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Post by belac44 on Nov 11, 2024 15:38:30 GMT -7
Watching Kyler’s head get knocked 15 yards and watching Tune come into the game got me thinking about back up QB.
We really need an upgrade at that spot next year. I have zero confidence Tune can lead the team to wins. I will not say he 100% can’t, I just do not trust it.
He may want a starting opportunity, but man, I would love Justin Fields here. For a back up that just needs to help you keep things going, he would be a good choice.
Have not dug into this yet to see other options, but curious if anyone else has ideas for that.
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Post by Boomer on Nov 11, 2024 16:04:13 GMT -7
Have not dug into this yet to see other options, but curious if anyone else has ideas for that. Have you checked all the small mid western grocery stores to see if hey have any stock clerks that have recently been playing arena football? |
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Post by belac44 on Nov 11, 2024 16:09:53 GMT -7
Have not dug into this yet to see other options, but curious if anyone else has ideas for that. Have you checked all the small mid western grocery stores to see if hey have any stock clerks that have recently been playing arena football? Haha, I am down to run that story back again! |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Nov 11, 2024 23:22:37 GMT -7
Watching Kyler’s head get knocked 15 yards and watching Tune come into the game got me thinking about back up QB. We really need an upgrade at that spot next year. I have zero confidence Tune can lead the team to wins. I will not say he 100% can’t, I just do not trust it. He may want a starting opportunity, but man, I would love Justin Fields here. For a back up that just needs to help you keep things going, he would be a good choice. Have not dug into this yet to see other options, but curious if anyone else has ideas for that. I think fields would be a good choice  |
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Post by aris on Nov 12, 2024 6:15:24 GMT -7
Fields doesn't want to be a backup. He's not coming here.
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Post by belac44 on Nov 12, 2024 7:03:29 GMT -7
Fields doesn't want to be a backup. He's not coming here. Yup, thats why I said that in my post and thats the biggest challenge. |
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Post by belac44 on Nov 12, 2024 7:04:49 GMT -7
Watching Kyler’s head get knocked 15 yards and watching Tune come into the game got me thinking about back up QB. We really need an upgrade at that spot next year. I have zero confidence Tune can lead the team to wins. I will not say he 100% can’t, I just do not trust it. He may want a starting opportunity, but man, I would love Justin Fields here. For a back up that just needs to help you keep things going, he would be a good choice. Have not dug into this yet to see other options, but curious if anyone else has ideas for that. I think fields would be a good choice I think he is the best choice, he may just not agree. Same with so many people that have wanted Gardner Minshew, he is just not going to choose here if he thinks he can start. He would be another I would be good with. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Nov 12, 2024 7:38:10 GMT -7
Maybe the draft? It's not supposed to be a strong class, but there are a few guys with decent grades via PFFs big board.
Drew Allar from Penn State. Prototypical build.
Language warning:
Jaxson Dart from Ole Miss
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Post by belac44 on Nov 12, 2024 11:09:14 GMT -7
Maybe the draft? It's not supposed to be a strong class, but there are a few guys with decent grades via PFFs big board. Drew Allar from Penn State. Prototypical build. Language warning: Jaxson Dart from Ole Miss After looking at free agent list and what would be realistic, I started thinking draft. Just do not want to spend too high of a pick. I will be watching who could be gotten later that could be upgrade over Tune. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 12, 2024 11:53:28 GMT -7
Two rookies who are not getting as much press currently. UH…another Houston prospect Dorian Smith 6’5” 235 LBs a dual threat QB with a big arm.
GT…Haynes King 6’3” 215 LBs…dual threat
Others
Kansas Jalon Daniel’s
UA Noah Fifita
Mizzou Brady Cook 6’2” 215 LBs he just has a good skill set without a big arm
Kevin Jennings from SMU is an interesting QB and they have had a great year with him
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 12, 2024 12:50:29 GMT -7
From Sardis…not Greece,but rather Mississippi. KJ Jefferson 6’3” 250 LBs a four year starter played at Arkansas until finishing at UFC…he has the tools to be a NFL QB and plenty of college experience.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 12, 2024 13:15:28 GMT -7
Regarding Belac44's original concern, I'm not giving up on QB Tune to gain a decent backup quarterback status. He's barely out of rookie diapers. His one challenging game as the starter in 2023 was a genuine setup--for failure.
I was glad to see HC Gannon give Tune the last five minutes of the blowout against the Jets last weekend. I thought Gannon should have given Tune the fourth quarter to see if he could manufacture a long drive or surprise us with another TD. Instead, Tune had 5 minutes left on the clock and was directed to hand off the football to backup RBs when Tune did take snaps. What happened? Nothing. Gillikin had to punt soon after that. That's not how to test a backup QB's ability to execute difficult plays under pressure.
