melgray85
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Post by melgray85 on Dec 9, 2024 19:03:36 GMT -7
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Post by knobby on Dec 9, 2024 22:56:09 GMT -7
Some might say the thread title should be in the past tense. (Stuck) Just sayin'...
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Post by devongent on Dec 10, 2024 1:32:27 GMT -7
The knot is tied between Gannon and Murray. - This tandem will be back together in 2025 (realistically there is no choice).
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Post by devongent on Dec 10, 2024 1:34:16 GMT -7
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 10, 2024 5:32:00 GMT -7
The knot is tied between Gannon and Murray. - This tandem will be back together in 2025 (realistically there is no choice). You hit nail on head however for 2026, Kyler's contract is much easier to get out of without a severe cap hit. Cards have plenty of cap space and KM1 needs to feel some pressure to his QB1 position on team. I am hoping Monti signs either Justin Fields or Daniel Jones for a backup QB position in 2025 with the opportunity to be the starting QB in 2026. Kyler needs to feel pressure by bringing in a QB which has started many games for an NFL team. I am still researching on college QB's and some of them have had their draft stock drop in the latter half of the college football season (e.g. QB Beck - Georgia and QB Nussmeier (LSU) - the latter had his team lose 3 games in a row where he underperformed) On the other hand, a QB that IMO improved greatly over the 2024 college season and is far more athletic than observers would think and at 6'4" 220 lbs fits the stature of what NFL QB's should be -- his name is an intriguing one: Riley Leonard of Notre Dame. He fits one of Bill Parcells rules for drafting QB's - do they have over 25-30 starts ... Leonard when he plays IU will be starting his 40th college football game. I look forward to seeing how some of these QB's play in the College Football playoffs and bowl games. One thing watching NFL games is it is VERY helpful if your QB is big enough to get a team first downs on key 3rd or 4th downs with the "tush-push." I don't like this play and thought they would vote it out of football but going forward this does NOT appear to be happening so bigger, stronger QB's are very advantageous to winning NFL games. P.S. I should add that I am VERY interested in watching IU vs. Notre Dame and Riley Leonard vs. my "sleeper" draftee third-day QB in Kurtis Rourke who is very adept at running a pro-style offense and now his busted thumb on throwing hand will be completely healed. Rourke is 6'5" and 230 lbs. and please note the following: Rourke is the highest-rated passer in the FBS per Pro Football Focus (92.3) and owns the second-best passing efficiency (182.7) in the nation. He ranks No. 2 in the Big Ten and No. 12 in FBS with 21 passing touchdowns (AI search with a date of 11/13/24) My addition - he has thrown just 4 INT's in all of 2024 despite playing several games with a bad thumb on his throwing hand. I just found this article today from the33rd team and Rourke is mentioned in 2 categories of QB play amongst all college QB's (I wrote the above before seeing this article but see video where he is TB-like in subtle movements in pocket to avoid rush and allowing more time until his target breaks open): QB 2025 potential draftees and their Skills
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Post by devongent on Dec 10, 2024 10:13:19 GMT -7
I am hoping Monti signs either Justin Fields or Daniel Jones for a backup QB position in 2025 with the opportunity to be the starting QB in 2026. &n bsp;Kyler needs to feel pressure by bringing in a QB which has started many games for an NFL team.Justin Fields is someone the FO should run the rule over. I believe he is a Free Agent after the 2024 season and his salary terms will not be prohibitive. I wonder what peoples thoughts are on him (to fit your stated criteria in bold). Regarding the Draft in 2025 I cannot give a strong opinion on any player at the moment. Someone like Kurtis Rourke, who is widely seen as a back-up option in the NFL, would make sense in the middle rounds. We could draft him/ someone of his ilk and then 'sit & develop' him. - This would be a sound strategy and particularly so should the FO have confidence with the progress of Clayton Tune.
