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Post by Zaz on Jul 31, 2018 16:48:40 GMT -7
Cant argue, we are terrible www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-nfl-receiving-corps-rankings-all-32-teams-entering-2018That begs the discussion: how did this happen? At one point we have 3 1,000 yard receivers on this squad at the same time. A rare feat. Fitz, Q and Steve Breaston. Then later we had Early Doucet who I always thought was a good player. There was Andre Roberts, who is Fitz best friend to this day. They still golf in Scottland every summer together. Good player. Solid #3. Then there was Mike Floyd, who was suppose to be the heir. He wasnt. Flat out bust. Then there was John Brown who flashed immense talent, but that quickly crumbled for health reasons. Then there was Chad Williams, who was a relatively high pick in the 3rd round. Jury is still out, but its not looking good. How did easily the #1 WR team in the NFL (Fitz/Q/Steve) become #31  ? I never thought Id say this: give Graves credit for building that WR room. I think the cause is clear: Not drafting WRs early. Being overly dependent on Fitz (as in, " Its OK, we have Fitz, we can surround him with trash"). And just flat out busting on WR picks. |
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 31, 2018 17:24:42 GMT -7
Yea, there is that problem. We need to somehow use what we got.. and find a #2 in that room. Some one will emerge, just need to stay healthy, both ol and dL. I think the club will have a good year. There has been a blood transfusion, with the new staff. The players play (as you say), but the energy and vision comes from the staff.. I predict there is going to be a high turnover on this team.
where is Dez? You never know.
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Post by r1ppedcardfan on Jul 31, 2018 18:16:01 GMT -7
I expect our wr's to be much better this season. Nobody could catch last season besides Larry. We got Kirk and I expect Butler to be an upgrade as well.
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 31, 2018 19:10:47 GMT -7
All the analysts forget D Johnson is our #2 receiver, who when healthy was the #17 receiver by yardage in the NFL, including all WRs, TEs and RBs.
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Post by rdo3 on Jul 31, 2018 20:03:04 GMT -7
easy. they way over paid fitz leaving no money for boldin and breaston. fitz is #7 highest paid nfl player of all time. what did the fitz contract buy us? #31. it would have been better for the team if they hadn't given fitz that huge contract and had kept boldin and breaston. the cards would be a better team today if they had played hardball and told fitz tto take a walk and be some other teams problem. every dollar he is over paid comes out of his team mates pockets leaving his teammates the only option of going elsewhere to get paid. and giving dj a huge contract would repeat the problem.
they should have fired fitz years ago and took the one year cap hit. we could have spread that money around and had a much better team. when you only pay one tehn you can only have one, one who will whine he gets double and triple covered (what are opposing teams supposed to do with their defenders with nobody to cover, make them play poker on the field so fitz can get 1 on 1 coverage) or that he cant throw himself the ball despite the fact he demanded more money than 95% of HOF quarterbacks. when you get paid enough to throw yourself the ball you cant use it as an excuse.
and graves is to blame, he gave fitz the contract that doomed the cards. what happened? fitz happened.
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Post by thomas cat on Jul 31, 2018 20:12:56 GMT -7
Its hard to argue with those rankings.
My main optimism here would be we have several promising WR's. Agreed almost none have proven abilities thus the low rankings.
Call me a homer if you will, but I'm betting one or two of these guys just need a chance.
Obliviously I could be wrong, but I choose to be hopeful.
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Post by CardCore on Jul 31, 2018 22:49:39 GMT -7
All the analysts forget D Johnson is our #2 receiver, who when healthy was the #17 receiver by yardage in the NFL, including all WRs, TEs and RBs. Yep. Thanks for reminding people of that. Also, if Chase Edmonds can run routes and catch passes like DJ, it's not a big deal to be ranked low on the WR totem pole. |
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Post by NorthernSoul on Aug 1, 2018 2:03:32 GMT -7
I also lay part of the blame on the guy some people claim is the best coach the Cards have ever had. Along with Keim of course.
As big a Whiz homer as I am, I've never been more angry about a pick than when the cards took Floyd with DeCastro, a glaring need and a whole lot better player, still on the board.
Further mitigation is, the Cards have gone into the last few drafts (before this year), thinking they were in with a chance of another Superbowl. So there were different priorities that meant they took their eyes off the WR position. Palmer hid a lot of their short comings, because he was so accurate. And so the FO focused on other areas of need to try (and ultimately fail terribly) to get some post season success.
Keim's poor draft planning meant too much emphasis went on one year contract players. So the team didn't build properly through the draft. One post season win, with what BASK had is not good enough (and in no way makes BA the best coach the Cards have had). There have been plenty of chances to improve the guys alongside Fitz, but Floyd, the two Browns and Nelson, gave the FO a false security blanket. So the position lost out IMO when it came to draft day decisions.
