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Post by FLCardinalFan on Mar 31, 2024 18:49:25 GMT -7
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 31, 2024 20:40:57 GMT -7
Ha, I was on the fence between Carter and Anderson but a trade down if the compensation was a haul. I feel like we did get that haul and it was the right move, especially if Paris was our target anyway. He may have been. No one foresaw Houston playing so well this season, which affected our 2024 1st and 3rd, but I’m darn happy we have those two picks this year in this this deep draft. Remember we also got pick 33 in that trade, and did some more moving around with that.
No surprise I’m feeling the same way this year. I’m not on the fence other than us taking the best WR for our team out of the top three, but I’d also love a trade haul should someone offer it.
Still want big stud Dlinemen or Edge, but this draft doesn’t seem to have a top five guy.
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Post by aris on Apr 1, 2024 13:14:57 GMT -7
I was wrong on him. I thought too risky and to be truthful might end up being right after all. He's been clean for one year. Lots of time to do naughty things LOL
I also think we did well with Paris as our future LT.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 1, 2024 14:55:15 GMT -7
I was wrong on him. I thought too risky and to be truthful might end up being right after all. He's been clean for one year. Lots of time to do naughty things LOL I also think we did well with Paris as our future LT. The Cardinals have not done well picking guys with legal problems. Honey Badger was the exception. We know now that Carter was a steal at #9 in 2023.
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Post by ricardo on Apr 1, 2024 16:35:57 GMT -7
It's still early...
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 1, 2024 16:42:04 GMT -7
Then that means I have a chance my kid Isaiah Simmons will make it in the NFL He is a free agent, LOL
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Post by cardinalsins on Apr 1, 2024 18:50:17 GMT -7
I was wrong on him. I thought too risky and to be truthful might end up being right after all. He's been clean for one year. Lots of time to do naughty things LOL I also think we did well with Paris as our future LT. He was connected to a shoplifting incident at Target. Might have been his GF. Nothing happened though...
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 3, 2024 7:40:50 GMT -7
PFF grade 92.3
Look at some of the press rumors members quoted, LOL So wrong
Carter was my #1 guy last year but I understood why teams passed. What I never understood, were the folks who actually thought he wasn't talented. Legal trouble questions I get, but we had a lot of board members questioning his talent. The same guys who are Kyler and MHJ homers who don't even watch college ball. Anyone who actually watches college ball, especially the SEC, knew this kid was a stud. And the whole reason I wanted him was because he was the first guy to remind me of Aaron Donald in a long time. He had that kind of measurables. Given elite interior DL are much rarer than elite edge rushers, I wanted him more than Will Anderson who was really my second choice. Thanks for reposting this though. Always nice to see folks who are repeatedly wrong about draft picks, especially when they love to point out how certain picks this year are a no brainer. I'm guessing the same people who misjudged Carter are the ones who probably the same ones who thought Quinnen Williams would suck. There's a common denominator with many of these board members. They wanted Kyler and guys like MHJ, and they were against taking: Bosa, Quinnen, Carter or Anderson.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 3, 2024 16:40:18 GMT -7
This was me back in Jan ‘23, before the driving incident bit after some rumors were brewing about Carter’s character:
“Jan 22, 2023 at 3:06pm QuoteEditlikePost Options Post by Dry Heat on Jan 22, 2023 at 3:06pm I haven’t found anything credible or concrete regarding character or work ethic on Carter, but I’ll be watching closely as we get closer to the draft. We do need an outside pass rusher a bit more. Both are positions I like to see early in the draft, so I’m cool with either until I see legit red flags.
The QB question is more serious than people realize. Our new GM and coaches won’t have an idea about Kyler’s ability to fully recover by draft day. A #3 pick in a draft with some QB’s who look NFL QBOF potential is rare. We have to decide whether to use it on a QB for insurance, Carter/Williams or another top stud that emerges, or trade down. I wouldn’t want to be the one making that decision.
