Vesely22
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Post by Vesely22 on Dec 6, 2024 11:41:54 GMT -7
I think many expected the Cardinals to be around .500 this year. What was not expected is the rest of the division to also be there. Exactly! Here they all are in the throes of mediocrity! Maybe if Kyler goes to sleep every night listening to a clear calm voice repeating, "It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. You can only control what YOU can control." OK....Lol...I'm not a psychologist.  Dr End Zone, tell us Kyler spoke these words to you during one of your sessions: "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me." |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Dec 7, 2024 16:39:08 GMT -7
I think we are overachieving. We have some pieces in place but we are far from a finished product. If we are a playoff team, we are a borderline one. We still need a lot of help at multiple positions namely OG, Center, DT, DE, and WR. And when I am referring to help at these positions, I'm not just referring to needing one player at that position to shore it up. We need at least two more offensive guards, two more defensive tackles, and two more receivers. The Steve Keim drafted receivers are marginal at best. What Steve Keim drafted WR’s do we have? Pretty sure we do not have any. Undrafted Dortch and undrafted practice squad Baccellia are the only ones I can think of that were even on any Keim controlled team. I would not expect them to get a center, the team and Kyler love Froholdt. Dortch and even if he was not drafted, he was still acquired by him and shouldn't be on this team.
Froholdt played for 3 different teams before arriving with AZ. Drafted in the 4th round with a PFF score of 73. He is not great in the running game and still gets beaten at the point of attack. Guys like Froholdt are good but should be reserved for depth at C/G. We should get a better starter. If you really want to compete and be a playoff team, then you have to improve your interior offensive line.
Jared Wilson out of Georgia is someone I would draft. He is a great point of attack run blocker. He is huge too at 6'3, 315 lbs. He will move that pile and get you a first on 4th and short. Also, he is athletic as hell. He runs a 4.8 40 yard dash at his size!! He played linebacker too. This guy can block at the second level. Even if you like Froholdt, start this guy at guard next to him.
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Post by CardCore on Dec 7, 2024 17:26:10 GMT -7
What Steve Keim drafted WR’s do we have? Pretty sure we do not have any. Undrafted Dortch and undrafted practice squad Baccellia are the only ones I can think of that were even on any Keim controlled team. I would not expect them to get a center, the team and Kyler love Froholdt. Dortch and even if he was not drafted, he was still acquired by him and shouldn't be on this team.
Froholdt played for 3 different teams before arriving with AZ. Drafted in the 4th round with a PFF score of 73. He is not great in the running game and still gets beaten at the point of attack. Guys like Froholdt are good but should be reserved for depth at C/G. We should get a better starter. If you really want to compete and be a playoff team, then you have to improve your interior offensive line.
Jared Wilson out of Georgia is someone I would draft. He is a great point of attack run blocker. He is huge too at 6'3, 315 lbs. He will move that pile and get you a first on 4th and short. Also, he is athletic as hell. He runs a 4.8 40 yard dash at his size!! He played linebacker too. This guy can block at the second level. Even if you like Froholdt, start this guy at guard next to him.
Drafting a guard that would fit the preliminaries on the cost of admission is not like it's out of the question. What'd be the best round to get him in?....... is another thing. Wondering what your main problem is with both Froholdt and Dortch too? |
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Post by BigRedFan on Dec 7, 2024 19:00:46 GMT -7
Murray playing for his NFL and at the very least, Cardinal future. Bidwill CANNOT staple another failed Kyler season
to the new regime trying to revive this franchise. Say the Cardinals finish 8-9 or 9-8 and miss the playoffs. Not good
enough for a six year vet who plays in a division where the top tier opposing teams' window has closed for championships.
Petzing and Murray managed two field goals coming out of the bye v. Seattle. Rams and Niner's are done this year yet
Murray can't put a foot on the neck of the NFC West. Murray playing for his NFL career as a starting QB in this league.
