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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 30, 2024 9:21:51 GMT -7
Except not really interested in the cb.The takes in this video I am in agreement with, Where are you now ?
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 30, 2024 10:50:55 GMT -7
Best case might be Monti getting an acceptable Vikings trade in place pre-draft (#11, #23 and 2025 1st) as well as in place for a move back up to #6-8. Possible?
My dream scenario right now would be that Vikings trade and Odunze (or Nabers) still falling to #11, then finding BPA of DL, OLB, and CB (or maybe LG) out of picks #23, #27 and #35. That would plug a lot of holes and still leave us with two 1st rounders in 2025. The three 3rd rounders could then be used for one more WR plus two BPA.
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Post by respecttheprocess on Mar 30, 2024 11:16:10 GMT -7
WR room is currently empty. You take Harrison. Or you trade no further down then the Giants and take your #2 WR on the board because Harrison will be taken by the Chargers.
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Post by devongent on Mar 30, 2024 12:25:49 GMT -7
WR room is currently empty. Logic would say this is the FO's number one priority position, and you must think they would like to get one with the top pick. We don't know how they rate and compare between Harrison, Nabers and Odunze, so there is little point wasting too much time worrying about it. The real question to consider is if we traded back to around the #11 to #13 range (assuming we get a haul of additional picks, which is deemed too good to pass over), then MUST we draft a WR? - I don't think we do, and some options to consider are - 1) Cornerback - I am not a fan of taking Cooper DeJean (certainly so high in the draft for sure). - Quinyon Mitchell is the most likely candidate, he has lots of potential and upside and I think the only CB worth considering in the #12 range. 'Small school' and 'too much risk' I hear people say, and there is an element of truth with that. - Maybe our scouting team have done a thorough assessment job and are convinced. Whatever, CB is a premium position and we are in need of a true outside 'shutdown' CB1, and some might say they are harder to find than an equivalent WR1. 2) Edge rusher - Currently a big weakness, our ability to generate QB pressure. Of the leading contenders Dallas Turner is universally linked with the Falcons #8 (perhaps there is no smoke without fire) and then there is Laiatu Latu. Personally, I cannot look past his past injury situation and I just feel cold thinking of signing him at all (perhaps I am being unfair on the guy, but you would think it must be a factor for any team and certainly so high up in the draft). My favorite here is Jared Verse, and I consider around #12 is fair enough and where he might be taken. 3) O-Line - Yes, we have recruited our 'missing' Tackle in Free Agency, so we must be settled and fine, right? - Perhaps so, but if a special type of player was available (again around #12) then would Monti worry on this? That's a real question to think about. - I still harbor thoughts that Olu Fashanu could be a real star in NFL, given time to develop and acclimatize. He has fantastic foot speed, is real strong and a good head on his shoulders. A comparison with Joe Alt is an intriguing one, and although Alt may be a step ahead of Fashanu coming out of college, it doesn't follow Alt will have the better NFL career. My money is on Fashanu whatever people might say. - If we did take a Tackle then the new man, Paris Johnson Jr or Jonah Williams would have to be re-deployed to Left Guard. Do I care? No, as long as the player can cut it inside and we end up with one of the best O-lines in the NFL. So, to answer the opening thread question, the above is where I am now. Most likely it will be a Receiver coming to Arizona with our first pick, and I am not against this at all. However, if we do Trade Down and select our first pick elsewhere, then (IMO) it's not the disaster some are thinking. - There are other quality WR's available, and we can get two in a bit lower down. I like the idea of the Minnesota trade because that #23 pick would be real handy and I believe will bag us another quality player. Whatever, say we used #27 and #35 on two WR's, then would you feel let down and deflated I ask...?
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 30, 2024 12:30:07 GMT -7
I'm pretty much at the same place now that I was months ago. Though the signing of Jonah Williams has relieved one of the critical needs and my personal opinion the top two priority needs on this roster are still wide receiver and left yard. If the top three wide receivers really are that close and all the evaluations then ball means the Cardinals should trade down at least with the Giants two spots where they would still get one of the top three wide receivers and gain additional picks. If the Cardinals have their some separation between the three wide receivers then it's going to be a tough decision. And I'll say it again for the probably 500 time if we don't find out whether or not Kyler Murray is going to be the quarterback of the future and that means we fix the wide receiver room and we acquire a quality left guard then I simply do not care how bad the defense is.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 30, 2024 14:31:25 GMT -7
Where am I? My fundamental question is unchanged: Is the OL/DL fixed enough to allow the team to now draft a glamor WR? We've all harped at this Forum for years about pathetically weak OL/DL starters and the PS backup's performances. We got some talent in the trenches now, on that I agree, but is that talent enough for the team to move up the ladder and avoid having to rent the NFCW basement again in Jan 2025?
