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Post by Zaz on Jul 9, 2018 21:56:14 GMT -7
Huh, this is rare. Politics and Cardinals have a direct head-on. Bit of late night drama going on. In summary: Mikey used the official Cards twitter to endorse Trumps SCOTUS pick. People are mad saying its hypocrisy. Players arent allowed to demonstrate politics but Mike can do this. Also this was posted on the Cards website: www.azcardinals.com/news/michael-bidwill-backs-classmate-for-supreme-courtI took a minute to think about this one and I think its valid anger. Although Mike owns the team, he shouldnt treat it like his own personal platform. Left and Right agree on one thing: try to keep politics out of football. So for Mike to use the Official Cards twitter handle to spout his politics is a bad look. Use your personal twitter. Or start a blog. Keep it off the Cards media. Jeez what a crappy week for Cards leadership.  |
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Post by knobby on Jul 9, 2018 23:41:46 GMT -7
Huh, this is rare. Politics and Cardinals have a direct head-on. Bit of late night drama going on. In summary: Mikey used the official Cards twitter to endorse Trumps SCOTUS pick. People are mad saying its hypocrisy. Players arent allowed to demonstrate politics but Mike can do this. Also this was posted on the Cards website: www.azcardinals.com/news/michael-bidwill-backs-classmate-for-supreme-courtI took a minute to think about this one and I think its valid anger. Although Mike owns the team, he shouldnt treat it like his own personal platform. Left and Right agree on one thing: try to keep politics out of football. So for Mike to use the Official Cards twitter handle to spout his politics is a bad look. Use your personal twitter. Or start a blog. Keep it off the Cards media. Jeez what a crappy week for Cards leadership. Generally agree, with reservations: He's an old college friend, and loads of other influential college friends joined forces to promote one of their own for SCOTUS, hoping I suppose to influence the choice. It wasn't just MB. College boys tend to stick together, especially if frat brothers (don't know in this case) or fellow attorneys. It's the same with any group of similarly acquainted people or group of the like minded or common interest gatherings. The old birds of a feather thing. Free speech vs. demonstrating multiple times at games.
At any rate, it's one tweet, not a series or stream of stuff, and MB has not been overtly political otherwise. In politics and "news", some live to find the smallest thing to bitch about in the hope it will aid their personal cause. That goes both ways of course. I say it's silly to get all worked up over it. Nobody died or was injured. And this probably belongs on the "other" forum anyway. . .
Hmmm. Maybe I don't generally agree after all? Maybe just agree about mixing sports and politics in general...
But whatever. I sure wish we had real football to talk about... not DUIs and tweets. That's more like a gossip column.
Hang loose, Zaz.
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Post by toyhunt on Jul 10, 2018 2:03:30 GMT -7
Give it a rest.Great pick for SC. Disrespecting my flag started this bs, where was the same outrage?
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Post by rdo3 on Jul 10, 2018 2:25:24 GMT -7
he's an owner. of corse he is going to like a court that will side with owners over unions. next cba he just made a lot more money.
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Post by End Zone on Jul 10, 2018 2:52:43 GMT -7
I agree with some members that it is questionable judgment for MB to use the Cards media platform to highlight classmates' support for the latest SC pick. Note also that MB and other classmates did not directly endorse a political view, only honored their close friend's good fortune last night. Still, the Cards owner leaves us all wondering about team leadership and decision-making this past 10 days.
MB's decision on SK is still pending (or maybe silence is the decision).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 10, 2018 6:57:03 GMT -7
Huh, this is rare. Politics and Cardinals have a direct head-on. Bit of late night drama going on. In summary: Mikey used the official Cards twitter to endorse Trumps SCOTUS pick. People are mad saying its hypocrisy. Players arent allowed to demonstrate politics but Mike can do this. Also this was posted on the Cards website: www.azcardinals.com/news/michael-bidwill-backs-classmate-for-supreme-courtI took a minute to think about this one and I think its valid anger. Although Mike owns the team, he shouldnt treat it like his own personal platform. Left and Right agree on one thing: try to keep politics out of football. So for Mike to use the Official Cards twitter handle to spout his politics is a bad look. Use your personal twitter. Or start a blog. Keep it off the Cards media. Jeez what a crappy week for Cards leadership. This article is just a character endorsement and voucher. No more no less. Anyone "outraged" over this is just showing their own political bend. Same as those that are not outraged. People get offended for all kinds of reasons, logical or not, specific to themselves and their mind set.