If Tune was only a bag of doorknobs and useless, Ossenfort would have sent the young man packing. Gannon does not suffer fools on the field. He said so.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 12, 2024 13:38:25 GMT -7
Maybe the draft? It's not supposed to be a strong class, but there are a few guys with decent grades via PFFs big board. Jaxson Dart from Ole Miss I was mentioning Jaxson Dart year before last as someone to keep an eye on given I knew we weren't going QB last year unless we did it later rounds. Other than Carson Palmer I've never been high on USC guys, but Dart escaped a bad situation at Southern Cal and has been pretty consistent at Ole Miss despite not having as much talent to work with as some of the last few Ole Miss QB's. He's less of a system QB than some of the previous Ole Miss guys, stronger all around, yet weaker in a few areas. The thing I've kept an eye on with Dart is his top RB left Ole Miss this year and went to Ohio State, so while his teammates have picked up some slack, I've always been more partial to QBs who prove they can do 'more with less' and elevate the talent around them. Dart definitely has done that despite losing so much offensive support over last few years. This definitely isn't a situation where he's got Malik Nabors and a stacked supporting cast like the LSU kid last year. Something else to keep in mind is this. Ole Miss only two losses were by 3 points each and neither were Dart's fault. So he's played consistent most of the year which is something I didn't see from the LSU QB last year. I'm not saying he's got the same arm talent, and he does have some flaws, but that also means he probably won't cost you a top-5 pick either. The biggest issue I see is this. Our cap is cleaned up, so while we could go QB early, and should consider it, it would ONLY make sense if we spend heavily in Free Agency on defense. I also don't know that Murray would do so hot if he's got a younger dude pushing him. He probably needs an insurance guy behind him like Tannehil, someone he knows he wouldn't be competing with. This year's QB class will be deep, just not particularly loaded with 'elite' talent. For that reason, I think we probably look at going QB in round 2 or 3. I expect next year's class to provide plenty of solid back up options, but I can't see more than 2 or 3 ever being starter material. I have a feeling someone like Carson Beck might slide and wouldn't be a bad back up option. Ps... Ole Miss did get some quality transfers this year, but it was mostly on the defensive side of the ball, which is the primary reason they've got the record they do. |
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 12, 2024 13:46:10 GMT -7
From Sardis…not Greece,but rather Mississippi. KJ Jefferson 6’3” 250 LBs a four year starter played at Arkansas until finishing at UFC…he has the tools to be a NFL QB and plenty of college experience. I wanted to like KJ so bad after watching him play so many snaps at Arkansas. He would be a great short yardage, sub package guy with his size and arm, but that dude still seems like a project to me. Arkansas ran one of the least complicated offenses and he actually had some solid talent to work with while at Arkansas. While I really want to like him, I did not get the same feeling I did when I first watched Hurts play at Bama. Jalen Hurts was always accurate. KJ was the kind of dude that relied on tossing up jump balls, and he got a lot of easy looks because people were worried about him running. In the NFL when you're playing against nothing but grown men, that doesn't bode well for KJ. If I compare KJ to Murray I see the differences as this 1. Murray has always been accurate. While height was an issue, and definitely isn't for KJ, lack of accuracy always hurts you in the NFL 2. KJ has a much better build than Murray so the injury risk is much lower. Both have arm talent and can run, but both have serious weaknesses. Murray's more on the height/durability side. Contrast this with the LSU kid last year who had all of their plusses and none of their weaknesses. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 12, 2024 15:17:47 GMT -7
From Sardis…not Greece,but rather Mississippi. KJ Jefferson 6’3” 250 LBs a four year starter played at Arkansas until finishing at UFC…he has the tools to be a NFL QB and plenty of college experience. I wanted to like KJ so bad after watching him play so many snaps at Arkansas. He would be a great short yardage, sub package guy with his size and arm, but that dude still seems like a project to me. Arkansas ran one of the least complicated offenses and he actually had some solid talent to work with while at Arkansas. While I really want to like him, I did not get the same feeling I did when I first watched Hurts play at Bama. Jalen Hurts was always accurate. KJ was the kind of dude that relied on tossing up jump balls, and he got a lot of easy looks because people were worried about him running. In the NFL when you're playing against nothing but grown men, that doesn't bode well for KJ. If I compare KJ to Murray I see the differences as this 1. Murray has always been accurate. While height was an issue, and definitely isn't for KJ, lack of accuracy always hurts you in the NFL 2. KJ has a much better build than Murray so the injury risk is much lower. Both have arm talent and can run, but both have serious weaknesses. Murray's more on the height/durability side. Contrast this with the LSU kid last year who had all of their plusses and none of their weaknesses. I agree with you. The premise of picking a mid or late round QB seems to be a good idea. It is hard to know which one will truly be a team fit or NFL fit… trade value as well as team possible need. Just keep picking QBs until one hits. |
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