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Post by Vesely22 on Dec 4, 2024 15:35:28 GMT -7
been a long-time issue with Murray Murray often throws off his back foot because (1) he thinks a WR is open, (2) his arm is powerful enough to compensate for missing leg torque, and (3) it works in baseball. In the NFL, the result is some wild passes and a few lucky passes. Murray is not Mahomes, despite the Little Dude thinking he is comparable. EZ, I agree with everything you said with the exception of #3. Kyler was an outfielder and throwing off your back never works for an outfielder. Maybe an occasion SS or 2nd base maneuver and I get your point tho! |
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Post by ricardo on Dec 4, 2024 15:43:20 GMT -7
Does this Gut punch make the Cards stronger or weaker attitude/effort wise going forward?
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Post by knobby on Dec 4, 2024 16:56:20 GMT -7
Does this Gut punch make the Cards stronger or weaker attitude/effort wise going forward?
And, will the errors and poor decisions made be repeated, improved, or corrected? I'm speaking of all levels of the team, not just players. I hope film review covers every aspect of each game, but tend to doubt that it indeed does. More likely just each play, since nobody forces Petzing to cover his mouth when calling in plays. Apologies to all for continually griping about that, but it's like a burr under my saddle... constant and increasingly maddening irritation, like any small thing which can make a difference in outcome.
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Post by thomas cat on Dec 4, 2024 18:15:34 GMT -7
Does this Gut punch make the Cards stronger or weaker attitude/effort wise going forward?
And, will the errors and poor decisions made be repeated, improved, or corrected? I'm speaking of all levels of the team, not just players. I hope film review covers every aspect of each game, but tend to doubt that it indeed does. More likely just each play, since nobody forces Petzing to cover his mouth when calling in plays. Apologies to all for continually griping about that, but it's like a burr under my saddle... constant and increasingly maddening irritation, like any small thing which can make a difference in outcome.
Apologies to all for continually griping about that, but it's like a burr under my saddle... constant and increasingly maddening irritation, like any small thing which can make a difference in outcome."
You don't have to convince me. In the beginning, it was a minor irritation to me. As time went on, it started to bug me more and more. It's such an easy thing to do. Almost all coaches do it. Clearly most think it's worth the small effort that it takes. |
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Post by belac44 on Dec 4, 2024 18:27:40 GMT -7
I’d like to see a legit slot WR drafted or found in free agency. MHJ as the traditional X receiver opposite McBride, Michael Wilson as the Z lined up on the same side as the TE and sometimes used as slot, and a Y traditional slot receiver better than Dortch running our slants, screens and options. My post was meant in the frame of trying to do something now instead of having to wait til next season. Do we not have anybody but Dortch that can play slot receiver? It would seem as though one of the WRs on the roster could do that, like say if Dortch got hurt. I'm thinking Dev may be correct in wondering if the team would be able to just spend a pick on another WR. if so, maybe they could trade MHJ for enough to get 2 new ones. edit: Andre Baccelia would be a candidate... Dude ran a 4.28 I’d love to see Xavier Weaver get some reps. As far as I am concerned he can have Dortch or Zay Jones reps. |
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Post by knobby on Dec 4, 2024 19:09:05 GMT -7
Almost all coaches do it. Clearly most think it's worth the small effort that it takes. Even Gannon - - - which tells me he never watches Petzing on the sideline or a TV game recording, only the team on the field and NFL game tapes. |
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Post by End Zone on Dec 5, 2024 4:56:58 GMT -7
And, will the errors and poor decisions made be repeated, improved, or corrected? I'm speaking of all levels of the team, not just players. I hope film review covers every aspect of each game, but tend to doubt that it indeed does. More likely just each play, since nobody forces Petzing to cover his mouth when calling in plays. Apologies to all for continually griping about that, but it's like a burr under my saddle... constant and increasingly maddening irritation, like any small thing which can make a difference in outcome.
Apologies to all for continually griping about that, but it's like a burr under my saddle... constant and increasingly maddening irritation, like any small thing which can make a difference in outcome."
You don't have to convince me. In the beginning, it was a minor irritation to me. As time went on, it started to bug me more and more. It's such an easy thing to do. Almost all coaches do it. Clearly most think it's worth the small effort that it takes. The fact that more and more HCs, OCs, and DCs cover up their mouths while yelling instructions tells me that lipreading is a conspiracy theory only. How did I make that assessment? If coach lipreading is actually happening, that's cheating. The NFL abhors cheating. The NFL has looked into the cover-up phenomenon. The NFL found that lipreaders are not making urgent calls to coaching booths. Lipreading fans do exist...in our very homes! Aghast! However, these lipreaders are not calling their beloved teams. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Dec 5, 2024 8:09:11 GMT -7
"More likely just each play, since nobody forces Petzing to cover his mouth when calling in plays.
