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Post by supercard on Mar 19, 2024 14:30:44 GMT -7
Over a month left before draft, but the heat is really on several teams. Vikings have committed all in to getting their QBF, no turning back must move up. Starting at 3 then us at 4. Target right now is JJ, sending entire staff to watch his private workout. Giants have reported great interest in JJ. Not to mention the Broncos and Raiders.
So, big spot light falls on Monti. This is a monumental decision for this franchise for next decade. Take MHJ and 80% of fan base is elated and jumping with joy. Or take those picks 11, 23, 27 plus no 1 next year. Finish building a very strong DL, draft a cb1, take a Ladd McConkey type wr. Several to pick from in 2nd or even 3rd.
IF I were GM, I would try to get trade with Giants at 6. We get 6, and their 2nd round pick. There is high odds that Joe Alt is who Chargers want to build their offense around. So, MHJ would be there anyway or at least one of the other two elite receivers. Pickup almost a freebie 2nd round pick. Win win for us.
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Post by JustTwoBeers on Mar 19, 2024 14:53:09 GMT -7
Over a month left before draft, but the heat is really on several teams. Vikings have committed all in to getting their QBF, no turning back must move up. Starting at 3 then us at 4. Target right now is JJ, sending entire staff to watch his private workout. Giants have reported great interest in JJ. Not to mention the Broncos and Raiders. So, big spot light falls on Monti. This is a monumental decision for this franchise for next decade. Take MHJ and 80% of fan base is elated and jumping with joy. Or take those picks 11, 23, 27 plus no 1 next year. Finish building a very strong DL, draft a cb1, take a Ladd McConkey type wr. Several to pick from in 2nd or even 3rd. IF I were GM, I would try to get trade with Giants at 6. We get 6, and their 2nd round pick. There is high odds that Joe Alt is who Chargers want to build their offense around. So, MHJ would be there anyway or at least one of the other two elite receivers. Pickup almost a freebie 2nd round pick. Win win for us. Respectfully, there is no way we get MHJ if we trade our pick. Chargers —who just dumped Allen and Williams—have a huge need for WR and will be 100% drafted MHJ if they have the opportunity. We either take MHJ or we take the two firsts (which is a roll of the dice). There’s no way to get both
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Post by CardsFanQC on Mar 19, 2024 15:54:35 GMT -7
JV on his podcast does feel Monti and the Vikes have had preliminary discussions. The BEST case scenario is the Vikings decide Monti is asking for too much in a move up to #4. Vikings then trade with the Chargers ASSUMING the Cards will just pick MHJ at #4 so JJ McCarthy is still available at #5.
However when Vikings do trade up instead with the Chargers for #5 (less asking price than the Cardinals) on the eve of the draft .... the NY Giants IMMEDIATELY call Monti to trade up 2 spots just ahead of the Vikings so they get JJ McCarthy and provide the Cards with pick #6, #47 and maybe a 2025 3rd or 4th rounder.
Think about it the Vikes then at #5 with just 10 minutes on the clock for pick #5 (and who already have a great WR room) are stuck and must pick one of the OT's or maybe Dallas Turner. Cards at #6 then pick MHJ anyway !!!
The Giants interest in a QB gives Monti negotiating leverage to gain a 2025 1st rounder along with picks #11 & #23 because the Vikings CANNOT let the above scenario occur where they get jumped by the Giants.
If a trade down does occur with the Vikings with the Cardinals also getting a 2025 1st rounder plus: #11 - Byron Murphy Jr. (#1 DL) #23 - Quinyon Mitchell or Nate Wiggins CB (#1 or #2 CB) #27 - Brian Thomas Jr. - WR (probably the #4 best WR) #35 - Edge Laiatu Latu (#1 or #2 Edge but will drop due to some medical concerns).
Might need to flip-flop Brian Thomas to #23 and then one of the CB's at #27.
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Post by supercard on Mar 19, 2024 16:00:10 GMT -7
Monti has both guns loaded, finger on both triggers. He HAS to start firing!! This is a GM’s dream scenario.
