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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 12, 2018 19:42:07 GMT -7
i think it’s 2021 season. That could be a problem. I think it’s going to effect players high round draft picks. When do they get the second contract. Maybe a first rounder only has to stay 4 years. I think it will bring big changes to the NFL. Even less practice days.. I’m ok with the less hitting thing.. but they do need the time on the practice field.
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 12, 2018 21:12:51 GMT -7
Their big ask is going to be guaranteed contracts. Once they get that, do you think they’ll be playing as hard anyway?
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 12, 2018 21:41:24 GMT -7
Nope, it’ll ruin the game. Why play to win. Just play for the money. I think thier are big changes coming.
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Post by Rimrock on Jul 12, 2018 21:48:51 GMT -7
i hope josh wins us a bowl before it all goes to hell
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Post by In the Cards on Jul 13, 2018 1:54:40 GMT -7
Every action has an equal and opposite reaction. Does the NFLPA want fully guaranteed contracts? Player option opt-out? Less games in a season? Less practice? No hard salary cap? Abandon rookie salary slots? What will they give the owners (and fans) in return?
Fully guaranteed contracts is a heavy position to take, and the logistics are even more difficult. Do existing contracts have to be reworked? If not, how is it fair to players who just signed long term contracts?
The NFL ownership is the one with the nuclear option, not the players. All they have to do is open a 70 round draft in order to fill up the rosters of all 32 teams.
Once again, what do the player's association have to give to the ownership? Perhaps a drastically lower salary cap can be accommodating to fully guaranteed contracts. Maybe the league creates a 20 week season (two more games and a 2nd bye week) to milk their employees more. Less practice time can be possible if they let full pad practices happen year-round. I don't know how the league could reduce the number of games, but it would probably be preferable to fully guaranteed contracts.
However, I'm in favor of only having 2 preseason games. Everyone benefits from it; the players risk injury less and the fans don't have to see pointless games just to see backups suck and starters get hurt. If the owners are worried about their bottom line, they can just charge the same amount for season tickets and renegotiate TV deals.
Getting rid of the hard salary cap might kill professional football as we know it. Small market teams would get killed by the big ones, even with a luxury tax. The players would love it though, they get more money.
Changing rookie contracts is realistically going to change, but I don't know what either side wants. Maybe the NFLPA wants less years of control and the NFL wants to pay 1st rounders less. We'll see.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 13, 2018 5:44:26 GMT -7
Lots of smart people looking for a solution. I think the Cardinals are in a good position. I’m not so sure about some other teams. The dept that some teams carry may be a problem. Dallas, Carolina and a few others. It will be interesting to watch. If the league goes to all guaranteed contracts, there will be a lot more movement of players. If the salary cap disappears, it will end the chances for small market teams. The draft will be expanded in the next few years. The question is what will happen to recent draft classes especially 1st rounders. I haven’t thought to much about which side of the fence I’m on, but changes are coming.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2018 9:19:26 GMT -7
As this may be my last season to watch the Cards each week thru DirecTv NFL Sunday ticket, I'll worry about the new CBA when it comes round. Next year I may be only getting to see them if they make a Nationally televised game. Otherwise the TV market here in Western IL is all about the Bears, with the occasional KC Chiefs game. Maybe Game Pass next season to watch the games "After the fact", if I can afford it. This season is the Last Hurrah for Sunday Ticket for me. 6 monthly payments of $48.99 for a Total of (currently) $293.94/season with rates to go up now that AT&T has bought DirecTv.
Ah yes AT&T the 401k killer when they bought the Cable co. I worked for/retired from. Now they will milk DirecTv and once they have wrung it dry and ruined it, then sell it off for even more $$$.
I don't like AT&T.They stole my 401k like Enron did to it's employees. But AT&T never got caught. Pockets too deep. Connections to high places too deep as well....
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 13, 2018 13:24:33 GMT -7
I think we will end up with 2 preseason games and an 18 game regular season with maybe expanded playoffs. if fully guaranteed contracts is a non negotiable request by players there will be a strike.(surely the owners wont go for that). there will not be a reduction in salary cap. possibly shorter rookie contracts. the players will probably want the ability to protest whatever they want at any time. I see a lot of non qbs holding out as qbs get more of the cap money some guys are gonna have to play for less. it will be interesting to see how packers manage their roster after Rodgers signs his mega contract. one thing for sure-the greed of players and owners will only get worse.
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Post by Zaz on Jul 13, 2018 13:29:52 GMT -7
Their big ask is going to be guaranteed contracts. Once they get that, do you think they’ll be playing as hard anyway? If guaranteed contracts robs players of motivation then why do NBA players play hard? |
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 13, 2018 14:01:36 GMT -7
Their big ask is going to be guaranteed contracts. Once they get that, do you think they’ll be playing as hard anyway? If guaranteed contracts robs players of motivation then why do NBA players play hard? The NBA is awful now. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 13, 2018 15:09:30 GMT -7
If guaranteed contracts robs players of motivation then why do NBA players play hard? The NBA is awful now. How so? |
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Post by Boomer on Jul 13, 2018 15:22:33 GMT -7
If guaranteed contracts robs players of motivation then why do NBA players play hard? The NBA is awful now. How prevalent are injuries in the NBA? I'd bet nowhere near as high as the NFL. Owners shouldn't have to pay guaranteed money to someone that can't play due to injury. Bad analogy to compare the two leagues. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 13, 2018 16:40:45 GMT -7
Zaz can I ask how old you are? Three separate topic posts in a row I’ve read just now make me think you’re on the younger side. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 15, 2018 4:13:04 GMT -7
Their big ask is going to be guaranteed contracts. Once they get that, do you think they’ll be playing as hard anyway? If guaranteed contracts robs players of motivation then why do NBA players play hard? jmho but the nba is awful...only a few teams play hard every night. now that the sixers are relevant again I watch their games-they play hard every night but many players jog up and down and make little effort on defense and that's hard to watch. however, players like LeBron, curry, hardin, and suns Mitchell are fun to watch. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 16, 2018 11:04:31 GMT -7
Zaz can I ask how old you are? Three separate topic posts in a row I’ve read just now make me think you’re on the younger side. Im in my prime Back to the Q. Why is the NBA terrible? Super teams making it uncompetetive I can understand, but that has nothing to do with guaranteed contracts. To say that guaranteed contracts robs players of their competitive motivation is both unfounded, because NBA players do in fact play hard, and also its disrespectful. The majority of pro athletes in the world got there from extreme hard work all their lives. Some do in fact fall off once they get paid, but thats normal. But the majority are respectable, hard working people. Would you say Larry would stop working if he got paid? Of course not. How about David or PP or Chandler or CC or Baker or Rosen (whos already family rich), etc. etc. Guaranteed contracts are not a bad thing. Hard working players will continue to work hard. And Lazy players wont. |
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