Apologies to all for continually griping about that, but it's like a burr under my saddle... constant and increasingly maddening irritation, like any small thing which can make a difference in outcome."
You don't have to convince me. In the beginning, it was a minor irritation to me. As time went on, it started to bug me more and more. It's such an easy thing to do. Almost all coaches do it. Clearly most think it's worth the small effort that it takes. The fact that more and more HCs, OCs, and DCs cover up their mouths while yelling instructions tells me that lipreading is a conspiracy theory only. How did I make that assessment? If coach lipreading is actually happening, that's cheating. The NFL abhors cheating. The NFL has looked into the cover-up phenomenon. The NFL found that lipreaders are not making urgent calls to coaching booths. Lipreading fans do exist...in our very homes! Aghast! However, these lipreaders are not calling their beloved teams. Ever heard of Spygate in which former Pats coach (Mangini) now coaching a different team had the security for his team go up and grab a camera being used by Pats personnel right before halftime. Belichick had a "coach"(didn't know or ever coached football) stand near him on sidelines -- this "coach's" skill ?? He had a photographic memory so at halftime he could sit and view the pictures of the signals of opposing coaches and (with help of a real coach) match up against the offense (e.g. whether run or pass) or the opposing defenses scheme (e.g. Man or Zone coverage/ Cover 2/Blitz etc...). Furthermore IMO - the Pats used this intelligence to keep a book on future opponents especially division teams which the Pats played twice. The reason communications into green dot helmet started was because of Spygate. So IMO it is naive to think the lipreading is not occurring especially useful as you get into the 4th qtr ....hmmm, is this why the Cardinals offense looks better in first half then the 2nd ? Let me say this -- a team like the Cardinals winning one SB would probably help Michael Bidwill's net worth by about $750M. So maybe the NFL is lucky I don't own a NFL team because I would hire a lip reader and have him/her/or appropriate pronoun person furnished with the best binoculars and they would annunciate what the opposing coach was saying (record this play call for future reference) so a selected coach in the booth would hear and note what the opposing team is doing. BELIEVE ME - either for that particular play or some play call(s) in the 2nd half could be used by my coaches to gain a tremendous advantage. P.S. One can't be positive that K2 (who often has his play sheet too low sometimes) has issues in college and the pros in 2nd half of seasons because opposing teams have the "book" on play calls/formations to easily know what is coming. Again -- maybe my mind is too analytical and devious. |
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Post by devongent on Dec 5, 2024 8:32:19 GMT -7
I’d love to see Xavier Weaver get some reps. As far as I am concerned he can have Dortch or Zay Jones reps. That's a good shout, it would be nice to see Weaver given a go and interesting to see how he got on. I have just (in view of your post) read up on on pre-draft review and watched some of his highlight action. He is a good watch and has certainly got something about him. - I am thinking the reason he went undrafted is because he seems a bit of a utility man, who can play outside/ inside, but I would say having no specialism, it weighed against his draft stock. He would seem an ideal 'depth player' on the roster, which is what has turned out. For the longer term, I think he is a bit on the light side to play at slot on a regular basis; he would get busted up over time with the harder and more frequent hits. I believe we need a thick-set hard man at slot, who has lots of attributes especially with reliability catching the ball. There is a great option in the draft, but he would be a First Rounder! |
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Post by knobby on Dec 5, 2024 14:43:48 GMT -7
If coach lipreading is actually happening, that's cheating. The NFL abhors cheating. The NFL has looked into the cover-up phenomenon. The NFL found that lipreaders are not making urgent calls to coaching booths. Lipreading fans do exist...in our very homes! Aghast! However, these lipreaders are not calling their beloved teams. Ehhhh - maybe. Don't discount that there is BIG MONEY riding on sports wagering. Big money = big incentive for "less than moral" people whether within or apart from the NFL.