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Post by belac44 on Dec 10, 2024 11:13:05 GMT -7
I am hoping Monti signs either Justin Fields or Daniel Jones for a backup QB position in 2025 with the opportunity to be the starting QB in 2026. &n bsp;Kyler needs to feel pressure by bringing in a QB which has started many games for an NFL team.Justin Fields is someone the FO should run the rule over. I believe he is a Free Agent after the 2024 season and his salary terms will not be prohibitive. I wonder what peoples thoughts are on him (to fit your stated criteria in bold). Regarding the Draft in 2025 I cannot give a strong opinion on any player at the moment. Someone like Kurtis Rourke, who is widely seen as a back-up option in the NFL, would make sense in the middle rounds. We could draft him/ someone of his ilk and then 'sit & develop' him. - This would be a sound strategy and particularly so should the FO have confidence with the progress of Clayton Tune. I would take Fields as back up all day long. Will be a matter of if he thinks he can get a starting job elsewhere.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Dec 10, 2024 18:50:24 GMT -7
I think this forum is more aligned than we think. I think most of us want to replace Kyker and realize if a better option is available, we should pursue him. Where we disagree is how much of the blame you attribute to Kyler. As much as I would like to replace him, I can also acknowledge he is a scapegoat at times. The concern I have is by solely blaming Kyler, we fail to recognize the other areas of weakness on the team.
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 10, 2024 19:00:50 GMT -7
I think this forum is more aligned than we think. I think most of us want to replace Kyker and realize if a better option is available, we should pursue him. Where we disagree is how much of the blame you attribute to Kyler. As much as I would like to replace him, I can also acknowledge he is a scapegoat at times. The concern I have is by solely blaming Kyler, we fail to recognize the other areas of weakness on the team.
IMO we are automatically a better team if we replaced Kyler with maybe 5-7 different Qbs at most, and none are available. And rookies are a crap shoot. Sometimes even #1 picks aren’t Tom Brady. 😎
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Post by knobby on Dec 10, 2024 19:08:26 GMT -7
The knot is tied between Gannon and Murray. - This tandem will be back together in 2025 (realistically there is no choice). The knot was tied between Kingsbury and Murray, too - but it eventually came apart. However, logic says you are correct. Is logic to be trusted?
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Post by CardSunsCard on Dec 10, 2024 19:49:50 GMT -7
I think this forum is more aligned than we think. I think most of us want to replace Kyker and realize if a better option is available, we should pursue him. Where we disagree is how much of the blame you attribute to Kyler. As much as I would like to replace him, I can also acknowledge he is a scapegoat at times. The concern I have is by solely blaming Kyler, we fail to recognize the other areas of weakness on the team.
IMO we are automatically a better team if we replaced Kyler with maybe 5-7 different Qbs at most, and none are available. And rookies are a crap shoot. Sometimes even #1 picks aren’t Tom Brady. 😎 Depends on how you define better. The wins above replacement score might not improve, but if someone else can put up the same performance, much cheaper, then net-net we are better even if the person isn't more talented. It's all about how close the two comparisons are talent wise, and the cost differential. If someone else can perform within 2% of Kyler's results, but it saves us 50%, then our overall record likely improves because of what the savings would buy us elsewhere. That was always the issue with Kyler's monster contract. It hamstrung us adding talent elsewhere and it took years to clean up cap to create more space. Now that we have a lot of space, we could see vast improvements just by adding talent elsewhere and finding a game manager. Let's face it, Kyler's been more of a game manager this year, even when he's not turning the ball over. Monster contracts for QBs make no sense unless you know you've got a Mahomes type guy under center.
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 10, 2024 21:36:54 GMT -7
IMO we are automatically a better team if we replaced Kyler with maybe 5-7 different Qbs at most, and none are available. And rookies are a crap shoot. Sometimes even #1 picks aren’t Tom Brady. 😎 Depends on how you define better. The wins above replacement score might not improve, but if someone else can put up the same performance, much cheaper, then net-net we are better even if the person isn't more talented. It's all about how close the two comparisons are talent wise, and the cost differential. If someone else can perform within 2% of Kyler's results, but it saves us 50%, then our overall record likely improves because of what the savings would buy us elsewhere. That was always the issue with Kyler's monster contract. It hamstrung us adding talent elsewhere and it took years to clean up cap to create more space. Now that we have a lot of space, we could see vast improvements just by adding talent elsewhere and finding a game manager. Let's face it, Kyler's been more of a game manager this year, even when he's not turning the ball over. Monster contracts for QBs make no sense unless you know you've got a Mahomes type guy under center. I’m saying with the reality of the dead cap in Kyler’s 2025 contract, there are no 50% savings to be had. Point is, there have not been a ton of great QBs in the NFL for a few years. Anyone wanting to move on from Kyler and the reality of his contract should at least be made to name the realistic replacement, factor in the dead cap hit that would occur with a cut or trade, and then argue why it would still be a good idea. My opinion is there are no realistic options on the existing rosters of NFL teams worth moving on from Kyler, in the context of his contract, until after 2025. Once folks realize this we can focus talk on how to build a stronger roster and organization for whomever is at QB in 2025, 2026 and 2027 when this rebuild will be in its critical years 3-5.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 11, 2024 3:56:37 GMT -7
To Do List for Monti after this season unless the Cards go 4-0 or 3-1 with the latter being a close loss to Rams but the offense scoring 28+ points - Fire Petzing and think about bringing in Vikings QB coach and former Cardinal Josh McCown who has helped develop Sam Darnold this year
- Sign Justin Fields with the idea of pushing KM1 but also seeing how he picks up the offense to possibly be the QB1 in 2026 if Kyler repeats these 2nd half collapses in performance again. At least we know Fields at 6'3" 227 lbs can get a yard with the "tush-push" to get 1 yd on critical 3rd and 4th downs.