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Post by ricardo on Mar 19, 2024 16:45:59 GMT -7
JV on his podcast does feel Monti and the Vikes have had preliminary discussions. The BEST case scenario is the Vikings decide Monti is asking for too much in a move up to #4. Vikings then trade with the Chargers ASSUMING the Cards will just pick MHJ at #4 so JJ McCarthy is still available at #5. However when Vikings do trade up instead with the Chargers for #5 (less asking price than the Cardinals) on the eve of the draft .... the NY Giants IMMEDIATELY call Monti to trade up 2 spots just ahead of the Vikings so they get JJ McCarthy and provide the Cards with pick #6, #47 and maybe a 2025 3rd or 4th rounder. Think about it the Vikes then at #5 with just 10 minutes on the clock for pick #5 (and who already have a great WR room) are stuck and must pick one of the OT's or maybe Dallas Turner. Cards at #6 then pick MHJ anyway !!! The Giants interest in a QB gives Monti negotiating leverage to gain a 2025 1st rounder along with picks #11 & #23 because the Vikings CANNOT let the above scenario occur where they get jumped by the Giants.If a trade down does occur with the Vikings with the Cardinals also getting a 2025 1st rounder plus: #11 - Byron Murphy Jr. (#1 DL) #23 - Quinyon Mitchell or Nate Wiggins CB (#1 or #2 CB) #27 - Brian Thomas Jr. - WR (probably the #4 best WR) #35 - Edge Laiatu Latu (#1 or #2 Edge but will drop due to some medical concerns). Might need to flip-flop Brian Thomas to #23 and then one of the CB's at #27. If the Vikes don't think they can re-sign Justin Jefferson, do they throw his name around in trade talks?
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 19, 2024 18:10:40 GMT -7
It's time for Monty to go full on Billy Bean with the Giants and the Vikings and the broncos. Find out who is the most desperate and then fleece them...
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 20, 2024 10:30:26 GMT -7
Over a month left before draft, but the heat is really on several teams. Vikings have committed all in to getting their QBF, no turning back must move up. Starting at 3 then us at 4. Target right now is JJ, sending entire staff to watch his private workout. Giants have reported great interest in JJ. Not to mention the Broncos and Raiders. So, big spot light falls on Monti. This is a monumental decision for this franchise for next decade. Take MHJ and 80% of fan base is elated and jumping with joy. Or take those picks 11, 23, 27 plus no 1 next year. Finish building a very strong DL, draft a cb1, take a Ladd McConkey type wr. Several to pick from in 2nd or even 3rd. IF I were GM, I would try to get trade with Giants at 6. We get 6, and their 2nd round pick. There is high odds that Joe Alt is who Chargers want to build their offense around. So, MHJ would be there anyway or at least one of the other two elite receivers. Pickup almost a freebie 2nd round pick. Win win for us. Respectfully, there is no way we get MHJ if we trade our pick. Chargers —who just dumped Allen and Williams—have a huge need for WR and will be 100% drafted MHJ if they have the opportunity. We either take MHJ or we take the two firsts (which is a roll of the dice). There’s no way to get both He showed the perfect way to get MHJ and trade back Harbaugh is gonna attack the oline first IMHO.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 20, 2024 10:34:38 GMT -7
JV on his podcast does feel Monti and the Vikes have had preliminary discussions. The BEST case scenario is the Vikings decide Monti is asking for too much in a move up to #4. Vikings then trade with the Chargers ASSUMING the Cards will just pick MHJ at #4 so JJ McCarthy is still available at #5. However when Vikings do trade up instead with the Chargers for #5 (less asking price than the Cardinals) on the eve of the draft .... the NY Giants IMMEDIATELY call Monti to trade up 2 spots just ahead of the Vikings so they get JJ McCarthy and provide the Cards with pick #6, #47 and maybe a 2025 3rd or 4th rounder. Think about it the Vikes then at #5 with just 10 minutes on the clock for pick #5 (and who already