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Post by CardCore on Jun 4, 2018 17:48:40 GMT -7
Worked good for Dallas with Moose Johnston and Emmitt Smith. Hopefully it can for us this season. Yep, and in that same timeframe Roger Craig was tearing it up with Tom Rathman for the 9ers. IMO it'd be awesome to come up with a FB as good as Moose or Rathman. DJ has proven how great a runner he can be with no FB, but with one he might take it to the stratosphere.  I love that kind of smash mouth running game! In the end, W's are what counts, but there's a lot to be said for those RB's gettin' holes opened up by excellent O line play and RB's chewin' up turf in big chunks....that stuff gives me goosebumps. |
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Post by biggs on Jun 5, 2018 7:24:10 GMT -7
The Pats have collected a lot of trophies allowing teams to try and go down the field and score TD's with a ball control O. Can we get the ball in the end-zone without critical turnovers by dunking and dinking our way to the end zone? Is the D good enough to win ball control and field position games. Will our special teams gain yards on punts? Will we be deadly accurate on Field goals.
It doesn't matter how you do it as long as you're really good at what you do. Style is always very overrated. It's all about execution. We are installing a new O and D. I think we have the personal to do it. I won't be disappointed if it takes a little time to get it right.
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Post by Zaz on Jun 5, 2018 8:32:31 GMT -7
No more biscuit ball. Mccoy is much more conservatives. lots of short passes. Which is fine with me. We dont have a deep guy anyways.
Short passes means we utilize our greatest strengths: David and Larry. Also Kirk is better on crossing patterns. Not a vertical guy. Emphasizing your strengths is what its all about.
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Post by biggs on Jun 5, 2018 10:14:11 GMT -7
No more biscuit ball. Mccoy is much more conservatives. lots of short passes. Which is fine with me. We dont have a deep guy anyways. Short passes means we utilize our greatest strengths: David and Larry. Also Kirk is better on crossing patterns. Not a vertical guy. Emphasizing your strengths is what its all about. Back in 2016 when we played biscuit ball David Johnson had 1239 rushing yards, 879 receiving yards and 20 TD's. Larry Fitzgerald caught 107 passes. We were 6th in Offensive scoring. Biscuit ball utilized our greatest strength pretty well. |
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Post by Zaz on Jun 5, 2018 11:06:14 GMT -7
No more biscuit ball. Mccoy is much more conservatives. lots of short passes. Which is fine with me. We dont have a deep guy anyways. Short passes means we utilize our greatest strengths: David and Larry. Also Kirk is better on crossing patterns. Not a vertical guy. Emphasizing your strengths is what its all about. Back in 2016 when we played biscuit ball David Johnson had 1239 rushing yards, 879 receiving yards and 20 TD's. Larry Fitzgerald caught 107 passes. We were 6th in Offensive scoring. Biscuit ball utilized our greatest strength pretty well. Fitz average depth of catch: 8.1 yards. For comp sake, Julio Jones is 14.3, Mike Evans is 15.2, Antonio Brown 11.1, Odell Beckham 11.2 David Johnson isnt listed but we can assume a RB is not catching the ball 20+ yards down field. RBs take the swing pass, usually 5-10 yards. Point being biscuit ball didnt terribly benefit to David and Larry. Because they arent the ones catching the deep passes. We wasted balls on Smokey and JJ deep. Had we stuck to the short game (as we will see with Mccoy) heck, maybe David couldve easily gotten his 1k/1k |
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Post by ricardo on Jun 5, 2018 12:33:24 GMT -7
Yet we need a WR to stretch the field to provide a deep threat for the offense to clear out defenders to set up underneath routes.
