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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 25, 2024 13:23:19 GMT -7
For those Odunze fans -- here is an article I found from the NFL Combine (6.88 3-Cone is excellent for someone 6'3"): Odunze working hard at NFL Combine - Never SatisfiedJV podcast pointed out Matt Miller of ESPN says the Viking are "slobbering" over getting JJ McCarthy. Also the Giants are "extremely" interested in JJ McCarthy. BTW: I just heard Sean Payton (Coach of Broncos) at the NFL meetings in Orlando just stated "sure is good to be Monti from the Cardinals" when SP was asked about teams needing QB's. Jets traded up from #6 to #3 in 2018 to get Sam Darnold and gave the Colts - #6, #37, #49 and a 2019 2nd rounder. The NY Giants must be reminded of this trade because the Giants look at Drake Maye and JJ McCarthy pretty equally so for the Giants pick #4 is almost the same value as trading up to #3. B ased on the draft capital of the Darnold trade, it would appear Monti's MINIMUM trade with the Giants would garner #6 - #47 - #70 and a 2025 1st or 2nd rounder. At #6, Monti would be guaranteed to get either MHJ or Odunze as WR1. I then wonder if the Panthers would trade Derrick Brown to the Cardinals for #47 and the "extra" 2025 1st rounder from a trade with the NY Giants ?? It would appear Monti is going to get some attractive trade down offers from the Vikings, Giants and possibly the Broncos. Another thing working in Monti's favor is the 2025 QB draft class is considered to be far less attractive than the 2024 QB draft class. This interview shows everything Odunze is about and everyone struggling through the MHJ vs Nabers/Odunze thing should watch it: As a contrast, watch MHJ being interviewed here. Classy and humble. A more quiet guy. More a Larry Fitz type in professionalism. Another must watch MHJ interview with McAfee. Professional, friendly, well taught, seems like a good kid. Not outgoing as Odunze, I don’t detect as much as a “dawg” mentality, as much desire, as much of a potential mean streak. He really reminds me of Fitz in interviews when he was younger. It comes down to what we want. MHJ and Odunze are same height, Odunze a bit heavier and stronger, Harrison more slender and flexible. Odunze catches 50/50 balls at a ridiculous 75% clip…off-shoulder and down the sideline stuff he can’t be beat. In the first interview they mention that’s the 6th best of any WR coming out of college in the history of the stat. MHJ has the bigger name, naturally. His dad is a recent Pro Bowl, HOF NFL stud. He grew up around the NFL, with money and training available to the kid of a star. Odunze has none of those benefits, but at the same point in his life has basically the same stats and rating coming out of college. That tells me he did much more than MHJ, because he had to want it that bad to do it himself. Needed the dawg mentality instead of the best prep schools, trainers, JUGGS machines in the giant backyard, and AI development tools. Odunze is the bigger dawg of the two IMO, and will have a desire to be the best based on internal fire instead of outside expectations of his dad, the NFL and the media. Odunze (and Nabers) are always going to out to perform better than MHJ.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 25, 2024 14:28:43 GMT -7
I'm a fan of Odunze for more reasons than catch rate, hands, height, weight, 40 speed, etc. What about the fight in the dawg? I think he stands heads and shoulders as a competitor. He had the guts to show up at the Combine where he put on a show for everyone. How about the Combine no show? Harrison. Does MHJ have the mental strength to play for the Cardinals for the length of a rookie contract? If there is any question about MHJ's commitment to the struggle, then I'd pass on him and go to the next WR option. Not a lot of college players dream about playing for a Cardinals team that has struggled to break .500 each year since 1920. I think Odunze is a better fit for the Cardinals overall. Let Harrison go to the big media stage. That's what he wants anyway. Maybe this can help clear things somewhat. RB62, thanks. I saw the YT video earlier. I watched a lot of live NCAAF football in 2023 and the contributions WRs made to the plays when they were not the target. I don't know all the FB intangibles but do know when a guy is 100% into teamwork. I paid the price with the DoD for 46 years and know when a grunt is checked out. Both MHJ and Odunze excel at teamwork. If there is a difference I don't see it when these guys are not the target. I won't be upset if we get either WR. I will cry myself to sleep for one night if we don't get one of them.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 25, 2024 16:03:34 GMT -7
