melgray85
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Didn't Your Coach Warn You?
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Post by melgray85 on Oct 15, 2024 13:38:47 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 15, 2024 14:39:35 GMT -7
I and many others have been saying for a year the defense portion of the rebuild primarily takes place in free agency 2025 ($100+ cap) alongside the 2025 sophomore seasons of Melton, DRob, Rabbit and Thomas. What threatens the rebuild are the free agent busts on DL for Jones and Nichols and CB Sean Murphy-Bunting. All paid too much, all performance and injury flops. Only Mack Wilson has performed from defensive free agency. None of those three can be cut without severe dead money implications. |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Oct 15, 2024 19:15:35 GMT -7
I and many others have been saying for a year the defense portion of the rebuild primarily takes place in free agency 2025 ($100+ cap) alongside the 2025 sophomore seasons of Melton, DRob, Rabbit and Thomas. What threatens the rebuild are the free agent busts on DL for Jones and Nichols and CB Sean Murphy-Bunting. All paid too much, all performance and injury flops. Only Mack Wilson has performed from defensive free agency. None of those three can be cut without severe dead money implications. I disagree. The rebuild should have started in the 2023 draft. And the focus should have been on the defensive line especially at defensive tackle. Remember you are drafting for starters and depth because injuries are part of the game. In the 2024 draft, we selected 3 cornerbacks and a safety. I would argue none of those defensive backs are really stand out and we could have further addressed the defensive line. You build through the draft and focus on the trenches.
The same problems that have afflicted the Cardinals for years remain the same: (1) Can't stop the run (2) Can't run inside You can't stop the run because we lack size, strength and skill on the DL. If you want to fix the defense, fix the line which means the team has to devote the resources in the draft toward the line meaningyou draft good players from good programs (SEC).
I agree we could have done a much better job in free agency but it's not the reason we are struggling on defense. Free agency is icing on the cake. It's plug and play and adding depth. You real talent is acquired through the draft.
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 15, 2024 19:31:08 GMT -7
I and many others have been saying for a year the defense portion of the rebuild primarily takes place in free agency 2025 ($100+ cap) alongside the 2025 sophomore seasons of Melton, DRob, Rabbit and Thomas. What threatens the rebuild are the free agent busts on DL for Jones and Nichols and CB Sean Murphy-Bunting. All paid too much, all performance and injury flops. Only Mack Wilson has performed from defensive free agency. None of those three can be cut without severe dead money implications. I disagree. The rebuild should have started in the 2023 draft. And the focus should have been on the defensive line especially at defensive tackle. Remember you are drafting for starters and depth because injuries are part of the game. In the 2024 draft, we selected 3 cornerbacks and a safety. I would argue none of those defensive backs are really stand out and we could have further addressed the defensive line. You build through the draft and focus on the trenches.
The same problems that have afflicted the Cardinals for years remain the same: (1) Can't stop the run (2) Can't run inside You can't stop the run because we lack size, strength and skill on the DL. If you want to fix the defense, fix the line which means the team has to devote the resources in the draft toward the line meaningyou draft good players from good programs (SEC).
I agree we could have done a much better job in free agency but it's not the reason we are struggling on defense. Free agency is icing on the cake. It's plug and play and adding depth. You real talent is acquired through the draft.
Oh we agree a whole lot more than you think. I wasn’t saying what I thought they should do in the draft, just what they did, and that is was pretty clear after the plan was to make the big defensive signings next year. We did go DRob in the first, and CB in the second with Melton, but this was a strong DL draft and we should have loaded up. I’m always for building the lines, and yes our front 7 is the main reason we are losing. Can’t stop the run, allow too many short third down situations, can’t stop on third down. Can’t get off the field. That’s a losing recipe. |
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Post by devongent on Oct 16, 2024 1:32:32 GMT -7
The same problems that have afflicted the Cardinals for years remain the same: (1) Can't stop the run (2) Can't run inside You can't stop the run because we lack size, strength and skill on the DL. If you want to fix the defense, fix the line which means the team has to devote the resources in the draft toward the line meaningyou draft good players from good programs (SEC).
