have a good WR room, just that in the bigger picture we have receiving options. How many ways would you like me to say it? I understand what you said. Im saying: to say we have good receiving options because our RB can catch only hurts our team. Big picture. Because it creates complacency. "We dont need to draft a WR because our RB is a WR!". Eventually we will have zero WR weapons, and teams will put a CB on David and shut him down. Zero passing weapons. Big picture. Yes, David can catch which is awesome. Which is why we should prioritize building up a better WR group. Better WRs frees up David. |
|
|
|
Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Aug 3, 2018 4:55:17 GMT -7
Does anyone know when Fitz’s contract ends? I think if he comes back he will sign for a lot less $. Give the team a homer deal..
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
Posts: 0
|
Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2018 11:31:58 GMT -7
|
|
biggs
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1,076
|
Post by biggs on Aug 9, 2018 9:35:02 GMT -7
We don't have just a bad WR group we have a below average TE group. A really good TE has to be accounted for by the same guys on D that have to account for DJ. We don't have either a really good TE group or WR group. DJ doesn't offset both. He is taking catches that might well be going to a prototype NFL TE. He's a great weapon but with an aging LF we desperately need another TE/WR to step up that D's have to account for in the passing game. DJ helps our passing game but our passing game as a group is below average until someone else proves otherwise.
|
|
|
|
Post by Zaz on Aug 9, 2018 9:48:10 GMT -7
We don't have just a bad WR group we have a below average TE group. A really good TE has to be accounted for by the same guys on D that have to account for DJ. We don't have either a really good TE group or WR group. DJ doesn't offset both. He is taking catches that might well be going to a prototype NFL TE. He's a great weapon but with an aging LF we desperately need another TE/WR to step up that D's have to account for in the passing game. DJ helps our passing game but our passing game as a group is below average until someone else proves otherwise. Just to put things on an even keel, theres few teams who have good TE's. Thats just a rare star position in the NFL. Gronk, Kelce, Olsen and ertz are top tier pro-bowl guys. Theres only 4. Then theres guys with talent: Jordan Reed, Rudolph, Graham who could be top tier, but cant stay healthy. (Gronk could be in this category for health too) Then theres another big drop off to young guys with talent, but havent proven it: OJ Howard, Engram, Njoku then theres everyone else. Role players. Busts. Etc. So on the whole, theres ~4 elite TEs in the NFL and then ~ 3 Good TEs. Then everybody else sucks. So dont feel bad that AZ doesnt have TEs. Nobody else does either. I think Seals has the potential to be a 2nd tier guy, which would be huge. |
|
biggs
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1,076
|
Post by biggs on Aug 9, 2018 10:02:59 GMT -7
We don't have just a bad WR group we have a below average TE group. A really good TE has to be accounted for by the same guys on D that have to account for DJ. We don't have either a really good TE group or WR group. DJ doesn't offset both. He is taking catches that might well be going to a prototype NFL TE. He's a great weapon but with an aging LF we desperately need another TE/WR to step up that D's have to account for in the passing game. DJ helps our passing game but our passing game as a group is below average until someone else proves otherwise. Just to put things on an even keel, theres few teams who have good TE's. Thats just a rare star position in the NFL. Gronk, Kelce, Olsen and ertz are top tier pro-bowl guys. Theres only 4. Then theres guys with talent: Jordan Reed, Rudolph, Graham who could be top tier, but cant stay healthy. (Gronk could be in this category for health too) Then theres another big drop off to young guys with talent, but havent proven it: OJ Howard, Engram, Njoku then theres everyone else. Role players. Busts. Etc. So on the whole, theres ~4 elite TEs in the NFL and then ~ 3 Good TEs. Then everybody else sucks. So dont feel bad that AZ doesnt have TEs. Nobody else does either. I think Seals has the potential to be a 2nd tier guy, which would be huge. It's not an even keel. The mid point in TE catches was Brate for Tampa Bay with 48 receptions for 598 yards. Gresham had 33 for 322 yards. That's significant. Seals needs to step up big. There's a difference between elite and none existent. |
|
|
|
Post by Zaz on Aug 9, 2018 10:47:32 GMT -7
Just to put things on an even keel, theres few teams who have good TE's. Thats just a rare star position in the NFL. Gronk, Kelce, Olsen and ertz are top tier pro-bowl guys. Theres only 4. Then theres guys with talent: Jordan Reed, Rudolph, Graham who could be top tier, but cant stay healthy. (Gronk could be in this category for health too) Then theres another big drop off to young guys with talent, but havent proven it: OJ Howard, Engram, Njoku then theres everyone else. Role players. Busts. Etc. So on the whole, theres ~4 elite TEs in the NFL and then ~ 3 Good TEs. Then everybody else sucks. So dont feel bad that AZ doesnt have TEs. Nobody else does either. I think Seals has the potential to be a 2nd tier guy, which would be huge. It's not an even keel. The mid point in TE catches was Brate for Tampa Bay with 48 receptions for 598 yards. Gresham had 33 for 322 yards. That's significant. Seals needs to step up big. There's a difference between elite and none existent. I dont know what youre telling me for. I know. Ive been lamenting AZ's lack of TE's forever. Consider that we have a new HC. New OC. Mike Mccoy was SD's HC in 2014, in which case they utilized Antonio Gates for 850 yards and 12 TDs. BA hated TEs. Hes gone now. Lets see what Mccoy does with this group. |
|
