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Post by MT Diesel on Sept 12, 2024 6:37:54 GMT -7
Extremely well said, CC. MHJ toadies and fantasizers want their pound of flesh. They won't get it. Murray is not the most articulate QB in the NFL. His pretzel-like remarks to the media were a jumble, twisty, choppy, and ultimately misunderstood. The context is hard to find. I had to read the quote twice to piece together what I assume was Murray telling the media that the OC designs and calls the plays. The QB then decides the best option after a snap. MHJ was not the best option most snaps. MHJ ran 55 routes out of 60/61 snaps last week. He was targeted by Murray 3 times. MHJ made a ton of mistakes and likely learned a lot. He will get some receptions, yards, and TDs this year. I'm patient. Thanks EZ...I have a feeling the Bills blueprint will likely be followed more than once this season, so eventually K1 will have to develop a similar mindset to the one he employed with DHop: Even when he's covered, he's still open. Just like Warner used w/ Fitz. It's just a tad tough early on when the QB's concerned with earning the A-hole of the month award for throwing int's.  I realize you already know this stuff, but there may be someone who comes along that didn't really....  Nice way of clearing up the issue. You nailed it. Thanks CC. |
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Post by vwvectors on Sept 12, 2024 6:43:46 GMT -7
Imagine Warner saying it’s not his job to the ball to Fitz ? To me it’s an outlandish statement to make. It’s the QB’s job to read a defense & call an audible if need be.
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Post by CardCore on Sept 12, 2024 6:50:49 GMT -7
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Post by MT Diesel on Sept 12, 2024 7:20:58 GMT -7
Imagine Warner saying it’s not his job to the ball to Fitz ? To me it’s an outlandish statement to make. It’s the QB’s job to read a defense & call an audible if need be. Wasn't Fitz an established vet when Warner played with him? IMO I have no concern about MHJ not getting the ball. I have greater concern McBride wasn't getting more attention and Conner disappeared in the second half. The QB in stressful situations tend to go with the players they trust the most. Dortch is trusted as well as was open. Wilson had poor timing on his drop. The formations in the second half were all from shotgun (25% under center in the first half) Why was Tip not next Beach to protect the edge a bit? I had several issues with the second half and no concern about words in a post game interview. I had some issues with K1 holding the ball too long and then Wilson post game said on his TD that K1 pumped and DL hands were in his throwing lane and then threw Wilson the TD...that hesitation seemed better when hearing a player explain what was actually happening. We all have takes or opinions and some are wrong. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 12, 2024 7:36:18 GMT -7
What I really don't understand and part of the reason I thought the team getting rid of small receivers was 6'4" WR's are a mismatch vs. 5'9"-5'10" corners and safeties. If the Bills blitz with 6, then either McBride or MHJ has single coverage .. - Throw the ball to the player having single coverage no matter what when your options are MHJ and/or McBride
- One way to make a team pay when dialing up more blitzes, is to throw in a screen pass to the RB. In the first half I saw several screen passes but then in 2nd half, Petzing forgot he had it on the play sheet?
- Did the offense in 2nd half put a TE next to Beachum and have him chip Rosseau (AFC defensive player of the week) before going out in the pass pattern.
The Chiefs employ both the screen to Pacheco and Kelce chipping a rusher going out about 3-4 yds turnaround and get the ball thrown to him when the defense sends blitzers. This way the Chiefs are able to frustrate their opponent and pick up positive yards on each play creating a lot of 3rd and short situations .... guess what teams don't pass-blitz on 3rd and short.
P.S. I will also watch KM1 and those couple of plays each week where the QB must just stand in the pocket when his WR breaks open and JUST STAND THERE and DELIVER THE BALL while taking a hit. Also I will be watching if the Cards offense is using a lot of pre-snap motion ... one way last Sunday to make the Bills secondary communicate and put stress on them would be to put MHJ in motion. I don't recall much pre-snap motion (McVay of the Rams uses motion more than any team) and certainly don't remember doing it with MHJ.
The Cards must win this game and they'll have a decent chance to be 2-2 at the first qtr pole of the season.
Heck warner would just throw it up to fitz even if he was doubled or even tripled and just let fitz do what he does best.i remember Murray tossing it up to a certain wr against the bills last second and he jumped up and grabbed it over at least 2 defenders for the winning TD. That was what I was hoping for with mhj last week a |
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Post by aris on Sept 12, 2024 8:02:58 GMT -7
The quote itself sounds bad but it's all about context. He was further elaborating that he's taught to go through his reads and get the ball to an open guy.
His "job" is to move the chains and the ball down the field. That will obviously include more of MHJ as the season goes on.
This is a nothing burger.
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Post by melgray85 on Sept 12, 2024 8:20:42 GMT -7
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Kyler saying it’s not his job to get MHJ the ball? He has more than one receiver. He also has a guy who he hands the ball off to if not toss it to him. This is why QB's have what's called their progressions, not their target. Context is everything and I doubt anything would be made of this coming from Brady or Rogers. |
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Post by End Zone on Sept 12, 2024 9:51:44 GMT -7
What I really don't understand and part of the reason I thought the team getting rid of small receivers was 6'4" WR's are a mismatch vs. 5'9"-5'10" corners and safeties. If the Bills blitz with 6, then either McBride or MHJ has single coverage .. - Throw the ball to the player having single coverage no matter what when your options are MHJ and/or McBride
- One way to make a team pay when dialing up more blitzes, is to throw in a screen pass to the RB. In the first half I saw several screen passes but then in 2nd half, Petzing forgot he had it on the play sheet?
- Did the offense in 2nd half put a TE next to Beachum and have him chip Rosseau (AFC defensive player of the week) before going out in the pass pattern.