I sense the Forum members' angst, above, about drafting a marque player and being unsure if 'he's the right guy' for the team's most pressing needs in 2024. That ansgt might be overstated or understated to a degree. How so? The Cardinals have 11 picks now and might push that tally to an obscene number (12+), thus, ensuring that the OL/DL finally get fixed, AND some durable and reliable scorers also are drafted as well.
I guess it's fair to say I'm more optimistic now than I was this time last year.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 30, 2024 15:32:32 GMT -7
This is where I am and would love for the draft to go --
- Bears - Caleb Williams QB USC
- Commanders- Jaydon Daniels QB, LSU
- Patriots - Drake Maye QB, NC
- TRADE - Vikings = JJ McCarthy QB, Michigan (Cardinals receive #11, #23, 2025 1st rounder and 2026 4th rounder)
- Chargers - Malik Nabers WR, LSU
- Giants - MHJ, WR Ohio State
- Titans - Joe Alt T, Notre Dame
- TRADE - Falcons # 8 for Cardinals #11 - #71 - 2025 5th rounder (Rome Odunze WR, Washington)
- Bears - Disappointed they don't get Odunze so they go either Jared Verse Edge FSU or Dallas Turner Edge, Alabama
- Jets - Brock Bowers TE, Georgia
- Falcons - Dallas Turner Edge Falcons or Jared Verse FSU (read an Atlanta article that says the Falcons liked Verse last year had he declared).
- Broncos, Bo Nix QB, Oregon
Cardinals would have these picks/possible players in the top 104 of the draft: - #8 - Rome Odunze WR Washington
- #23 - Byron Murphy JR DT, Texas
- #27 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson
- #35 - Latu Edge, UCLA, Chop Robinson Edge Penn State or Darius Robinson Edge Missouri
- #66 - WR2 - Pearsall, Polk, Roman Wilson, Corley, J. Burton - Alabama, B. Rice - USC (of course if by #66, there are 3+ of these guys available, Monti could trade back 7-12 spots and get an extra 4th).
- #90 - Zak Zinter Guard Michigan
- #104 - Jaylen Wright RB, TN 5'11" 210 lbs Avg 7.4 Yds/Carry and ran a 4.38 40 at combine [JC's replacement after 2024]
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 30, 2024 15:37:13 GMT -7
This is where I am and would love for the draft to go --
- Bears - Caleb Williams QB USC
- Commanders- Jaydon Daniels QB, LSU
- Patriots - Drake Maye QB, NC
- TRADE - Vikings = JJ McCarthy QB, Michigan (Cardinals receive #11, #23, 2025 1st rounder and 2026 4th rounder)
- Chargers - Malik Nabers WR, LSU
- Giants - MHJ, WR Ohio State
- Titans - Joe Alt T, Notre Dame
- TRADE - Falcons # 8 for Cardinals #11 - #71 - 2025 5th rounder (Rome Odunze WR, Washington)
- Bears - Disappointed they don't get Odunze so they go either Jared Verse Edge FSU or Dallas Turner Edge, Alabama
- Jets - Brock Bowers TE, Georgia
- Falcons - Dallas Turner Edge Falcons or Jared Verse FSU (read an Atlanta article that says the Falcons liked Verse last year had he declared).
- Broncos, Bo Nix QB, Oregon
Cardinals would have these picks/possible players in the top 104 of the draft: - #8 - Rome Odunze WR Washington
- #23 - Byron Murphy JR DT, Texas
- #27 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson
- #35 - Latu Edge, UCLA, Chop Robinson Edge Penn State or Darius Robinson Edge Missouri
- #66 - WR2 - Pearsall, Polk, Roman Wilson, Corley, J. Burton - Alabama, B. Rice - USC (of course if by #66, there are 3+ of these guys available, Monti could trade back 7-12 spots and get an extra 4th).
- #90 - Zak Zinter Guard Michigan
- #104 - Jaylen Wright RB, TN 5'11" 210 lbs Avg 7.4 Yds/Carry and ran a 4.38 40 at combine [JC's replacement after 2024]
This would do wonders for our roster, and give us two firsts next year as well.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 30, 2024 15:38:17 GMT -7
Where am I? My fundamental question is unchanged: Is the OL/DL fixed enough to allow the team to now draft a glamor WR? We've all harped at this Forum for years about pathetically weak OL/DL starters and the PS backup's performances. We got some talent in the trenches now, on that I agree, but is that talent enough for the team to move up the ladder and avoid having to rent the NFCW basement again in Jan 2025? I sense the Forum members' angst, above, about drafting a marque player and being unsure if 'he's the right guy' for the team's most pressing needs in 2024. That ansgt might be overstated or understated to a degree. How so? The Cardinals have 11 picks now and might push that tally to an obscene number (12+), thus, ensuring that the OL/DL finally get fixed, AND some durable and reliable scorers also are drafted as well. I guess it's fair to say I'm more optimistic now than I was this time last year. I don’t see any talent on the Dline. Edge is bad. LB is bad. CB is bad. Our defense needs WORK.