Of course, the WR's haven't been helped out by another area of failure from BASK. The Tight End position. But that's for another grumble :-)
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 6:42:57 GMT -7
I also lay part of the blame on the guy some people claim is the best coach the Cards have ever had. Along with Keim of course. As big a Whiz homer as I am, I've never been more angry about a pick than when the cards took Floyd with DeCastro, a glaring need and a whole lot better player, still on the board. Further mitigation is, the Cards have gone into the last few drafts (before this year), thinking they were in with a chance of another Superbowl. So there were different priorities that meant they took their eyes off the WR position. Palmer hid a lot of their short comings, because he was so accurate. And so the FO focused on other areas of need to try (and ultimately fail terribly) to get some post season success. Keim's poor draft planning meant too much emphasis went on one year contract players. So the team didn't build properly through the draft. One post season win, with what BASK had is not good enough (and in no way makes BA the best coach the Cards have had). There have been plenty of chances to improve the guys alongside Fitz, but Floyd, the two Browns and Nelson, gave the FO a false security blanket. So the position lost out IMO when it came to draft day decisions. Of course, the WR's haven't been helped out by another area of failure from BASK. The Tight End position. But that's for another grumble :-) Old gripes are like rashes aren't they. Can't help but scratch them when you know you shouldn't.  |
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Post by NorthernSoul on Aug 1, 2018 7:14:43 GMT -7
I also lay part of the blame on the guy some people claim is the best coach the Cards have ever had. Along with Keim of course. As big a Whiz homer as I am, I've never been more angry about a pick than when the cards took Floyd with DeCastro, a glaring need and a whole lot better player, still on the board. Further mitigation is, the Cards have gone into the last few drafts (before this year), thinking they were in with a chance of another Superbowl. So there were different priorities that meant they took their eyes off the WR position. Palmer hid a lot of their short comings, because he was so accurate. And so the FO focused on other areas of need to try (and ultimately fail terribly) to get some post season success. Keim's poor draft planning meant too much emphasis went on one year contract players. So the team didn't build properly through the draft. One post season win, with what BASK had is not good enough (and in no way makes BA the best coach the Cards have had). There have been plenty of chances to improve the guys alongside Fitz, but Floyd, the two Browns and Nelson, gave the FO a false security blanket. So the position lost out IMO when it came to draft day decisions. Of course, the WR's haven't been helped out by another area of failure from BASK. The Tight End position. But that's for another grumble :-) Old gripes are like rashes aren't they. Can't help but scratch them when you know you shouldn't.  My doctor says I have BASK-Floyd Tourette's. Mention The worst draft pick in Phoenix, and the best coach who couldn't win a playoff game, and I get all shouty and sweary. I'm taking one tablet per day to stop me progressing to the Boldin-Whine version. Nobody wants to be a whiny arsed Boldin, do they :-)
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Post by Zaz on Aug 1, 2018 8:26:09 GMT -7
All the analysts forget D Johnson is our #2 receiver, who when healthy was the #17 receiver by yardage in the NFL, including all WRs, TEs and RBs. I disagree. Thats very wormy to try to say "our RB is a good receiver, therefore we have a strong WRs room". Our RB is our RB, and our WRs are our WRs. This list is about the WRs. David isnt a WR. Keim/Cards have done a terrible job developing a WR corps, and should get rightly ripped for it. |
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Aug 1, 2018 8:42:36 GMT -7
New website, same agenda
We had the number 2 WR corp just 2 years ago from that same website (https://www.profootballfocus.com/news/pro-ranking-all-32-nfl-receiving-corps ), Graves has been gone for years so who exactly built that? What happened to our WR corp is the same thing that happened to the Seattle secondary, people get hurt
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Post by aris on Aug 1, 2018 11:04:34 GMT -7
All the analysts forget D Johnson is our #2 receiver, who when healthy was the #17 receiver by yardage in the NFL, including all WRs, TEs and RBs. But he's not considered in our WR group. A lot of NFL teams have RB's who catch the ball, although not as well as DJ. For the sake of analysis you have to look at our core WR group and it's crap. Fitz is Fitz. Getting older this could very well be it for him. I do expect another good year though. JJ's hands will not get better over time. Cowboys's garbage is likely not to have much of an impact. And a second round rookie who starts off his tenure by making headlines over rocks thrown at cars is very much a question mark. And lets not even get into the TE group which by all measures in the NFL are glorified WR's. Ours are historically awful. This does not make Rosen's job easy when he does get thrust into the role with the latest predictable injury to Bradford. This year it's going to be DJ, DJ, DJ, Fitz, DJ, DJ, other garbage, DJ , Fitz |
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Post by aris on Aug 1, 2018 11:06:05 GMT -7
As big a Whiz homer as I am, I've never been more angry about a pick than when the cards took Floyd with DeCastro, a glaring need and a whole lot better player, still on the board. I was screaming at the tv when we passed on deCastro for the alcoholic. The Saints just signed Floyd too. Perfect to put him in NO. Party time!! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 1, 2018 11:48:26 GMT -7
Old gripes are like rashes aren't they. Can't help but scratch them when you know you shouldn't. My doctor says I have BASK-Floyd Tourette's. Mention The worst draft pick in Phoenix, and the best coach who couldn't win a playoff game, and I get all shouty and sweary. I'm taking one tablet per day to stop me progressing to the Boldin-Whine version. Nobody wants to be a whiny arsed Boldin, do they :-)
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? I never thought Id say this: give Graves credit for building that WR room. 
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