Maybe this can help clear things somewhat. RB62, thanks. I saw the YT video earlier. I watched a lot of live NCAAF football in 2023 and the contributions WRs made to the plays when they were not the target. I don't know all the FB intangibles but do know when a guy is 100% into teamwork. I paid the price with the DoD for 46 years and know when a grunt is checked out. Both MHJ and Odunze excel at teamwork. If there is a difference I don't see it when these guys are not the target. I won't be upset if we get either WR. I will cry myself to sleep for one night if we don't get one of them. The difference between odunze he has to fight off defense with strength and doen't separate and he is good with pressure on him. Harrison is the best at separating from defenses and running away from the defense. Nabers to has the issue even with all the speed still can't get defenders off him and other bad habits. Breakaway speed exist with Harrison and Nabers but the guy that runs the best routes get's open I will take that guy. They compared his speed to the team mate of Nabers Harrison does everything well the other two need work now who would you rather have as your number 1 wr. If Harrison not participating in the underwear olympics has you deciding on Odunze over Harrison you are deciding on maybe the third best. I actually like Adonai Mitchell morev then Odunze. I guess now it's time for the waiting game and we will see.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 25, 2024 16:06:41 GMT -7
Maybe this can help clear things somewhat. RB62, thanks. I saw the YT video earlier. I watched a lot of live NCAAF football in 2023 and the contributions WRs made to the plays when they were not the target. I don't know all the FB intangibles but do know when a guy is 100% into teamwork. I paid the price with the DoD for 46 years and know when a grunt is checked out. Both MHJ and Odunze excel at teamwork. If there is a difference I don't see it when these guys are not the target. I won't be upset if we get either WR. I will cry myself to sleep for one night if we don't get one of them. Tell you what. You take MHJ, and no one is surprised, and in a few years his dad is telling him what’s best for his career for his first big contract. AZ is a chapter in the book. Give a guy like Odunze the call and tell him you believe in him as the #1 WR over all the prognosticators…do the unexpected thing because you believed in him…he may well be a Cardinal for life.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 26, 2024 4:29:10 GMT -7
Jorden Reed of "Purple Persuasion" says the Vikings will offer the Patriots a package of #11, #23 and 2025 1st rounder to move up to #3. Well-Well-Well - This is the package rumored that Monti wants for #4 (maybe even a 2025 4th rounder "sweetener" as well) with the Vikings. This "report" also states the Vikings at #3 would choose either Drake Maye or Jaydon Daniels. Sounds to me like Mr. Reed who writes for a Vikings fan site (and works with ESPN) has leaked this story to get Monti to lower his sights on draft compensation for #4 IMO. I think Jaydon Daniels is going to the Commanders at #2. So are the Patriots really going to have Jacoby Brissett as their 2024 QB and then select from a poor 2025 QB draft rather than drafting this year ... seems very unlikely ? Remember next year the top QB is Deion's son and "Prime-time" already said he will have his son manipulate the 2025 draft in order to only be selected by certain teams. WF posted their latest stock up/down and there are many players I like including Odunze and Missouri Edge/DL Darius Robinson moving up - WalterFootball Latest Stock UP/Down
If the report above about the Patriots - Vikings is just a report to have Monti lower his demand for #4, I still could get excited over the Cards drafting these 4 players in the first 35 AND having the Vikings 2025 1st rounder - #11 - Byron Murphy, Jr. (#1 DT) #23 - Brian Thomas or A. Mitchell, Texas (Thomas will most likely already be drafted but Mitchell at #23 is reasonable for this spot.) #27 - Nate Wiggins CB, Clemson #35 - Darius Robinson Edge Missouri or Chop Robinson Penn State Edge Then at Pick #66 or #71 because no MHJ, double up on WR's and at least a few of these choices will be available at top of 3rd round: - Ricky Pearsall - Florida
- Roman Wilson - Michigan
- Malachi Corley - Western Ky.