Right now, my hope is a small trade down that let’s us still land Carter or Williams or similar, plus pick(s), plus a DHop trade that lands us a later first to use on BPA. I did a mock recently, can’t remember the exact trades. I forced a pre-draft trade of DHop for the Patriots #14, then a trade down that still got us Carter. Was able to then land Carter, RB Robinson from Texas at 14, G Torrance with our second rounder, and LSU OLB Ojulari with another early second rounder received in the #3 trade down. A starting Dlineman potential pro bowler, a stud RB potential pro bowler, a fanatic G prospect who could end up a starter year 1, and an OLB who could start year 1. That would be fantastic for a rebuilding team.”
Man I wish this had happened. I was way off on DHop’s value, obviously. Would have had our Dlineman, RB stud, the guard we need now (Torrance had the second most snaps by any guard last year, in his very first season!, and still have landed Ojulari (called that one!).
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 4, 2024 7:39:51 GMT -7
This was me back in Jan ‘23, before the driving incident bit after some rumors were brewing about Carter’s character: “Jan 22, 2023 at 3:06pm QuoteEditlikePost Options Post by Dry Heat on Jan 22, 2023 at 3:06pm I haven’t found anything credible or concrete regarding character or work ethic on Carter, but I’ll be watching closely as we get closer to the draft. We do need an outside pass rusher a bit more. Both are positions I like to see early in the draft, so I’m cool with either until I see legit red flags. The QB question is more serious than people realize. Our new GM and coaches won’t have an idea about Kyler’s ability to fully recover by draft day. A #3 pick in a draft with some QB’s who look NFL QBOF potential is rare. We have to decide whether to use it on a QB for insurance, Carter/Williams or another top stud that emerges, or trade down. I wouldn’t want to be the one making that decision. Right now, my hope is a small trade down that let’s us still land Carter or Williams or similar, plus pick(s), plus a DHop trade that lands us a later first to use on BPA. I did a mock recently, can’t remember the exact trades. I forced a pre-draft trade of DHop for the Patriots #14, then a trade down that still got us Carter. Was able to then land Carter, RB Robinson from Texas at 14, G Torrance with our second rounder, and LSU OLB Ojulari with another early second rounder received in the #3 trade down. A starting Dlineman potential pro bowler, a stud RB potential pro bowler, a fanatic G prospect who could end up a starter year 1, and an OLB who could start year 1. That would be fantastic for a rebuilding team.” Man I wish this had happened. I was way off on DHop’s value, obviously. Would have had our Dlineman, RB stud, the guard we need now (Torrance had the second most snaps by any guard last year, in his very first season!, and still have landed Ojulari (called that one!). I remember that. There were several of us who liked Carter, minus the off field stuff. I also pushed hard for him and Bijan
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 4, 2024 7:48:58 GMT -7
I also pushed hard for him and Bijan Bijan I like A LOT
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Post by belac44 on Apr 4, 2024 8:32:43 GMT -7
Maybe he gets past his red flags coming out and remains a great player and pick. I would probably wait more than one year before telling people they were wrong on him. Cards do not have the luxury of risky picks, they cannot miss on any more first round selections. They were in a better position to risk Nkimdiche and that still burned them.
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Post by Dry Heat on Apr 4, 2024 10:04:46 GMT -7
Maybe he gets past his red flags coming out and remains a great player and pick. I would probably wait more than one year before telling people they were wrong on him. Cards do not have the luxury of risky picks, they cannot miss on any more first round selections. They were in a better position to risk Nkimdiche and that still burned them. Yes, after Nkemdiche and a few others, we just weren’t going to roll the dice on a guy. I hope for his sake he stays on a good path and has a great career.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 4, 2024 15:51:08 GMT -7
Maybe he gets past his red flags coming out and remains a great player and pick. I would probably wait more than one year before telling people they were wrong on him. Cards do not have the luxury of risky picks, they cannot miss on any more first round selections. They were in a better position to risk Nkimdiche and that still burned them. I wasn't mad we didn't take him despite wanting him. My issue were 'uninformed' folks acting like the dude didn't have talent. It's like saying Nkemdiche didn't have talent when all that dude did was beat double teams Alabama sent at him. Not drafting due to red flags is one thing. But for folks to act like those guys didn't have the actual tools is another. Or to act like guys who have a 96 rating are a sure 'generational' thing when