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 30, 2024 16:13:43 GMT -7
People keep mentioning chargers taking mhj at 5 it cards trade down. But look at the head coach. He prefers a big bruising back and control the game with the run. Don't think wr is a priority to them with hardbaugh at HC
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 30, 2024 20:50:47 GMT -7
I don't think Minnesota will pay the asking price some here are suggesting. I think you get the two first rounds picks and next years third or they sit tight and take who falls to them. The obvious trade down spot is the Giants if they trade out. Heck Minnesota might draft two Qb's lol.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 30, 2024 22:38:36 GMT -7
I don't think Minnesota will pay the asking price some here are suggesting. I think you get the two first rounds picks and next years third or they sit tight and take who falls to them. The obvious trade down spot is the Giants if they trade out. Heck Minnesota might draft two Qb's lol. Safest move is to try and get Giants #6, #47 and maybe #107 for #4. Might still get the WR we wanted at #4, plus get a valuable 2nd rounder and with #107 will get one of our top 100 on our board. I don’t think the Chargers will take Harrison, but they might, as they let all their top WR’s go. If Chargers take Alt, we could land Harrison/Nabers/Odunze (our top WR), #27, #35, #47, #66, #71, #90, #104 and #107…our top target plus 8 more players in our top 100 draft board. That would be a ridiculous haul, plus four more picks to go. It’s my opinion rn, but I think Nabers is the best overall WR in this draft and Odunze and MHJ are the best FOR US. As of right now I’d be thrilled with any one of them as our WR1.
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Post by devongent on Mar 31, 2024 1:03:31 GMT -7
Cardinals would have these picks/possible players in the top 104 of the draft: - #8 - Rome Odunze WR Washington
- #23 - Byron Murphy JR DT, Texas
- #27 - Nate Wiggins CB Clemson
- #35 - Latu Edge, UCLA, Chop Robinson Edge Penn State or Darius Robinson Edge Missouri
- #66 - WR2 - Pearsall, Polk, Roman Wilson, Corley, J. Burton - Alabama, B. Rice - USC (of course if by #66, there are 3+ of these guys available, Monti could trade back 7-12 spots and get an extra 4th).
- #90 - Zak Zinter Guard Michigan
- #104 - Jaylen Wright RB, TN 5'11" 210 lbs Avg 7.4 Yds/Carry and ran a 4.38 40 at combine [JC's replacement after 2024]
Nice spread and with the number of higher end picks we have this time, then we should be able to cover a lot of bases. My concern within your list is Zak Zinter at Guard. Is he going to be playing in 2024? - I would wish address this position higher!
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Post by devongent on Mar 31, 2024 1:07:44 GMT -7
I don't think Minnesota will pay the asking price some here are suggesting. I think you get the two first rounds picks and next years third or they sit tight and take who falls to them. I think you right Redbird; the cow can only be milked for so much and there comes a point they may as well stick and draft their two picks. Maybe we could winkle out next years second from them, rather than the third? - Either way 'an accommodation' should be possible.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 31, 2024 2:46:00 GMT -7
I don't think Minnesota will pay the asking price some here are suggesting. I think you get the two first rounds picks and next years third or they sit tight and take who falls to them. The obvious trade down spot is the Giants if they trade out. Heck Minnesota might draft two Qb's lol. Safest move is to try and get Giants #6, #47 and maybe #107 for #4. Might still get the WR we wanted at #4, plus get a valuable 2nd rounder and with #107 will get one of our top 100 on our board. I don’t think the Chargers will take Harrison, but they might, as they let all their top WR’s go. If Chargers take Alt, we could land Harrison/Nabers/Odunze (our top WR), #27, #35, #47, #66, #71, #90, #104 and #107…our top target plus 8 more players in our top 100 draft board. That would be a ridiculous haul, plus four more picks to go. It’s my opinion rn, but I think Nabers is the best overall WR in this draft and Odunze and MHJ are the best FOR US. As of right now I’d be thrilled with any one of them as our WR1. The NYG owner said publicly that he wants a QB from this Draft. Did MIN also advertise their desire to jump the line and grab a QB? The MIN brain trust is silent as far as I can tell. However their fanbase is screaming options. This article, below, lays down numerous scenarios for MIN to draft their QB. A juicy one includes the Cardinals moving out of #4 and having "3" first rounders in 2024. www.foxsports.com/stories/nfl/nfl-draft-trade-scenarios-how-vikings-can-get-qb-they-want
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