- Jermaine Burton - Alabama
- Ja’Lynn Polk - Washington
- Ladd McConkey - Georgia
- Devontez Walker, North Carolina
- Brenden Rice - USC
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Post by End Zone on Mar 26, 2024 7:10:22 GMT -7
Jorden Reed of "Purple Persuasion" says the Vikings will offer the Patriots a package of #11, #23 and 2025 1st rounder to move up to #3. Well-Well-Well - This is the package rumored that Monti wants for #4 (maybe even a 2025 4th rounder "sweetener" as well) with the Vikings. This "report" also states the Vikings at #3 would choose either Drake Maye or Jaydon Daniels. Sounds to me like Mr. Reed who writes for a Vikings fan site (and works with ESPN) has leaked this story to get Monti to lower his sights on draft compensation for #4 IMO. I think Jaydon Daniels is going to the Commanders at #2. So are the Patriots really going to have Jacoby Brissett as their 2024 QB and then select from a poor 2025 QB draft rather than drafting this year ... seems very unlikely ? Remember next year the top QB is Deion's son and "Prime-time" already said he will have his son manipulate the 2025 draft in order to only be selected by certain teams. WF posted their latest stock up/down and there are many players I like including Odunze and Missouri Edge/DL Darius Robinson moving up - WalterFootball Latest Stock UP/Down
If the report above about the Patriots - Vikings is just a report to have Monti lower his demand for #4, I still could get excited over the Cards drafting these 4 players in the first 35 AND having the Vikings 2025 1st rounder - #11 - Byron Murphy, Jr. (#1 DT) #23 - Brian Thomas or A. Mitchell, Texas (Thomas will most likely already be drafted but Mitchell at #23 is reasonable for this spot.) #27 - Nate Wiggins CB, Clemson #35 - Darius Robinson Edge Missouri or Chop Robinson Penn State Edge Then at Pick #66 or #71 because no MHJ, double up on WR's and at least a few of these choices will be available at top of 3rd round: - Ricky Pearsall - Florida
- Roman Wilson - Michigan
- Malachi Corley - Western Ky.
- Jermaine Burton - Alabama
- Ja’Lynn Polk - Washington
- Ladd McConkey - Georgia
- Devontez Walker, North Carolina
- Brenden Rice - USC
This looks like a decent draft group overall, #11-35. WR Thomas fits the bill for a tall receiver. He also has a nice LSU work resume to go with the physical traits. With an exceptionally weak QB class in 2025, GMs needing a QB might panic in 2024. Monti is in a great spot at#4. He can dictate terms to a bidder. I saw NYG owner talking about going after a QB. NYG is at #6 and in the perfect spot for ARZ. I'm not buying MIN's fan's bluff game.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 26, 2024 7:12:25 GMT -7
RB62, thanks. I saw the YT video earlier. I watched a lot of live NCAAF football in 2023 and the contributions WRs made to the plays when they were not the target. I don't know all the FB intangibles but do know when a guy is 100% into teamwork. I paid the price with the DoD for 46 years and know when a grunt is checked out. Both MHJ and Odunze excel at teamwork. If there is a difference I don't see it when these guys are not the target. I won't be upset if we get either WR. I will cry myself to sleep for one night if we don't get one of them. Tell you what. You take MHJ, and no one is surprised, and in a few years his dad is telling him what’s best for his career for his first big contract. AZ is a chapter in the book. Give a guy like Odunze the call and tell him you believe in him as the #1 WR over all the prognosticators…do the unexpected thing because you believed in him…he may well be a Cardinal for life. For the reasons you state, I prefer Odunze over Harrison. I think the latter is a problem in the future if he isn't satisfied with the team's finishes. We've seen this movie countless times in the past.