Priority number one in my view as well. If the Defense cannot stop the basic run attack, then it's a big uphill task to win matches, pure & simple. My preference is for the Cardinals to operate with a 4-3 / 4-2-5 defensive base setup's. It may be less expansive than having two specialised Edge players on the outside, but it is more compact and stout, and easier to organize and play. - I think we are good with the two on the outside of the four (Collins and Robinson could fill these roles), so the big gap is for two beasts at DT. As things stand I would be looking to use our first round pick in 2025 on such a player to start things off. If you agree Cardinalsdo, I look forward to reading your recommendation, post-season, as to 'who is our man' come next April. As an aside, and I know this won't be popular, I will also be on the lookout for a linebacker high up as well. We need another strong and gifted player (then giving us a base trio of three, alongside Kazir White and Mack Wilson Sr.), which would make us much harder to run through. - Owen Pappoe is relatively small and light and can be a situational/ ST player. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 16, 2024 8:33:54 GMT -7
It isn’t a matter of the rebuilding working. It is the result of bad FA signings as well as not hedging the DT room in the 2024 room as well as injuries.
The coaching is getting exposed as per their inexperience or youth as well as inconsistent execution by players that goes back to coaching.
Lack of quality IDL with bad signings and injury to DRob put extra pressure on the remaining defenders.
IDL is still the biggest roster need.
Add to the defense issues…the offense is under performing due to coaching, play selection and K1 not being able to navigate the offensive woes. The money has been invested in the offense and the 3 and outs on a regular basis are killing the under-staffed, underpaid, out coached defense.
Good FB looks good even in losses… there is too much bad FB being put on tape ( bad personnel packages, bad use of players, bad play calls, bad technique, bad player execution)
It isn’t a rebuilding issue it is bad FB. GM, coaching and player errors in a very competitive sport.
Some shake up is required and someone will have to take one for the team in losing their job…it isn’t fair…it is the result of a bad product being put on the field.
Not sure how the nightmare ends, but I trust there will be positive results… just do not know the timing or the path yet.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 17, 2024 8:16:00 GMT -7
It isn’t a matter of the rebuilding working. It is the result of bad FA signings as well as not hedging the DT room in the 2024 room as well as injuries. The coaching is getting exposed as per their inexperience or youth as well as inconsistent execution by players that goes back to coaching. Lack of quality IDL with bad signings and injury to DRob put extra pressure on the remaining defenders. IDL is still the biggest roster need. Add to the defense issues…the offense is under performing due to coaching, play selection and K1 not being able to navigate the offensive woes. The money has been invested in the offense and the 3 and outs on a regular basis are killing the under-staffed, underpaid, out coached defense. Good FB looks good even in losses… there is too much bad FB being put on tape ( bad personnel packages, bad use of players, bad play calls, bad technique, bad player execution) It isn’t a rebuilding issue it is bad FB. GM, coaching and player errors in a very competitive sport. Some shake up is required and someone will have to take one for the team in losing their job…it isn’t fair…it is the result of a bad product being put on the field. Not sure how the nightmare ends, but I trust there will be positive results… just do not know the timing or the path yet. Concur, somebody senior will have to take one for the team soon if scoreboard results don't change quick. I like the Holy Trinity -- Gannon, Petzing, and Rallis. These three guys are young, hardworking, and dedicated to their profession. But their products on the field looks and smells bad. Their scoreboard results leave me wondering how much longer they can last with no outside help. I still think adding an assistant HC with a good pedigree is an action that might add instant value to the Trinity's scoreboard results. The Assistant HC will act as a consultant, not a bossman, providing sage advice. Then, if the products on the field continue looking and smelling like garbage, a firing action is the next option. However, the GM and HC will have to find a replacement licketysplit. I don't see that guy or gal working in the organization today. The team can do worse if management is not extremely careful. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 17, 2024 9:08:31 GMT -7