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Post by knobby on Dec 7, 2024 19:56:27 GMT -7
Bidwill CANNOT staple another failed Kyler season
to the new regime trying to revive this franchise. Unfortunately, we appear to have no 'plan B' if KM should go - and it also appears that the next draft will be shy of any QB worthy of excitement, even IF we had a pick high enough to compete. That leaves Tune and whatever high mileage pre-owned QBs are sitting on their couches after being cut from prior service... not a happy thought. And Mike B has swallowed a fair amount with the contracts of Keim and KK, so might be very reluctant to eat another several mil $. Our hope as of now would be that Gannon's evident liking for Tune has merit, and he could produce immediately, and we could at least be as effective as a team as with Murray. The Forum consensus so far would indicate that is not very likely, but who really knows? Tune flopped in his only rookie appearance, but that is really not much to sway a decision one way or another when talking of a KM replacement. What other options do you think might be available to consider? A trade? That could be tricky to work out. Do you (or anyone else) think Petzing has what it takes to remain as OC? That could be a factor of concern ... Whipple did well in his only appearance as a fill-in guy in the past, IIRC. Would he be a possible interim or eventual replacement for Petzing? I'd like to know who coaches our scout team at present, since JG has commented that they and Tune beat our #1 group at times. IMHO |
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Post by BigRedFan on Dec 7, 2024 21:27:35 GMT -7
Bidwill CANNOT staple another failed Kyler season
to the new regime trying to revive this franchise. Unfortunately, we appear to have no 'plan B' if KM should go - and it also appears that the next draft will be shy of any QB worthy of excitement, even IF we had a pick high enough to compete. That leaves Tune and whatever high mileage pre-owned QBs are sitting on their couches after being cut from prior service... not a happy thought. And Mike B has swallowed a fair amount with the contracts of Keim and KK, so might be very reluctant to eat another several mil $. Our hope as of now would be that Gannon's evident liking for Tune has merit, and he could produce immediately, and we could at least be as effective as a team as with Murray. The Forum consensus so far would indicate that is not very likely, but who really knows? Tune flopped in his only rookie appearance, but that is really not much to sway a decision one way or another when talking of a KM replacement. What other options do you think might be available to consider? A trade? That could be tricky to work out. Do you (or anyone else) think Petzing has what it takes to remain as OC? That could be a factor of concern ... Whipple did well in his only appearance as a fill-in guy in the past, IIRC. Would he be a possible interim or eventual replacement for Petzing? I'd like to know who coaches our scout team at present, since JG has commented that they and Tune beat our #1 group at times. IMHO All valid points, but at what point is the new regime going to accept Murray failing after Thanksgiving? The NFL season starts after Turkey day as far as contending teams go. Show your mettle into December. Cardinals have failed thus far unless Murray runs the table this Christmas. Petzing runs my Grandfather's Cleveland Brown offense. Brian Sipe anyone? I love his 23 personnel sets. Murray has to read the eligibles quicker or give the ball up to the back. Kyler to his credit had acquiesced to EVERYTHING new management has asked from him. In my mind there is no character flaw from this young QB. He's just too damned short to play QB with any interior pressure allowed by his guards. Cardinal o-line as far as pass pro has been outstanding this year. Cardinals as an organization took baby steps to this point. Positive as they are, fans need to see more. Win the division. Who cares if you own the worst W-L record as a division champ. WIN the EFFING DIVISION MURRAY! I want a 45 -10 win V. Seattle tomorrow with a minimum of 3 TDs tossed by K1. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 7, 2024 21:57:03 GMT -7
Murray playing for his NFL and at the very least, Cardinal future. Bidwill CANNOT staple another failed Kyler season to the new regime trying to revive this franchise. Say the Cardinals finish 8-9 or 9-8 and miss the playoffs. Not good enough for a six year vet who plays in a division where the top tier opposing teams' window has closed for championships. Petzing and Murray managed two field goals coming out of the bye v. Seattle. Rams and Niner's are done this year yet Murray can't put a foot on the neck of the NFC West. Murray playing for his NFL career as a starting QB in this league. Before this season began I said that EXACTLY 8-9 or 9-8 would mark success in our rebuild. We are so much better than last season, and we are in a good position to make another leap. |
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Post by belac44 on Dec 8, 2024 0:12:54 GMT -7
What Steve Keim drafted WR’s do we have? Pretty sure we do not have any. Undrafted Dortch and undrafted practice squad Baccellia are the only ones I can think of that were even on any Keim controlled team. I would not expect them to get a center, the team and Kyler love Froholdt. Dortch and even if he was not drafted, he was still acquired by him and shouldn't be on this team.