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Post by flash on Mar 26, 2024 7:37:47 GMT -7
RB62, thanks. I saw the YT video earlier. I watched a lot of live NCAAF football in 2023 and the contributions WRs made to the plays when they were not the target. I don't know all the FB intangibles but do know when a guy is 100% into teamwork. I paid the price with the DoD for 46 years and know when a grunt is checked out. Both MHJ and Odunze excel at teamwork. If there is a difference I don't see it when these guys are not the target. I won't be upset if we get either WR. I will cry myself to sleep for one night if we don't get one of them. Tell you what. You take MHJ, and no one is surprised, and in a few years his dad is telling him what’s best for his career for his first big contract. AZ is a chapter in the book. Give a guy like Odunze the call and tell him you believe in him as the #1 WR over all the prognosticators…do the unexpected thing because you believed in him…he may well be a Cardinal for life. This is just speculation D.H....Like you know what Marvin's Dad will advise...
Wasn't Larry one of the highest paid WR's or close to it during his tenure here? If Marvin turns out to be even almost as good as Fitz, he will more than likely get paid accordingly.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 26, 2024 9:31:23 GMT -7
Tell you what. You take MHJ, and no one is surprised, and in a few years his dad is telling him what’s best for his career for his first big contract. AZ is a chapter in the book. Give a guy like Odunze the call and tell him you believe in him as the #1 WR over all the prognosticators…do the unexpected thing because you believed in him…he may well be a Cardinal for life. This is just speculation D.H....Like you know what Marvin's Dad will advise...
Wasn't Larry one of the highest paid WR's or close to it during his tenure here? If Marvin turns out to be even almost as good as Fitz, he will more than likely get paid accordingly.
It is just speculation, based on experience. Let’s call it an educated guess. I will say MHJ’s character seems solid. Humble, quiet and hard working. I don’t think it’s ever a good thing to have the highest paid WR. I think everyone here knows how much I love Fitz. At the same time, I have a hard time with a WR as a #1 pick. WR1 is a huge hole for us right now, however, so I’m ok with it. I’m mainly concerned with getting the right WR1.
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Post by AZBarbarian on Mar 26, 2024 10:19:06 GMT -7
This is just speculation D.H....Like you know what Marvin's Dad will advise...
Wasn't Larry one of the highest paid WR's or close to it during his tenure here? If Marvin turns out to be even almost as good as Fitz, he will more than likely get paid accordingly.
It is just speculation, based on experience. Let’s call it an educated guess. I will say MHJ’s character seems solid. Humble, quiet and hard working. I don’t think it’s ever a good thing to have the highest paid WR. I think everyone here knows how much I love Fitz. At the same time, I have a hard time with a WR as a #1 pick. WR1 is a huge hole for us right now, however, so I’m ok with it. I’m mainly concerned with getting the right WR1. You're talking about the Marvin Harrison who played his entire career for the Indianapolis Colts, right?
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 26, 2024 11:46:14 GMT -7
It is just speculation, based on experience. Let’s call it an educated guess. I will say MHJ’s character seems solid. Humble, quiet and hard working. I don’t think it’s ever a good thing to have the highest paid WR. I think everyone here knows how much I love Fitz. At the same time, I have a hard time with a WR as a #1 pick. WR1 is a huge hole for us right now, however, so I’m ok with it. I’m mainly concerned with getting the right WR1. You're talking about the Marvin Harrison who played his entire career for the Indianapolis Colts, right? I’m talking about Jr, who lets his dad speak before him in interviews and apparently has dad instead of an agent. I just get nervous when family is overly involved in a kid’s career. Years and years of club baseball coaching and observing many of the fathers who are control freaks. The boys perform for their dad’s approval, not love of the game. As flash said, it’s speculation, and I own it. Hope I’m wrong whether we draft him or not.
