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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 25, 2024 5:23:44 GMT -7
On other threads several folks have discussed trading Budda. It got me thinking about which teams might be considering early season trades. Dallas is having issues with Cedee Lamb and if they were to lose again this weekend, there's a part of me that thinks they might trade him. Couple of thoughts:
1. Would you trade MHJ for Cedee if a straight swap were offered? I wouldn't but I'm curious if others would
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? I don't see us trading Budda until mid-season. And I'm not sure anyone else is going to overpay for a 'rental' with a concussive history. I suppose it depends on how needy the team is, such as someone like the Jets who have a very short window that's closing. I'm not saying it's the Jets because they may not even have a need at safety. Just stating its likely a team with an aging yet 'elite' QB. With as many teams have young QBs I'd think it's a small number of teams. The Panthers could be an option if Dalton discovers fountain of youth and keeps winning.
3. Which teams have the biggest 'hole' at safety?
4. Is there anyone else you think we could trade from a position of strength? If Barton keeps playing well, and/or we sign Hump, we could end up having excess depth on our OL - in a few weeks. Should a few guys return, we could end up needing to trade an OL down the road. I'm thinking that if we signed Hump and he played well, that would make Beachum the guy we dealt. But since teams value younger players, maybe Barton would be the guy we ended up dealing. We won't know anything for a few more weeks but it's crazy to think that OL would be the deepest position on our team.
5. Does any team out there with a poor record have a DL you think will be on trade block soon? If so, who is the DL you think they'll deal?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2024 7:17:42 GMT -7
On other threads several folks have discussed trading Budda. It got me thinking about which teams might be considering early season trades. Dallas is having issues with Cedee Lamb and if they were to lose again this weekend, there's a part of me that thinks they might trade him. Couple of thoughts: 1. Would you trade MHJ for Cedee if a straight swap were offered? I wouldn't but I'm curious if others would
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? I don't see us trading Budda until mid-season. And I'm not sure anyone else is going to overpay for a 'rental' with a concussive history. I suppose it depends on how needy the team is, such as someone like the Jets who have a very short window that's closing. I'm not saying it's the Jets because they may not even have a need at safety. Just stating its likely a team with an aging yet 'elite' QB. With as many teams have young QBs I'd think it's a small number of teams. The Panthers could be an option if Dalton discovers fountain of youth and keeps winning.
3. Which teams have the biggest 'hole' at safety?
4. Is there anyone else you think we could trade from a position of strength? If Barton keeps playing well, and/or we sign Hump, we could end up having excess depth on our OL - in a few weeks. Should a few guys return, we could end up needing to trade an OL down the road. I'm thinking that if we signed Hump and he played well, that would make Beachum the guy we dealt. But since teams value younger players, maybe Barton would be the guy we ended up dealing. We won't know anything for a few more weeks but it's crazy to think that OL would be the deepest position on our team.
5. Does any team out there with a poor record have a DL you think will be on trade block soon? If so, who is the DL you think they'll deal?
No way they would trade MHJ. It would show they made a mistake with the 4th overall pick. Coaches and GM's are very protective of their draft picks and way to early to consider MHJ bad enough to trade. I would think they would trade KM before MHJ. I wouldnt mind if they found a way to trade for Lamb to play along side MHJ though.
I also dont believe Budda is going anywhere this year. They will decide what to do with him in the off season. I have no problems if he doesnt come back. Good locker room guy, but I dont think his play warrants a big contract.
They need to upgrade their pass rush badly, but too early to really see if they need to use resources to trade for help or not. If it was close to the trade deadline and they still had a chance at the playoffs, I would definitely see them going after pass rush help. But right now? Naa, they are still figuring it all out.
No clue on DL.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Sept 25, 2024 9:26:41 GMT -7
No way they would trade MHJ. It would show they made a mistake with the 4th overall pick. Coaches and GM's are very protective of their draft picks and way to early to consider MHJ bad enough to trade. I would think they would trade KM before MHJ. I wouldnt mind if they found a way to trade for Lamb to play along side MHJ though.
I also dont believe Budda is going anywhere this year. They will decide what to do with him in the off season. I have no problems if he doesnt come back. Good locker room guy, but I dont think his play warrants a big contract.
They need to upgrade their pass rush badly, but too early to really see if they need to use resources to trade for help or not. If it was close to the trade deadline and they still had a chance at the playoffs, I would definitely see them going after pass rush help. But right now? Naa, they are still figuring it all out.
No clue on DL.