Anywhere money is to be made, devious minds find ways to profit. Technology has largely replaced direct bribery IMO, but I do not rule out individuals being bribed, blackmailed or tempted into influencing game outcomes, even if the NFL does hold "high standards". Temptation exists among humans and money speaks very loudly in all languages. The NFL has not always had clean skirts, either - and some uncorrected referee actions are continually questionable... so let us not consider the NFL as above reproach just yet. I sure don't. When our opponents can correctly yell out 'pass' or 'run' prior to our offense's play beginning, something stinks. It may or may not be by lip reading, it may or may not be by monitoring opponent radio transmissions, or it may or may not be from our team on the field showing "tells" and not realizing it. Whichever, it indicates prior knowledge of what we are going to do. It may not happen with every team in every game, but if one of our coaches is making it easy by being ignorant of simple procedures, he should be called out and corrected regardless whether lip readers are involved or not. It's part of doing all possible to clean up our act in an effort to achieve the best results - something JG has stressed over and over. If the above makes me a conspiratorially minded radical, so be it.  IMHO |
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Post by End Zone on Dec 5, 2024 15:35:31 GMT -7
If coach lipreading is actually happening, that's cheating. The NFL abhors cheating. The NFL has looked into the cover-up phenomenon. The NFL found that lipreaders are not making urgent calls to coaching booths. Lipreading fans do exist...in our very homes! Aghast! However, these lipreaders are not calling their beloved teams. Ehhhh - maybe. Don't discount that there is BIG MONEY riding on sports wagering. Big money = big incentive for "less than moral" people whether within or apart from the NFL.
Anywhere money is to be made, devious minds find ways to profit. Technology has largely replaced direct bribery IMO, but I do not rule out individuals being bribed, blackmailed or tempted into influencing game outcomes, even if the NFL does hold "high standards". Temptation exists among humans and money speaks very loudly in all languages. The NFL has not always had clean skirts, either - and some uncorrected referee actions are continually questionable... so let us not consider the NFL as above reproach just yet. I sure don't. When our opponents can correctly yell out 'pass' or 'run' prior to our offense's play beginning, something stinks. It may or may not be by lip reading, it may or may not be by monitoring opponent radio transmissions, or it may or may not be from our team on the field showing "tells" and not realizing it. Whichever, it indicates prior knowledge of what we are going to do. It may not happen with every team in every game, but if one of our coaches is making it easy by being ignorant of simple procedures, he should be called out and corrected regardless whether lip readers are involved or not. It's part of doing all possible to clean up our act in an effort to achieve the best results - something JG has stressed over and over. If the above makes me a conspiratorially minded radical, so be it. IMHO Knobby, I did not consider second-party profiteering from lip-reading. That has likely happened since the advent of television. OLED big-screen televisions make matters worse for ignorant NFL coaches. I did notice that JG was putting a card up to his lips when talking to someone, likely in the booth above the bloodbath, and discussing strategies. Strategies would be especially valuable information. A play? Not so much since only seconds occurs between the call going to the QB and the snap. I agree wholeheartedly that all Cardinals coaches don't get it. People are watching the coaches talk. Some people are bettors. The coaches must clean up their act. Covering their mouths would help the team. EZ |
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Post by Dry Heat on Dec 5, 2024 16:22:02 GMT -7
Ehhhh - maybe. Don't discount that there is BIG MONEY riding on sports wagering. Big money = big incentive for "less than moral" people whether within or apart from the NFL.
Anywhere money is to be made, devious minds find ways to profit. Technology has largely replaced direct bribery IMO, but I do not rule out individuals being bribed, blackmailed or tempted into influencing game outcomes, even if the NFL does hold "high standards". Temptation exists among humans and money speaks very loudly in all languages. The NFL has not always had clean skirts, either - and some uncorrected referee actions are continually questionable... so let us not consider the NFL as above reproach just yet. I sure don't. When our opponents can correctly yell out 'pass' or 'run' prior to our offense's play beginning, something stinks. It may or may not be by lip reading, it may or may not be by monitoring opponent radio transmissions, or it may or may not be from our team on the field showing "tells" and not realizing it. Whichever, it indicates prior knowledge of what we are going to do. It may not happen with every team in every game, but if one of our coaches is making it easy by being ignorant of simple procedures, he should be called out and corrected regardless whether lip readers are involved or not. It's part of doing all possible to clean up our act in an effort to achieve the best results - something JG has stressed over and over. If the above makes me a conspiratorially minded radical, so be it. IMHO Knobby, I did not consider second-party profiteering from lip-reading. That has likely happened since the advent of television. OLED big-screen televisions make matters worse for ignorant NFL coaches. I did notice that JG was putting a card up to his lips when talking to someone, likely in the booth above the bloodbath, and discussing strategies. Strategies would be especially valuable information. A play? Not so much since only seconds occurs between the call going to the QB and the snap. I agree wholeheartedly that all Cardinals coaches don't get it. People are watching the coaches talk. Some people are bettors. The coaches must clean up their act. Covering their mouths would help the team. EZ They should wear all the extra COVID masks the NFL bought. |
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Post by flash on Dec 5, 2024 18:40:30 GMT -7
My post was meant in the frame of trying to do something now instead of having to wait til next season. Do we not have anybody but Dortch that can play slot receiver? It would seem as though one of the WRs on the roster could do that, like say if Dortch got hurt. I'm thinking Dev may be correct in wondering if the team would be able to just spend a pick on another WR. if so, maybe they could trade MHJ for enough to get 2 new ones. edit: Andre Baccelia would be a candidate... Dude ran a 4.28 As far as I am concerned he can have Dortch or Zay Jones reps. I have been waiting for this the whole season. I really thought that Zay would have done much better...he has done nothing!!!! As far as Dortch is concerned...he has had a lot more targets than Zay or Weaver. I am trying to figure these stats out...