Froholdt played for 3 different teams before arriving with AZ. Drafted in the 4th round with a PFF score of 73. He is not great in the running game and still gets beaten at the point of attack. Guys like Froholdt are good but should be reserved for depth at C/G. We should get a better starter. If you really want to compete and be a playoff team, then you have to improve your interior offensive line.
Jared Wilson out of Georgia is someone I would draft. He is a great point of attack run blocker. He is huge too at 6'3, 315 lbs. He will move that pile and get you a first on 4th and short. Also, he is athletic as hell. He runs a 4.8 40 yard dash at his size!! He played linebacker too. This guy can block at the second level. Even if you like Froholdt, start this guy at guard next to him.
The current staff kept Dortch around because they liked him. He is all world practice player, there is a reason he is on back end of roster though. Dortch is not a Keim player at this point. Froholdt may not be Pro bowler but he Is Far from a weak link. I was good to replace him in draft and they chose not to. |
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Post by devongent on Dec 8, 2024 2:11:29 GMT -7
Unfortunately, we appear to have no 'plan B' if KM should go Plan B would be 'Kyler Murray for 2025'. He will be playing Quarterback in Arizona next season, his contract terms dictate. I also don't think there are easy options for change; Murray (based on objective measurements) is one of higher performing QB's in the NFL this season. Hoping that Tune has developed is good, but to expect him to step in and be an all conquering force is bordering on wishful thinking. |
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Post by End Zone on Dec 8, 2024 5:32:08 GMT -7
Exactly! Here they all are in the throes of mediocrity! Maybe if Kyler goes to sleep every night listening to a clear calm voice repeating, "It's not whether you win or lose, but how you play the game. You can only control what YOU can control." OK....Lol...I'm not a psychologist. Dr End Zone, tell us Kyler spoke these words to you during one of your sessions: "I'm good enough, I'm smart enough, and doggone it, people like me."  When QB Kyler Murray said those words to me, I was reminded of a counseling session I had with Dr. Lecter, the convicted murderer and cannibal who was locked in an asylum. It is important for a psychologist to allow the patient to express fantasy. Fantasy is a mental place that patients go so they feel safe and in control. Disclaimer: Due to US privacy laws, I am unable to share the entirety of that session. But he and Dr. Lecter are certainly paranoid.  |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Dec 8, 2024 6:55:30 GMT -7
Bidwill CANNOT staple another failed Kyler season
to the new regime trying to revive this franchise. Unfortunately, we appear to have no 'plan B' if KM should go - and it also appears that the next draft will be shy of any QB worthy of excitement, even IF we had a pick high enough to compete. That leaves Tune and whatever high mileage pre-owned QBs are sitting on their couches after being cut from prior service... not a happy thought. And Mike B has swallowed a fair amount with the contracts of Keim and KK, so might be very reluctant to eat another several mil $. Our hope as of now would be that Gannon's evident liking for Tune has merit, and he could produce immediately, and we could at least be as effective as a team as with Murray. The Forum consensus so far would indicate that is not very likely, but who really knows? Tune flopped in his only rookie appearance, but that is really not much to sway a decision one way or another when talking of a KM replacement. What other options do you think might be available to consider? A trade? That could be tricky to work out. Do you (or anyone else) think Petzing has what it takes to remain as OC? That could be a factor of concern ... Whipple did well in his only appearance as a fill-in guy in the past, IIRC. Would he be a possible interim or eventual replacement for Petzing? I'd like to know who coaches our scout team at present, since JG has commented that they and Tune beat our #1 group at times. IMHO If he fails today and even if he doesn't the position should not be considered safe. This batch of rookie Qb's seem better even though Kyler is playing a little safer with the ball. Playing safe don't get you where you want to go in most cases. If he get's the win today this team still needs a plan B the guy they got now shouldn't even be on the roster behind KM. I will say the new GM and coaches need to get better at their choices for the most important position on the field. The Cardinals don't need a Qb that looks amazing a few times a year and makes mistakes he made when he was a rookie. This division has been there for the taking and still is. if Kyler can't do it now when can he? I hate to be so brutal on him but I see a young team that is gonna get held back by Kyler IMHO. I seriously would rather have one of the Steelers Qb's then kyler. I just don't have much confidence in Kyler he is just too inconsistent and still makes the same mistakes he did as a rookie does not look very savy out there on the field. I have felt his biggest problem is he just plays scared either to get hit or make a mistake I just am not sure. Either way it is holding him back from being what we need. The nfl you have to have the drive every week and even then you are gonna have a bad week now and then. it is a humbling league but we can't just hope Kyler is ever gonna snap out of it and lead the team like a franchise Qb are expected to do. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Dec 8, 2024 7:12:46 GMT -7
Unfortunately, we appear to have no 'plan B' if KM should go Plan B would be 'Kyler Murray for 2025'. He will be playing Quarterback in Arizona next season, his contract terms dictate. I also don't think there are easy options for change; Murray (based on objective measurements) is one of higher performing QB's in the NFL this season. Hoping that Tune has developed is good, but to expect him to step in and be an all conquering force is bordering on wishful thinking. I totally disagree with this, the contract might dictate it if they can't sign someone else only, the only way I think Kyler sticks is if they are gonna draft his replacement. There are other options out there and if we stay married solely because of the contract we are toast unless Kyler bucks the odds. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Dec 8, 2024 7:19:25 GMT -7
Right now only Kyler is our best option, if he loses today, I can't see a real GM or coach saying we are gonna stay the course. That would raise a major red flag for me.