Do you think Darren Urban had his arm twisted to write this article?
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Jul 10, 2018 7:01:55 GMT -7
I agree with some members that it is questionable judgment for MB to use the Cards media platform to highlight classmates' support for the latest SC pick. Note also that MB and other classmates did not directly endorse a political view, only honored their close friend's good fortune last night. Still, the Cards owner leaves us all wondering about team leadership and decision-making this past 10 days. MB's decision on SK is still pending (or maybe silence is the decision). MB could be hoping that the SK situation just blows over. The tweet could be both a congrats to his friend and a distraction. 2 birds 1 stone. I think the the whole separation of politics and football went out the door with the flag protest thing. So if anyone is in favor of the protests, but against the congrats tweet. It feels somewhat hypocritical. If the team announced a breakthrough with DJ’s extension/contract, before they make an announcement re: SK immediate future. Then I would keep my eye out for the broom and rug that is coming. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Jul 10, 2018 7:59:18 GMT -7
Bidwill went to high school with Bret Kavanaugh, remained friends for 37 years, attended his wedding, both became attorneys. He then joined in writing a letter with over 100 classmates, from all political ideologies, to endorse the character of the guy they all knew. Being from D.C., I’m sure many if not most of these people are Democrats. There was nothing about any political issue in the letter he co-signed or in his tweet, just support for the character of an old friend. People need to relax.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 10, 2018 8:05:27 GMT -7
Bidwill went to high school with Bret Kavanaugh, remained friends for 37 years, attended his wedding, both became attorneys. He then joined in writing a letter with over 100 classmates, from all political ideologies, to endorse the character of the guy they all knew. Being from D.C., I’m sure many if not most of these people are Democrats. There was nothing about any political issue in the letter he co-signed or in his tweet, just support for the character of an old friend. People need to relax. Careful DH...facts and reason are not allowed here. This is what being a college graduate is all about, being able to call on your established network of alumnus, past and present, to help support you in times like this. It's awesome as far as I am concerned. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 10, 2018 8:25:26 GMT -7
Huh, this is rare. Politics and Cardinals have a direct head-on. Bit of late night drama going on. In summary: Mikey used the official Cards twitter to endorse Trumps SCOTUS pick. People are mad saying its hypocrisy. Players arent allowed to demonstrate politics but Mike can do this. Also this was posted on the Cards website: www.azcardinals.com/news/michael-bidwill-backs-classmate-for-supreme-courtI took a minute to think about this one and I think its valid anger. Although Mike owns the team, he shouldnt treat it like his own personal platform. Left and Right agree on one thing: try to keep politics out of football. So for Mike to use the Official Cards twitter handle to spout his politics is a bad look. Use your personal twitter. Or start a blog. Keep it off the Cards media. Jeez what a crappy week for Cards leadership. Generally agree, with reservations: He's an old college friend, and loads of other influential college friends joined forces to promote one of their own for SCOTUS, hoping I suppose to influence the choice. It wasn't just MB. College boys tend to stick together, especially if frat brothers (don't know in this case) or fellow attorneys. It's the same with any group of similarly acquainted people or group of the like minded or common interest gatherings. The old birds of a feather thing. Free speech vs. demonstrating multiple times at games.
At any rate, it's one tweet, not a series or stream of stuff, and MB has not been overtly political otherwise. In politics and "news", some live to find the smallest thing to bitch about in the hope it will aid their personal cause. That goes both ways of course. I say it's silly to get all worked up over it. Nobody died or was injured. And this probably belongs on the "other" forum anyway. . .
Hmmm. Maybe I don't generally agree after all? Maybe just agree about mixing sports and politics in general...
But whatever. I sure wish we had real football to talk about... not DUIs and tweets. That's more like a gossip column.
Hang loose, Zaz.