have a great WR room) are stuck and must pick one of the OT's or maybe Dallas Turner. Cards at #6 then pick MHJ anyway !!! The Giants interest in a QB gives Monti negotiating leverage to gain a 2025 1st rounder along with picks #11 & #23 because the Vikings CANNOT let the above scenario occur where they get jumped by the Giants.If a trade down does occur with the Vikings with the Cardinals also getting a 2025 1st rounder plus: #11 - Byron Murphy Jr. (#1 DL) #23 - Quinyon Mitchell or Nate Wiggins CB (#1 or #2 CB) #27 - Brian Thomas Jr. - WR (probably the #4 best WR) #35 - Edge Laiatu Latu (#1 or #2 Edge but will drop due to some medical concerns). Might need to flip-flop Brian Thomas to #23 and then one of the CB's at #27. The only way the Vikings trade up with San Diego would be when they are on the clock because there are other Qb needy teams that will jump the Chargers and get the fourth pick Qb bneedy teams know the only pick that assures them a Qb is pick 4 because the top three teams are not gonna trade out and draft a Qb.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 20, 2024 10:43:33 GMT -7
What if the Vikings are ok with, say, McCarthy, Maye OR Nix? Then there would be no need to trade to #4.
I’m hoping they fall in love with McCarthy.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 20, 2024 12:09:51 GMT -7
What if the Vikings are ok with, say, McCarthy, Maye OR Nix? Then there would be no need to trade to #4. I’m hoping they fall in love with McCarthy. that is a strong possibility. That's why Monty has to go Billy Bean. He has to get several teams thinking that the only way they can get the quarterback cuz they want is by making a deal with the Cardinals and they're going to have to pay through the nose. When McCarthy has his personal workout it'll be interesting to see who shows up from the respective interested teams. For example, if the Vikings send their general manager and head coach and no other team since anyone but a scout then that kind of let you know doesn't it? That's why if I was Monty I would be contacting all of these teams For once the Cardinals are now really good position in the draft. Think it was the year 2000 but I'm not sure but it was a year that the Cardinals were more or less forced to draft Leonard Davis a guard that's part number 3 there's no one wanted to trade up for that spot
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Post by flash on Mar 20, 2024 12:31:49 GMT -7
There is one thing I am still trying to figure out. Last draft, we traded down and gained good picks for this draft. Right after the draft, some of you were so happy that we traded down to get more picks this draft. Though by doing that, we missed out on Rookie Defensive Player of the Year. Hmm...I wasn't happy with doing that, but okay. Now you guys want us to trade down again this draft and pass on Marvin...hmm....
Did we not get enough extra picks from that trade down? Did those picks help us with our win/loss record? Just maybe, the Houston pick might help this season. With Jefferson healthy this season, if he can play for most of the season and a new QB, could they pull a "Houston" on us where their 2025 first round pick is #25 or worse? Will we really take the 4th projected WR with the 11th pick? Or would we take the Best Player Available. And the 23rd pick, would we take a WR with that pick? Or the Best Player Available? Are we willing to take a chance our 27th pick for a WR? Or what if we wait till the second round for a WR? Rondale Moore, Andy Isabella and Bryant Johnson did not pan out to well, did they?
If Marvin is there, DRAFT HIM PERIOD!!!!!
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 20, 2024 14:00:52 GMT -7
There is one thing I am still trying to figure out. Last draft, we traded down and gained good picks for this draft. Right after the draft, some of you were so happy that we traded down to get more picks this draft. Though by doing that, we missed out on Rookie Defensive Player of the Year. Hmm...I wasn't happy with doing that, but okay. Now you guys want us to trade down again this draft and pass on Marvin...hmm....