they deny guys with a 99 rating aren't. That's the part I take huge issue with. Arguing a 96 is generational but a 99 isn't is about as absurd is saying 2+2=5. Carter rated higher than Bosa, Nkemdiche, Will Anderson, Quinnen Williams, Travon Walker, etc... not just at a position of need, but on the interior DL which is almost impossible to find. While he had some conditioning issues, he produced more playing limited snaps than guys who play the entire game. Plus, lots of interior DL have conditioning issues. Dan Williams and others did when we drafted them. And you know what. I'd rather have a Dan Williams playing 60% snaps and being effective, than Fotu playing 100% and being so-so.Look at the 2022 draft when Travon Walker was taken first. That guy had a 97 rating. As I've mentioned before, you're not considered generational unless you hit 98+. People might think 96 is good enough, but the difference between a 95-96 and 98 is huge. It's the difference between being Alt or Joe Thomas. So folks throwing the generational term around for MHJ, by their logic, is like saying Alt is going to be as good as Joe Thomas. Could he be? Maybe. But is he projected to be? Heck no. I settled on Will Anderson once I knew Carter wouldn't be an option, but talent wise, Anderson had more holes in his game than Carter did. And other than a QB, Carter was the only other guy that was probably worth a top-3 pick. (That's based on talent - not counting legal troubles) I say that because interior guys usually develop more slowly than edge guys do. Dan Williams is a perfect example. He took a few years to develop before coming an anchor for us). Big NT's/DT's usually have to work on conditioning/diet when they enter the league because it's not as big an issue in college. Often, once they get the conditioning/diet stuff fixed, production doubles. I'm not talking about sacks mind you, but the NT being the right place, eating up double teams, freeing up LBs. As Dan improved, our LB's made a lot more plays.
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Post by belac44 on Apr 4, 2024 23:49:34 GMT -7
Maybe he gets past his red flags coming out and remains a great player and pick. I would probably wait more than one year before telling people they were wrong on him. Cards do not have the luxury of risky picks, they cannot miss on any more first round selections. They were in a better position to risk Nkimdiche and that still burned them. I wasn't mad we didn't take him despite wanting him. My issue were 'uninformed' folks acting like the dude didn't have talent. It's like saying Nkemdiche didn't have talent when all that dude did was beat double teams Alabama sent at him. Not drafting due to red flags is one thing. But for folks to act like those guys didn't have the actual tools is another. Or to act like guys who have a 96 rating are a sure 'generational' thing when they deny guys with a 99 rating aren't. That's the part I take huge issue with. Arguing a 96 is generational but a 99 isn't is about as absurd is saying 2+2=5. Carter rated higher than Bosa, Nkemdiche, Will Anderson, Quinnen Williams, Travon Walker, etc... not just at a position of need, but on the interior DL which is almost impossible to find. While he had some conditioning issues, he produced more playing limited snaps than guys who play the entire game. Plus, lots of interior DL have conditioning issues. Dan Williams and others did when we drafted them. And you know what. I'd rather have a Dan Williams playing 60% snaps and being effective, than Fotu playing 100% and being so-so.Look at the 2022 draft when Travon Walker was taken first. That guy had a 97 rating. As I've mentioned before, you're not considered generational unless you hit 98+. People might think 96 is good enough, but the difference between a 95-96 and 98 is huge. It's the difference between being Alt or Joe Thomas. So folks throwing the generational term around for MHJ, by their logic, is like saying Alt is going to be as good as Joe Thomas. Could he be? Maybe. But is he projected to be? Heck no. I settled on Will Anderson once I knew Carter wouldn't be an option, but talent wise, Anderson had more holes in his game than Carter did. And other than a QB, Carter was the only other guy that was probably worth a top-3 pick. (That's based on talent - not counting legal troubles) I say that because interior guys usually develop more slowly than edge guys do. Dan Williams is a perfect example. He took a few years to develop before coming an anchor for us). Big NT's/DT's usually have to work on conditioning/diet when they enter the league because it's not as big an issue in college. Often, once they get the conditioning/diet stuff fixed, production doubles. I'm not talking about sacks mind you, but the NT being the right place, eating up double teams, freeing up LBs. As Dan improved, our LB's made a lot more plays. Bringing up all his questions outside of character do not help anyone defending his cause. He had a ton of questions about him. I do not remember anyone questioning talent.
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