It isn’t a matter of the rebuilding working. It is the result of bad FA signings as well as not hedging the DT room in the 2024 room as well as injuries. The coaching is getting exposed as per their inexperience or youth as well as inconsistent execution by players that goes back to coaching. Lack of quality IDL with bad signings and injury to DRob put extra pressure on the remaining defenders. IDL is still the biggest roster need. Add to the defense issues…the offense is under performing due to coaching, play selection and K1 not being able to navigate the offensive woes. The money has been invested in the offense and the 3 and outs on a regular basis are killing the under-staffed, underpaid, out coached defense. Good FB looks good even in losses… there is too much bad FB being put on tape ( bad personnel packages, bad use of players, bad play calls, bad technique, bad player execution) It isn’t a rebuilding issue it is bad FB. GM, coaching and player errors in a very competitive sport. Some shake up is required and someone will have to take one for the team in losing their job…it isn’t fair…it is the result of a bad product being put on the field. Not sure how the nightmare ends, but I trust there will be positive results… just do not know the timing or the path yet. Concur, somebody senior will have to take one for the team soon if scoreboard results don't change quick. I like the Holy Trinity -- Gannon, Petzing, and Rallis. These three guys are young, hardworking, and dedicated to their profession. But their products on the field looks and smells bad. Their scoreboard results leave me wondering how much longer they can last with no outside help. I still think adding an assistant HC with a good pedigree is an action that might add instant value to the Trinity's scoreboard results. The Assistant HC will act as a consultant, not a bossman, providing sage advice. Then, if the products on the field continue looking and smelling like garbage, a firing action is the next option. However, the GM and HC will have to find a replacement licketysplit. I don't see that guy or gal working in the organization today. The team can do worse if management is not extremely careful. I think clean house , harbaugh is gonna come in and kick our butts next the guy alot of us wanted. I think I have lost confidence from GM to the coaches , too many blunders by the whole group. Then when you do that you finally deal with the Elephant in the room our very over paid Qb and his contract or bulid both lines and give him a shot to have lines that can get the ball in his hands and protect him. It has to be the trenches and if then Kyler still can't really get it done we move on. Not convinced they don't move on from KM anyways. Until the oline and dline are fixed we are wasting our time. through free agency and draft we have to fix it. I don't want guys that need a consultant for coaches or GM. |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Oct 17, 2024 11:00:33 GMT -7
The real problem is Michael Bidwill, but not for the reasons you think.
Bidwill isn't cheap. He is a meddler. He is turning into Jerry Jones. Bidwill hires coaches and GM that allow him to be involved with the football decisions. Quality GM's and coaches don't want to join an organization where the owner is too involved with football decisions. It's obvious Bidwill hires people who don't have strong personalities, success or leadership qualities because he wants to still be in control. That's the problem with the Cardinals
Everyone thinks prominent coaches and GM don't join the Cardinals because of money. That's not it at all. They interview here, realize that Bidwill wants to be part of the Triangular Decision Group: Owner-GM-Head Coach make decisions together. Sean Payton and the best guys see that and want no part of it.
Bidwill needs to bring in a proven coach or a proven GM and get out of the way. But like with Jerry Jones, the ego takes over and these owners stop being rational and doing what's in the best interest of their team. It's not enough to win. It's that they have to win their way and be involved. That's why they never win. Look at Jerry Jones. Since he took over and kicked Jimmy Johnson out, the Cowboys have done nothing.
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 17, 2024 11:05:51 GMT -7
This part is.