The Chiefs employ both the screen to Pacheco and Kelce chipping a rusher going out about 3-4 yds turnaround and get the ball thrown to him when the defense sends blitzers. This way the Chiefs are able to frustrate their opponent and pick up positive yards on each play creating a lot of 3rd and short situations .... guess what teams don't pass-blitz on 3rd and short.
P.S. I will also watch KM1 and those couple of plays each week where the QB must just stand in the pocket when his WR breaks open and JUST STAND THERE and DELIVER THE BALL while taking a hit. Also I will be watching if the Cards offense is using a lot of pre-snap motion ... one way last Sunday to make the Bills secondary communicate and put stress on them would be to put MHJ in motion. I don't recall much pre-snap motion (McVay of the Rams uses motion more than any team) and certainly don't remember doing it with MHJ.
The Cards must win this game and they'll have a decent chance to be 2-2 at the first qtr pole of the season.
I think you make a good point. Who designs the play and or the motion to give a specific player on offense an advantage to get the ball on a play...The QB? or The HC? My answer is neither the HC or QB designs the play or motion. That is worked out days prior to the game by the OC, and if the OC option was offered above, I would pick OC. |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 12, 2024 12:32:02 GMT -7
Him saying it’s not his job, it’s the oc job to get the ball to MHJ is a sellout. Just shows he still has zero leadership. So yes I get it. I agree. This statement wasn't needed. A true leader would be humble and say: "Yes, it's my job to help get him involved. He is a very talented receiver and asset. We truly want to take advantage of all the weapons we have"
I don't see Kyler being here much longer. If we struggle this year and if MHJ doesn't have great stats, they will be looking for a QB. MHJ was wide open on that play and a big reason Kyler didn't see him was due to his size. It's obvious we have to go with a different QB. That doesn't excuse our lack of a running game or poor playcalling. It's not all on Kyler but Kyler also limits what we can do based on his height.
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Post by aussiecardfan on Sept 12, 2024 13:03:59 GMT -7
What’s everyone’s thoughts on Kyler saying it’s not his job to get MHJ the ball? He has more than one receiver. He also has a guy who he hands the ball off to if not toss it to him. This is why QB's have what's called their progressions, not their target. Context is everything and I doubt anything would be made of this coming from Brady or Rogers. You’re probably right. They are 2 good QBs. |
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Post by aussiecardfan on Sept 12, 2024 13:05:22 GMT -7
Him saying it’s not his job, it’s the oc job to get the ball to MHJ is a sellout. Just shows he still has zero leadership. So yes I get it. I agree. This statement wasn't needed. A true leader would be humble and say: "Yes, it's my job to help get him involved. He is a very talented receiver and asset. We truly want to take advantage of all the weapons we have"
I don't see Kyler being here much longer. If we struggle this year and if MHJ doesn't have great stats, they will be looking for a QB. MHJ was wide open on that play and a big reason Kyler didn't see him was due to his size. It's obvious we have to go with a different QB. That doesn't excuse our lack of a running game or poor playcalling. It's not all on Kyler but Kyler also limits what we can do based on his height.
Kyler also limits what we can do by continuing to not want to play from under center. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Sept 12, 2024 14:03:51 GMT -7
Him saying it’s not his job, it’s the oc job to get the ball to MHJ is a sellout. Just shows he still has zero leadership. So yes I get it. I agree. This statement wasn't needed. A true leader would be humble and say: "Yes, it's my job to help get him involved. He is a very talented receiver and asset. We truly want to take advantage of all the weapons we have"
I don't see Kyler being here much longer. If we struggle this year and if MHJ doesn't have great stats, they will be looking for a QB. MHJ was wide open on that play and a big reason Kyler didn't see him was due to his size. It's obvious we have to go with a different QB. That doesn't excuse our lack of a running game or poor playcalling. It's not all on Kyler but Kyler also limits what we can do based on his height.
Have you seen the play breakdown beyond the still frames? Cause if you did, I don't think you have a hill to stand on. I mean...I would take Kurt Warner's and Orlovsky's don't blame him... |
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Post by cardinalsins on Sept 12, 2024 14:04:38 GMT -7
The quote itself sounds bad but it's all about context. He was further elaborating that he's taught to go through his reads and get the ball to an open guy. His "job" is to move the chains and the ball down the field. That will obviously include more of MHJ as the season goes on. This is a nothing burger. Pretty much this. |
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Post by cardinalsins on Sept 12, 2024 14:06:26 GMT -7
Him saying it’s not his job, it’s the oc job to get the ball to MHJ is a sellout. Just shows he still has zero leadership. So yes I get it. He flew the whole offense to train at USC. To build comradery and rapport on his own dime (at considerable expense I may add). He also had nothing but nice things to say about Beachum, despite Beach giving up a ton of sacks in game 1. All that despite the fact that Beachum trashed him in a public forum. Why do you hate Kyler so much? |
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Post by aussiecardfan on Sept 12, 2024 14:42:14 GMT -7
Him saying it’s not his job, it’s the oc job to get the ball to MHJ is a sellout. Just shows he still has zero leadership. So yes I get it. He flew the whole offense to train at USC. To build comradery and rapport on his own dime (at considerable expense I may add). He also had nothing but nice things to say about Beachum, despite Beach giving up a ton of sacks in game 1. All that despite the fact that Beachum trashed him in a public forum. Why do you hate Kyler so much? I don’t hate anyone mate. I just don’t think he is a good NFL Quarterback. I’ve seen no growth as a player in 6 seasons. Still makes way too many mental errors. Is this because he is lazy and won’t study film? Is is because he still cant read a defense and see what they are doing pre snap? It’s just my opinion, for the cardinals sake I hope I’m wrong. I was big on kolb and Rosen so what does my opinion matter anyways… haha |
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