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Post by knobby on Dec 8, 2024 11:49:37 GMT -7
Hoping that Tune has developed is good, but to expect him to step in and be an all conquering force is bordering on wishful thinking. How could anyone expect that, based on what little we fans have seen of what he can do? One appearance as QB when he was in his rookie term? The few times he has been put in for 4th down QB sneaks? Reality is we must rely on what those closest to Tune have decided and done. What I would expect is to see a QB who has been well coached and learned enough from all the practice sessions to be at least a game manager, if not better. Otherwise, why keep him as #2?
If he should prove to be incapable the blame falls on Monti, and especially on JG and his assistants for their lack of ability to provide a competent backup QB - not Tune himself. IMHO |
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Post by End Zone on Dec 8, 2024 12:27:34 GMT -7
Bidwill CANNOT staple another failed Kyler season
to the new regime trying to revive this franchise. Unfortunately, we appear to have no 'plan B' if KM should go - and it also appears that the next draft will be shy of any QB worthy of excitement, even IF we had a pick high enough to compete. That leaves Tune and whatever high mileage pre-owned QBs are sitting on their couches after being cut from prior service... not a happy thought. And Mike B has swallowed a fair amount with the contracts of Keim and KK, so might be very reluctant to eat another several mil $. Our hope as of now would be that Gannon's evident liking for Tune has merit, and he could produce immediately, and we could at least be as effective as a team as with Murray. The Forum consensus so far would indicate that is not very likely, but who really knows? Tune flopped in his only rookie appearance, but that is really not much to sway a decision one way or another when talking of a KM replacement. What other options do you think might be available to consider? A trade? That could be tricky to work out. Do you (or anyone else) think Petzing has what it takes to remain as OC? That could be a factor of concern ... Whipple did well in his only appearance as a fill-in guy in the past, IIRC. Would he be a possible interim or eventual replacement for Petzing? I'd like to know who coaches our scout team at present, since JG has commented that they and Tune beat our #1 group at times. IMHO Jez, I need O 2 after reading all that, George! I don't see Tune ever replacing Murray. Murray is a special athlete. He does crazy stuff. He also does insane stuff that drives me nuts. Tune is a decent backup QB, after more development and some game experience, he he might someday rise to "Jim Hart" level. We know well where Jim came from and what he did for the franchise. Or he might be the next "Kirk Cousins" and shock all of us. I like Petzing most games. I'm picky, though. Does he have the ballz to stand up to his boss? Like when Gannon said kick the useless FG and take the points at MIN, knowing that a TD by MIN would most likely win the game. Here's a reciprocal question...how often does Gannon overrule Petzing? |
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When QB Kyler Murray said those words to me, I was reminded of a counseling session I had with Dr. Lecter, the convicted murderer and cannibal who was locked in an asylum. It is important for a psychologist to allow the patient to express fantasy. Fantasy is a mental place that patients go so they feel safe and in control. Disclaimer: Due to US privacy laws, I am unable to share the entirety of that session. But he and Dr. Lecter are certainly paranoid.