- Fire WR coach and bring someone in who can get MHJ much closer to his ceiling as a player. A coach who can light a fire with him as this is the NFL and he needs to be much more of an alpha or did growing up with $$ develop a "soft" side of the player. Everything says he works hard so I just think it is a mentality between the ears which needs to be developed. Of course, he possibly might hate the Drew Petzing offense but I don't understand the lack of separation.
- JV keeps hinting on his podcast that Monti inquired about Micah Parsons with Cowboys before the trade deadline. He has intimated Monti would trade two (2) high draft picks for getting Parsons and the Cards have plenty of cap space to comfortably sign Parsons and Fields with the latter on a 1 yr deal.
- Draft DL, CB and OL with first 3 draft picks.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Dec 11, 2024 6:50:05 GMT -7
Depends on how you define better. The wins above replacement score might not improve, but if someone else can put up the same performance, much cheaper, then net-net we are better even if the person isn't more talented. It's all about how close the two comparisons are talent wise, and the cost differential. If someone else can perform within 2% of Kyler's results, but it saves us 50%, then our overall record likely improves because of what the savings would buy us elsewhere. That was always the issue with Kyler's monster contract. It hamstrung us adding talent elsewhere and it took years to clean up cap to create more space. Now that we have a lot of space, we could see vast improvements just by adding talent elsewhere and finding a game manager. Let's face it, Kyler's been more of a game manager this year, even when he's not turning the ball over. Monster contracts for QBs make no sense unless you know you've got a Mahomes type guy under center. I’m saying with the reality of the dead cap in Kyler’s 2025 contract, there are no 50% savings to be had. Point is, there have not been a ton of great QBs in the NFL for a few years. Anyone wanting to move on from Kyler and the reality of his contract should at least be made to name the realistic replacement, factor in the dead cap hit that would occur with a cut or trade, and then argue why it would still be a good idea. My opinion is there are no realistic options on the existing rosters of NFL teams worth moving on from Kyler, in the context of his contract, until after 2025. Once folks realize this we can focus talk on how to build a stronger roster and organization for whomever is at QB in 2025, 2026 and 2027 when this rebuild will be in its critical years 3-5. Did you think last year produced a great class? I think it could end up being really solid. I think QB play is down because we had multiple top QBs retire the last few years, mainstays like Brady. When you look at the other older guys with pedigree, like Rogers, most just can't cut it anymore. So Kyler looks better in relation to the league average because the rookies this year, are performing well, yet can't be expected to outplay Kyler. Not in year one. By next year, I'd expect to see Kyler much further down the list because some of those rookies are jumping above him. When you do look at the vets near Kyler's age, several dealt with injuries like Tua. So to me, it looks like Kyler has easy comparisons this year. His turnovers might be better than years past, but his yardage isn't exactly impressive, and he's got a much better supporting cast on offense than he's had in quite some time. He might not have DHOP, but he's got more offensive threats than he used to. Wilson, McBride and Connor aren't slouches. I didn't cite MHJ because he's got his head stuck up his.... I think Colt McCoy would have an identical record playing with our current cast. IMO.
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ricardo
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Post by ricardo on Dec 11, 2024 7:53:09 GMT -7
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