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Post by Boomer on Jun 5, 2018 12:40:24 GMT -7
Back in 2016 when we played biscuit ball David Johnson had 1239 rushing yards, 879 receiving yards and 20 TD's. Larry Fitzgerald caught 107 passes. We were 6th in Offensive scoring. Biscuit ball utilized our greatest strength pretty well. Fitz average depth of catch: 8.1 yards. For comp sake, Julio Jones is 14.3, Mike Evans is 15.2, Antonio Brown 11.1, Odell Beckham 11.2 David Johnson isnt listed but we can assume a RB is not catching the ball 20+ yards down field. RBs take the swing pass, usually 5-10 yards. Point being biscuit ball didnt terribly benefit to David and Larry. Because they arent the ones catching the deep passes. We wasted balls on Smokey and JJ deep. Had we stuck to the short game (as we will see with Mccoy) heck, maybe David couldve easily gotten his 1k/1k Fitz is a slot receiver, not a wide out like the other you mention. You'd expect to see a WR have a higher YPC than a slot receiver. smh |
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Post by Zaz on Jun 5, 2018 13:28:10 GMT -7
Fitz average depth of catch: 8.1 yards. For comp sake, Julio Jones is 14.3, Mike Evans is 15.2, Antonio Brown 11.1, Odell Beckham 11.2 David Johnson isnt listed but we can assume a RB is not catching the ball 20+ yards down field. RBs take the swing pass, usually 5-10 yards. Point being biscuit ball didnt terribly benefit to David and Larry. Because they arent the ones catching the deep passes. We wasted balls on Smokey and JJ deep. Had we stuck to the short game (as we will see with Mccoy) heck, maybe David couldve easily gotten his 1k/1k Fitz is a slot receiver, not a wide out like the other you mention. You'd expect to see a WR have a higher YPC than a slot receiver. smh Im aware hes a slot receiver. Im aware David is a RB. And im aware Kirk is primarily a crossing route WR. Hence why I said Mccoy short passing game will benefit our strengths (Daivd, Fitz, Kirk) more than biscuit ball did. |
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Post by pajaro cerebro on Jun 5, 2018 14:22:10 GMT -7
There was nothing more frustrating than watching Palmer uncork a beautiful spiraling bomb right before getting blasted into Starsville only to see the ball bounce off JJ Can't Catch a Cold Nelson's butterfingers.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2018 16:43:25 GMT -7
There was nothing more frustrating than watching Palmer uncork a beautiful spiraling bomb right before getting blasted into Starsville only to see the ball bounce off JJ Can't Catch a Cold Nelson's butterfingers. Just a reminder, JJ did have a broken thumb that he played with for the 1st part of the season. So his drop rate was higher than his 1st year. |
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Post by thomas cat on Jun 5, 2018 17:07:05 GMT -7
Here is a good article concerning how Wilks, McCoy and Kirby Wilson think about the use of a fullback. about the use of a fullbackI'm all for it. My only concern.....at this time we have Derrick Coleman and Elijhaa Penny that might fit the bill as a fullback. Coleman has virtually no resume and even some off field problems. ColemanI like Penny, but we really have not seen much of him of as a pure fullback. I really think coach Wilks, McCoy and Wilson will up our running game. A good running game controls the clock, wears out the defense, and sets up the passing game. Go Cardinals |
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Post by SMITTY on Jun 5, 2018 17:10:04 GMT -7
Concerning using the FB in the game plan, seems we need at least 3 of these guys (FB's) lined up to use for the year.
What's that depth chart look like currently?
Smoke and JJ, our past deep threats were all feet no hands, or so it seemed outside a few nice plays.
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Post by 70'sCardFan on Jun 5, 2018 18:20:31 GMT -7
Worked good for Dallas with Moose Johnston and Emmitt Smith. Hopefully it can for us this season. Yep, and in that same timeframe Roger Craig was tearing it up with Tom Rathman for the 9ers. IMO it'd be awesome to come up with a FB as good as Moose or Rathman. DJ has proven how great a runner he can be with no FB, but with one he might take it to the stratosphere. I love that kind of smash mouth running game! In the end, W's are what counts, but there's a lot to be said for those RB's gettin' holes opened up by excellent O line play and RB's chewin' up turf in big chunks....that stuff gives me goosebumps. Yeah CardCore I forgot about that combo. I’m with you man I’m excited about the possibilities too. And those teams went to several SB’s. I know they both had HOF quarterbacks, running back and receivers. We have part of that in Fitz. David has that possibility and with a healthy Bradford don’t see why we couldn’t pull it off too. Teams going to theses smaller speedy hybrid players, they won’t be a match for a fullback led tailback at line of scrimmage or when they hit the second level. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jun 5, 2018 18:38:47 GMT -7
opposing defenses will load the box on first down forcing 2nd n long...doesn't matter what play cards run on 2nd-if
run box is loaded-if pass qb gets splattered...on 3rd n long qb gets splattered again...punt
emmitt and craig ran behind VERY GOOD LINES...cards line is below average at best.
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Post by thomas cat on Jun 5, 2018 19:36:45 GMT -7
opposing defenses will load the box on first down forcing 2nd n long...doesn't matter what play cards run on 2nd-if run box is loaded-if pass qb gets splattered...on 3rd n long qb gets splattered again...punt emmitt and craig ran behind VERY GOOD LINES...cards line is below average at best.I certainly agree, our OL is suspect. On the other hand, I have high hopes the new coaching staff will make this a priority. If we could just get the whole line to stay healthy, that alone will make the OL better. We don't need all pros, we need a consistent lineup. In the past, we had the OL change almost weekly due to injuries. That has to stop......granted, easier said than done. |
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I love that kind of smash mouth running game! In the end, W's are what counts, but there's a lot to be said for those RB's gettin' holes opened up by excellent O line play and RB's chewin' up turf in big chunks....that stuff gives me goosebumps.