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Post by devongent on Mar 26, 2024 13:06:21 GMT -7
I’ve read numerous posts on this board about trading out of the #4 spot…but for what??? If it’s Minnesota…what amounts to swapping first round picks and picking up another late round first rounder? So now you have (3) firsts instead of (2). Is it worth just that? Going back to the original thread question. I think most posters on the forum are looking for 'extra' to the #11 and #23 picks from the Vikings. Whether this possibly could amount to another 1st-Rounder in 2025 I don't know, but perhaps they might offer the Cardinals #11, #23 and 2nd-Round 2025...? - What might people think on such an offer, would you take that? I get that many are set on drafting Harrison 'come what may' and I respect people's opinion on this (For instance I have tried tempting flash off from the straight & narrow with some scenarios in the past, but he is 'not for turning' and I admire his steadfastness and fortitude). I believe there will be some seriously talented players available #23, and I just wonder whether the 'worth of this pick' is being undervalued by some? - An 'extra' player along the lines of a Jackson Powers-Johnson (Guard), Zer'Zhan Newton (DL), Nate Wiggins (CB) or one of the several WR's likely to be on offer in this range (perhaps Brian Thomas Jr). - Just saying, the option for an additional first-rounder is not to be sneezed at. Also, as mentioned before, there is the possibility of a Trade-Up from #11, so we may still be able to snag one the top-three ranked WR's.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 26, 2024 13:50:21 GMT -7
Jorden Reed of "Purple Persuasion" says the Vikings will offer the Patriots a package of #11, #23 and 2025 1st rounder to move up to #3. Well-Well-Well - This is the package rumored that Monti wants for #4 (maybe even a 2025 4th rounder "sweetener" as well) with the Vikings. This "report" also states the Vikings at #3 would choose either Drake Maye or Jaydon Daniels. Sounds to me like Mr. Reed who writes for a Vikings fan site (and works with ESPN) has leaked this story to get Monti to lower his sights on draft compensation for #4 IMO. I think Jaydon Daniels is going to the Commanders at #2. So are the Patriots really going to have Jacoby Brissett as their 2024 QB and then select from a poor 2025 QB draft rather than drafting this year ... seems very unlikely ? Remember next year the top QB is Deion's son and "Prime-time" already said he will have his son manipulate the 2025 draft in order to only be selected by certain teams. WF posted their latest stock up/down and there are many players I like including Odunze and Missouri Edge/DL Darius Robinson moving up - WalterFootball Latest Stock UP/Down
If the report above about the Patriots - Vikings is just a report to have Monti lower his demand for #4, I still could get excited over the Cards drafting these 4 players in the first 35 AND having the Vikings 2025 1st rounder - #11 - Byron Murphy, Jr. (#1 DT) #23 - Brian Thomas or A. Mitchell, Texas (Thomas will most likely already be drafted but Mitchell at #23 is reasonable for this spot.) #27 - Nate Wiggins CB, Clemson #35 - Darius Robinson Edge Missouri or Chop Robinson Penn State Edge Then at Pick #66 or #71 because no MHJ, double up on WR's and at least a few of these choices will be available at top of 3rd round: - Ricky Pearsall - Florida
- Roman Wilson - Michigan
- Malachi Corley - Western Ky.
- Jermaine Burton - Alabama
- Ja’Lynn Polk - Washington
- Ladd McConkey - Georgia
- Devontez Walker, North Carolina
- Brenden Rice - USC
Bo Nix moving up yet again as well. I wonder if folks still think I was crazy for suggesting we consider taking Daniels or Nix with our second rounder as a QB2? Back then people were telling me pick #35 was too high for Daniels, now he may go #2.
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Post by bonesjones on Mar 26, 2024 14:22:17 GMT -7
I must agree . Tired of trading down for more pics passing off the super talent sort of speaking to good enough players to fill a position . Every time we score some real talent it feels like the rest of the team cant keep up . We lose a lot of talented players feeling like they have to carry the team . Keep the pick and keep building. I agree. I want to take MHJ if he’s there. We need elite talent, not more picks. We already have the most draft capital in the NFL draft this season
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Post by devongent on Mar 26, 2024 15:04:30 GMT -7
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