I have no problem with him endorsing his friend. Not in the least. The question is: why on the AZ Cardinals platform? Would it be appropriate for you to send a mass email at your company telling everybody who you endorse for President? Your workplace and your politics are separate, and should be. Hows this any different? Cards are a business. A company. Mike is a civilian. Who he supports politically has no place in the Cards business. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 10, 2018 8:26:07 GMT -7
Bidwill went to high school with Bret Kavanaugh, remained friends for 37 years, attended his wedding, both became attorneys. He then joined in writing a letter with over 100 classmates, from all political ideologies, to endorse the character of the guy they all knew. Being from D.C., I’m sure many if not most of these people are Democrats. There was nothing about any political issue in the letter he co-signed or in his tweet, just support for the character of an old friend. People need to relax. (I have to double post since we dont have multi-quote on this new forum) I have no problem with him endorsing his friend. Not in the least. The question is: why on the AZ Cardinals platform? Would it be appropriate for you to send a mass email at your company telling everybody who you endorse for President? Your workplace and your politics are separate, and should be. Hows this any different? Cards are a business. A company. Mike is a civilian. Who he supports politically has no place in the Cards business. |
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Post by lacardsfan on Jul 10, 2018 10:08:36 GMT -7
I agree with Zaz on this one. Fine you know the guy and like the guy, use your personal account to let the world know. Using the official Cards email is a bad look. And I am one of those that agree with the players taking a knee. I just also know that such action can have consequences, like not being able to be hired again.
Just like the players are now facing consequences for their action I a fear MB might get some on his end.
This with the recent DUI of Keim just does not look good for our leadership. They are the head of an organization and players that rely on unions. This SC pick has sided heavily with companies and against unions. He has a track record that does not align with the best interest of your common professional football player. You have to wonder if Patrick P or any other player is like "well can I use the cardinals twitter page to say that I dislike this pick?" Try to change public opinion with the Arizona Cardinals platform?
My owner wants to crush our union and is using AZ Cards Twitter to express support for it. My GM is doing the exact thing he tells us NOT to do on 4th of July. What a warm and inviting place to play football.
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Post by Native Az on Jul 10, 2018 11:02:27 GMT -7
Well no one is talking about SKs DUI any longer.
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Jul 10, 2018 11:23:23 GMT -7
Bidwill went to high school with Bret Kavanaugh, remained friends for 37 years, attended his wedding, both became attorneys. He then joined in writing a letter with over 100 classmates, from all political ideologies, to endorse the character of the guy they all knew. Being from D.C., I’m sure many if not most of these people are Democrats. There was nothing about any political issue in the letter he co-signed or in his tweet, just support for the character of an old friend. People need to relax. (I have to double post since we dont have multi-quote on this new forum) I have no problem with him endorsing his friend. Not in the least. The question is: why on the AZ Cardinals platform? Would it be appropriate for you to send a mass email at your company telling everybody who you endorse for President? Your workplace and your politics are separate, and should be. Hows this any different? Cards are a business. A company. Mike is a civilian. Who he supports politically has no place in the Cards business. Zaz, I read your last statement and IMO you just made a case why the players should not be protesting at games. The NFL is a business. Owners and teams are a business. The players are employees and games are their workplace. They should keep there politics and protest away from the game. |
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Post by Zaz on Jul 10, 2018 11:45:35 GMT -7
(I have to double post since we dont have multi-quote on this new forum) I have no problem with him endorsing his friend. Not in the least. The question is: why on the AZ Cardinals platform? Would it be appropriate for you to send a mass email at your company telling everybody who you endorse for President? Your workplace and your politics are separate, and should be. Hows this any different? Cards are a business. A company. Mike is a civilian. Who he supports politically has no place in the Cards business. Zaz, I read your last statement and IMO you just made a case why the players should not be protesting at games. The NFL is a business. Owners and teams are a business. The players are employees and games are their workplace. They should keep there politics and protest away from the game. Hey thats fine, agreed. but your counter argument is "well since the players are doing it, then its OK for Mike to do it". No, its not OK. Both sides are wrong. If we both agree they should keep politics out of football, then my original statement stands: Mike is wrong for using the Cards media to announce his SCOTUS endorsement. 2 wrongs dont make a right. and moreover how are the owners ever going to stop players from being political if Mike himself is being political? Hes feeding the problem. |
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