I don't see it that way. I see it as doing everything to increase Kyler's productivity based on pre-existing relationship. I wouldn't do it because I believe MHJ will be better in the long term. But some players just play better together, so anyone considering it is banking on the relationship. I was against the last OU WR we 'traded' for. I liked the kid but never thought Hollywood was a fit for a shorter QB. With Cedee being bigger, at least I can rationalize that sort of swap even if I'm against doing it. I do agree that trading Kyler would happen before an MHJ trade. But I don't see either happening right now. Just trying to fill some time before the weekend kickoff. A few weeks ago I didn't see us making any trades because we are still in rebuild mode. But with so many teams having massive amounts of injuries, especially the Rams/Niners/Dolphins/Panthers, it would make sense to consider getting pash rush help now while we could sneak in some easy wins with just a small push. If more teams like Dallas keep losing, they'll be looking to shed payroll given the hit they took from Dak's deal. The idea of pairing Cedee and MHJ would be interesting. Our defense would still be a joke, but we could go 100% defense next draft minus maybe putting one pick toward interior OL. MHJ/Ceedee and McBride would be devastating. And even if Kyler wasn't a top-5 QB, that's enough receiving talent where it wouldn't even matter. But we aren't going anywhere without improving our front 7 which is why I was miffed we didn't focus more on interior DL in the draft. We might be able to shore that up soon if payroll heavy teams keep losing. |
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Post by devongent on Sept 25, 2024 11:45:56 GMT -7
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? What about the Kansas City Chiefs? Baker's mix of experience and ability might be deemed invaluable for a third straight SB-win. For Budda himself, you would think he would jump at the opportunity, going there mid-season with a great chance of getting a ring. Appears to make a lot of sense to me. |
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Post by game8 on Sept 25, 2024 12:31:49 GMT -7
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? What about the Kansas City Chiefs? Baker's mix of experience and ability might be deemed invaluable for a third straight SB-win. For Budda himself, you would think he would jump at the opportunity, going there mid-season with a great chance of getting a ring. Appears to make a lot of sense to me. I think that would be a win win, I like KC but DO NOT want to watch another TS Super Bowl again. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 25, 2024 16:31:00 GMT -7
1. No way. MHJ already looks like he is the real deal and we have him for five years ages 22-27 at $6, $8, $9 and $11 million cap hits (plus potential 5th year option). Ceedee Lamb is 3 years older and is owed $154 million. Let’s get our value out of him and then decide if he’s worth a top WR contract for ages 27-31.
2. Budda is being listed as a top 15 trade candidate, and ESPN NFL Insider Dan Graziano lists the Jets, Cleveland and Eagles as potential landing spots. I was calling for a trade in the off season but I’ve been impressed with him this season (I wasn’t last season). I’ve stated I don’t want two of our highest paid players being safeties.
3. Eagles
4. Maybe Conner if we are totally out of the playoff hunt and don’t plan on re-signing next year, and feel comfortable giving Benson the load and learning the rest of the season.
5. Don’t know but I might take the time to dig into this. I think we get our first rounder healthy and then go free agency and draft Oline, Dline and OLB heavily in 2025.
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 25, 2024 16:46:19 GMT -7
6. I also want to mention I could see a trade with the Jets not for a DL but for Reddick if he was cool coming to play again for Gannon (he would, Gannon was his DC for his best years) AND Bidwill (uncertain. Drafted him but also let him go). Could also see us doing a smaller trade for Azeez Ojulari, BJ’s brother, from the Giants. Get one or both and next year with Reddick, the Ojulari bros and rookie Xavier Thomas and we don’t need to spend any cap or draft capital on edge, and can pour it into the lines and depth.
A bad team with a DL to trade might be the Broncos with DJ Jones, on the last year of a $30 million contract, but only if we look like contenders. But we don’t, and he’s on the downside of his career.
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Post by melgray85 on Sept 25, 2024 17:29:39 GMT -7
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? I don't see us trading Budda until mid-season. And I'm not sure anyone else is going to overpay for a 'rental' with a concussive history. I suppose it depends on how needy the team is, such as someone like the Jets who have a very short window that's closing. I'm not saying it's the Jets because they may not even have a need at safety. Just stating its likely a team with an aging yet 'elite' QB. With as many teams have young QBs I'd think it's a small number of teams. The Panthers could be an option if Dalton discovers fountain of youth and keeps winning.
I think the question is who do you replace him with if you were to trade him. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 25, 2024 20:23:59 GMT -7
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? I don't see us trading Budda until mid-season. And I'm not sure anyone else is going to overpay for a 'rental' with a concussive history. I suppose it depends on how needy the team is, such as someone like the Jets who have a very short window that's closing. I'm not saying it's the Jets because they may not even have a need at safety. Just stating its likely a team with an aging yet 'elite' QB. With as many teams have young QBs I'd think it's a small number of teams. The Panthers could be an option if Dalton discovers fountain of youth and keeps winning.