Did we not get enough extra picks from that trade down? Did those picks help us with our win/loss record? Just maybe, the Houston pick might help this season. With Jefferson healthy this season, if he can play for most of the season and a new QB, could they pull a "Houston" on us where their 2025 first round pick is #25 or worse? Will we really take the 4th projected WR with the 11th pick? Or would we take the Best Player Available. And the 23rd pick, would we take a WR with that pick? Or the Best Player Available? Are we willing to take a chance our 27th pick for a WR? Or what if we wait till the second round for a WR? Rondale Moore, Andy Isabella and Bryant Johnson did not pan out to well, did they?
If Marvin is there, DRAFT HIM PERIOD!!!!!
1) Were we going to draft the Defensive Player of the Year with pick #3 last year? Monti said "We were prepared to take a player (at 3)," said GM Monti Ossenfort, who didn't specify who. "We were weighing a couple options." Remember, this was a new GM and Coach with an injured QB1 who hadn’t played well since Oct 2021. For all we know, they were going to take Paris at #3, just 3 picks later. 2) We received picks #12 and #33 as well as Houston’s 2024 1st and 3rd rounders, which will benefit us this year and in the 4-5 years ahead, instead of wasting 1/4 to 1/5 of their contracts in 2023 when we didn’t have a QB1 and had no chance to contend. We did some more moves to get Paris Jr, a massive need, but in general we got Paris Jr plus pick #81 from the Lions, as well as Houston’s 2024 1st and 3rd rounders. We used that Lions pick to gain an additional 2024 3rd rounder. Three of our top 90 picks this draft are a result of that trade, plus we got Paris as our LT for five years cheap and CB Garrett Williams for four years cheap. 3) every trade has risk and reward, and the NFL agreed the trade was an “A” for Monti on trade day. I think we can all agree everything went wrong on the risk side, as Houston performed better than any single NFL power ranking expert ever imagined. Still, here we sit with two starters and three more top 90 picks this season, including pick #27, instead of one Will Anderson Jr. 4) you have to take contracts and the NFL’s cap system and rookie contracts into consideration. We can potentially fill five starting spots due to that trade, all on cheap 4-5 year rookie contracts. This frees up cap to retain top players and sign others in free agency. You build through the draft, and we finally look to have a GM who understands this. 5) using the Houston trade’s 2024 haul, we can add guys like: #27 Edge Chop Robinson, WR Mitchell or Worthy, C Jackson Powers-Johnson, DT Murphy II or Newton, CB DeJean or McKinstry. #71 WR Wilson or Pearsall, DT Sweat or Hall Jr, TE Sanders, RB Allen, or LB Gray or Wallace #90 WR Johnny Wilson or McMillen or Walker, LB Trotter Jr, RB Corum or Shipley, or CB James. Pick 1 of these guys from each round, consider the value of their cheap 4-5 year contracts, add Paris Jr and Garrett Williams, and tell me if you’d give them all up for one Will Anderson Jr. I’d take the five players and contracts.
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Post by BigRedFan on Mar 20, 2024 20:17:03 GMT -7
The heat is on the Giants, Vikings and Patriots. Cardinals are sitting pretty at pick 4. Vikes and Giants want QBOF. Patriots need picks and none of these QBs will help that dumpster fire of a roster. NE is in a full organizational REBUILD. Pats should trade out of #3 for the haul of picks they'll get and I think they will.
IF that happens, MJH will fall into the Cardinals' lap if Ossi and Sears want him. I'm thinking out loud of course.
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Post by devongent on Mar 21, 2024 1:19:32 GMT -7
NE is in a full organizational REBUILD. Pats should trade out of #3 for the haul of picks they'll get and I think they will. My own thoughts entirely. NE need a huge injection of talent on Offense, and should they draft Marvin Harrison Jr this would be the worst possible outcome for the player.
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Post by supercard on Mar 21, 2024 6:25:43 GMT -7
The owners meetings next week, which Monti is attending will be intense for Monti. Constant comings and goings to his suite. Probably just leave door wide open. Vikings will try to just move in. I think it is going to be a done deal on trade down. The dark horses are Raiders and Broncos. I don’t talk with Broncos unless Patrick Surtain is first words out of their mouths.
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