Marvin
Targets: 78
Receptions: 41
Receiving Yards: 606
Receiving Touchdowns: 7
Trey
Targets: 92
Receptions: 73
Receiving Yards: 781
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
Wilson
Targets: 55
Receptions: 37
Receiving Yards: 416
Receiving Touchdowns: 3
Dortch
Targets: 38
Receptions: 25
Receiving Yards: 193
Receiving Touchdowns: 1
Zay
Targets: 2
Receptions: 1
Receiving Yards: 3
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
Weaver
Targets: 1
Receptions: 0
Receiving Yards: 0
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
(On the one target thrown to Weaver, he was open...Kyler threw the ball over his head)
Can someone explain to me why we have 2 WR's on the 51 man roster that have a combined 3 targets? That is a horrendous use of 2 players on the roster...J.G., Petzing and Kyler are to blame for this bad use of these 2 WR's...no wonder Zay has done nothing this season...
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Post by belac44 on Dec 5, 2024 18:53:49 GMT -7
I’d love to see Xavier Weaver get some reps. As far as I am concerned he can have Dortch or Zay Jones reps. I have been waiting for this the whole season. I really thought that Zay would have done much better...he has done nothing!!!! As far as Dortch is concerned...he has had a lot more targets than Zay or Weaver. I am trying to figure these stats out...
Marvin
Targets: 78
Receptions: 41
Receiving Yards: 606
Receiving Touchdowns: 7
Trey
Targets: 92
Receptions: 73
Receiving Yards: 781
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
Wilson
Targets: 55
Receptions: 37
Receiving Yards: 416
Receiving Touchdowns: 3
Dortch
Targets: 38
Receptions: 25
Receiving Yards: 193
Receiving Touchdowns: 1
Zay
Targets: 2
Receptions: 1
Receiving Yards: 3
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
Weaver
Targets: 1
Receptions: 0
Receiving Yards: 0
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
(On the one target thrown to Weaver, he was open...Kyler threw the ball over his head)
Can someone explain to me why we have 2 WR's on the 51 man roster that have a combined 3 targets? That is a horrendous use of 2 players on the roster...J.G., Petzing and Kyler are to blame for this bad use of these 2 WR's...no wonder Zay has done nothing this season...
I’m shocked Dortch has 25 receptions. Feels more like 10 with one being meaningful. |
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Post by flash on Dec 5, 2024 18:58:11 GMT -7
I have been waiting for this the whole season. I really thought that Zay would have done much better...he has done nothing!!!! As far as Dortch is concerned...he has had a lot more targets than Zay or Weaver. I am trying to figure these stats out...
Marvin
Targets: 78
Receptions: 41
Receiving Yards: 606
Receiving Touchdowns: 7
Trey
Targets: 92
Receptions: 73
Receiving Yards: 781
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
Wilson
Targets: 55
Receptions: 37
Receiving Yards: 416
Receiving Touchdowns: 3
Dortch
Targets: 38
Receptions: 25
Receiving Yards: 193
Receiving Touchdowns: 1
Zay
Targets: 2
Receptions: 1
Receiving Yards: 3
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
Weaver
Targets: 1
Receptions: 0
Receiving Yards: 0
Receiving Touchdowns: 0
(On the one target thrown to Weaver, he was open...Kyler threw the ball over his head)
Can someone explain to me why we have 2 WR's on the 51 man roster that have a combined 3 targets? That is a horrendous use of 2 players on the roster...J.G., Petzing and Kyler are to blame for this bad use of these 2 WR's...no wonder Zay has done nothing this season...
Agreed... |
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