I think the question is who do you replace him with if you were to trade him. Any free agent S you want in free agency, and then spend the money left over on a more important position we are actually weak at. Or maybe Rabbit. |
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Post by melgray85 on Sept 25, 2024 22:01:52 GMT -7
I think the question is who do you replace him with if you were to trade him. Any free agent S you want in free agency, and then spend the money left over on a more important position we are actually weak at. Or maybe Rabbit. Any of them?.....you're sure? |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 25, 2024 22:57:59 GMT -7
Any free agent S you want in free agency, and then spend the money left over on a more important position we are actually weak at. Or maybe Rabbit. Any of them?.....you're sure? I said any one you want, not any one of them. Big difference. And as it was during I believe our Patrick Peterson discussions way back, it’s never as simple as replacing the talent of one guy. It’s about spending wisely at the most important positions. Do you enjoy having our second highest paid player a $19 million safety and our third highest a $12.5 million safety? Because that’s where we are right now. Did you enjoy using two straight first round draft picks on ILB’s? S and ILB are THE TWO cheapest and easiest to replace positions on defense. |
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Post by melgray85 on Sept 26, 2024 0:12:41 GMT -7
Any of them?.....you're sure? I said any one you want, not any one of them. Big difference. And as it was during I believe our Patrick Peterson discussions way back, it’s never as simple as replacing the talent of one guy. It’s about spending wisely at the most important positions. Do you enjoy having our second highest paid player a $19 million safety and our third highest a $12.5 million safety? Because that’s where we are right now. Did you enjoy using two straight first round draft picks on ILB’s? S and ILB are THE TWO cheapest and easiest to replace positions on defense. Well in addition to Peterson who initially continued to thrive when he left while we're still to this day struggling at that position, I also vaguely recall us discussing cap cost and examples I pointed to that contradicted your base argument about practicality when it comes to paying for players. But all that aside here's my overall opinion in general, which is basically that I'm not a fan of what I view as a rob Peter to pay Paul approach, or letting go a proven asset in order to reach back for a player that you let go because they did better after leaving you. I also don't believe in changing my mind about a proven player just because they feel they are worth a better contract. Takes me back to Boldin and my then agreement with Kurt Warner when he said pay the man. Thank God that didn't happen with Fitz when people (here) questioned keeping him for what we could have gotten for him. Yes I realize it's a business and players realize that too, I just think the goal should be adding to what's working for you. I'd be thrilled for example to see Riddick back but not by giving up an anchor on defense to bring him back, which he (Riddick) probably wouldn't wanna do anyway. But as always, just my opinion. It's Bidwill's money not mine (lol!)/ |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 26, 2024 3:28:15 GMT -7
2. Who do you think the most likely suitor for Budda would be? What about the Kansas City Chiefs? Baker's mix of experience and ability might be deemed invaluable for a third straight SB-win. For Budda himself, you would think he would jump at the opportunity, going there mid-season with a great chance of getting a ring. Appears to make a lot of sense to me. Why they came after the Badger good call. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 26, 2024 3:30:34 GMT -7
We are only three games into the season we keep our team together if we do anything we add to it and release low hanging fruit.
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Post by CardCore on Sept 26, 2024 4:52:35 GMT -7
1. How does trading MHJ for Lamb even pop into the realm of discussion? This team is not experiencing offensive difficulty due to anything to do with the passing game. If a portion of the offense needs worked on it has to do with the RUNNING game. I can see discussions about how to go about improving the run game way before any of this. To make matters worse, the discussion has to do with the wrong side of the ball, because clearly, the D is where improvement is most necessary.
The only thing I really worry about that has to do with the passing game is K1 getting schooled by Petzing/Gannon about trying to force the ball to MHJ instead of
spreading the ball around. He was BAD about that when Hopkins was here, and with McBride/Wilson/ Dortch/ Conner and others, there are options, just like Wilson being open 20 yards away when he tried to throw farther and into double coverage to MHJ. The resulting INT could be arguably the reason for losing to the Lions. It also tends to take the air out of a team, especially late in a game.
2. When Ossenfort took this job, he also took the right to shape the roster in whatever way he wanted that made sense, including getting rid of players and contracts that don't fit the puzzle. That is still ongoing and always will be. They have a plan that doesn't include," Let's throw THIS against the wall and see if it sticks." I can see someone disagreeing with the way the new management is managing, but I don't see any big problem with where we are in this process right now.
This is early in year 2 and everybody needs to keep that in focus.
I was reading headline stories at AzCards.com after the Lions game, and Gannon is largely unconcerned about any of these issues that are being discussed in this thread. Repeatedly his focus is mainly on ironing out a few wrinkles and that the team is very close to where he wants to be. More than personnel, he is concerned with processes and cleaning up mistakes. The Lions are TWICE as far into this process as what the Cards are. They are early in year 4 and the Cards, again, are early in year 2. In my view, the game between the 2 teams looked about like they were maybe one year apart in the process. So, there's that.
3. If it is decided to get rid of Budda and his contract, the only stipulation I'd put on that whole process is to make 100% sure it is handled amicably and agreeably.
Not sure how pressing the need is to pursue any of that right this minute. It's a shame that DRob got hurt when he did. it would have been really nice to have had him playing these first 4 games to give him the advantage of the early experience. That could have made a critical difference, but we'll see how his early games unfold and how he does. Pretty sure Gardeck and Zaven will be real happy to have him back. Along with the Dline.
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