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 17, 2024 11:57:30 GMT -7
I’m pretty happy with the DB’s drafted so far…Williams, Melton and Rabbit. No so much the free agent pick up. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 17, 2024 14:53:03 GMT -7
Gambo just stated on 98.7 that he doubts DRob will be active on Monday -- what a disappointment. Right now the rebuild in NOT working with blame for Monti (FA acquisitions not working even before injuries), Petzing's lack of offensive creativity as offense stalls when inside zone runs by JC are shut down and little or no chemistry between KM1/MHJ. Listen to Brian Baldinger discussion about MHJ and Petzing's lack of ingenuity to get targets to him - MHJ -- when NOT the Primary runs routes as if DIS-Interested ?
P.S. Seeing the list of top CB's was both encouraging and disappointing - of course Garrett Williams and even Max Melton have shown they can play CB in this league. However just imagine this secondary if Monti would have expended the cap space to get a true, young CB1 (as many of us wanted) like Jaylon Johnson of the Bears instead of flushing $$ for SMB. UGH -- even former Cardinal Zach Allen of the Broncos has broken out in 2024. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 17, 2024 17:11:34 GMT -7
Gambo just stated on 98.7 that he doubts DRob will be active on Monday -- what a disappointment. Right now the rebuild in NOT working with blame for Monti (FA acquisitions not working even before injuries), Petzing's lack of offensive creativity as offense stalls when inside zone runs by JC are shut down and little or no chemistry between KM1/MHJ. Listen to Brian Baldinger discussion about MHJ and Petzing's lack of ingenuity to get targets to him - MHJ -- when NOT the Primary runs routes as if DIS-Interested ?
P.S. Seeing the list of top CB's was both encouraging and disappointing - of course Garrett Williams and even Max Melton have shown they can play CB in this league. However just imagine this secondary if Monti would have expended the cap space to get a true, young CB1 (as many of us wanted) like Jaylon Johnson of the Bears instead of flushing $$ for SMB. UGH -- even former Cardinal Zach Allen of the Broncos has broken out in 2024. I think Robinsons mom died this week. Doubt he plays...has more important things to do. |
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Post by CardCore on Oct 18, 2024 14:56:52 GMT -7
Judging by the results in Green Bay? There are serious issues that make this team real hard to sit through an entire game
e without damaging the TV. That…was an abortion of epic proportions.
I’m gathering that 12/13 personnel is not the best system for taking advantage of having drafted MHJ. I bet he’s unhappy with
having landed in Az with Petzing. Splendid! You would think MO,
Sears, JG, & Petzing would have had the foresight to see that issue landing square in their lap.
I and most everybody else here are not overly impressed with the quality of the FA signings. I guess the intent was to end up losing enough games to be picking at #6/7 next draft?
I don’t have it in me to sit through another “game” like the last one.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 19, 2024 15:38:09 GMT -7
The real problem is Michael Bidwill, but not for the reasons you think.
Bidwill isn't cheap. He is a meddler. He is turning into Jerry Jones. Bidwill hires coaches and GM that allow him to be involved with the football decisions. Quality GM's and coaches don't want to join an organization where the owner is too involved with football decisions. It's obvious Bidwill hires people who don't have strong personalities, success or leadership qualities because he wants to still be in control. That's the problem with the Cardinals Everyone thinks prominent coaches and GM don't join the Cardinals because of money. That's not it at all. They interview here, realize that Bidwill wants to be part of the Triangular Decision Group: Owner-GM-Head Coach make decisions together. Sean Payton and the best guys see that and want no part of it.
Bidwill needs to bring in a proven coach or a proven GM and get out of the way. But like with Jerry Jones, the ego takes over and these owners stop being rational and doing what's in the best interest of their team. It's not enough to win. It's that they have to win their way and be involved. That's why they never win. Look at Jerry Jones. Since he took over and kicked Jimmy Johnson out, the Cowboys have done nothing.
The guy has not been as public as he has in the past I just don't know if Bidwill is doing what you say. Maybe someone out there can share something to support this I have someonr close but not in the room to know if he is calling shots. I am sure when it comes to money then yes he has that right to know what's going on and involved in decisions. |
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