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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 13, 2024 17:06:21 GMT -7
They just paid Jonah Williams don't think T is gonna be a priority with the fourth pick.
Maybe. Williams' $$ is only guaranteed one year...
Could Monti and Co. be thinking a longer term development guy with a later pick?
That's a lot of money for a one year rental and if they go oline I think it's later then the 4th pick for sure and not with our first pick wherever it is.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 13, 2024 17:08:39 GMT -7
Welcome to Arizona Marvin...
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 13, 2024 17:41:52 GMT -7
Well the problem is, let's say that gret play at four is mhj. He is only as good as the QB. Fitz had some great years under warner and palmer. By the in between years he was not that much of an impact. Oline should be priority imo They just paid Jonah Williams don't think T is gonna be a priority with the fourth pick. If they go oline they aren't picking 4th. They are gonna trade down which I'm fine with
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 13, 2024 17:56:14 GMT -7
They just paid Jonah Williams don't think T is gonna be a priority with the fourth pick. If they go oline they aren't picking 4th. They are gonna trade down which I'm fine with I am not sure any olineman is on the radar until the 2nd pick or later.
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Post by knobby on Mar 13, 2024 19:00:02 GMT -7
That's a lot of money for a one year rental and if they go oline I think it's later then the 4th pick for sure and not with our first pick wherever it is. Rumored to be $19 mil guaranteed. That's in the range of what Hump was getting. Nothing official yet so we'll have to wait for exact numbers, but so far it looks good for a LT replacement with ability. He could also move to RT and switch with Paris, if that would produce better results. If he works out, great. Guessing for now, but we may have covered Hump's loss well. And the draft became more interesting.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 14, 2024 3:21:14 GMT -7
Williams' signing is interesting because of the contract length, just 2 years, not so much because of the cost. If Alt was selected in the Draft, we would expect a minimum of 4-5 years of production.
So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position?
So, what I'm getting at after cogitating this morning--I do not think that Alt is removed from Ossenfort's wish list. If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities?
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Post by devongent on Mar 14, 2024 7:33:59 GMT -7
So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position? Ultimately, every player is a stop-gap, they either (eventually) move on to another team or retire. The Cardinals are paying out big for Jonah's services (unlike an acquisition via the draft), hence I can understand the shortened timeframe. - If he 'does good' then there will be ample opportunity to extend his contract in the future, to mutual benefit. Interestingly, most were thinking 'rookie Tackle' paired with 'experienced Guard'. It appears things have swung around and we are (likely) going the exact opposite. Sometimes the unknown throws up a different outcome, and what was unexpected (in my view) is the inflated contracts being dished out to Guard's in FA. The top ones are now earning similar $'s to those for correspondingly ranked Tackles (or not too far off). If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities? The FO should certainly consider all options on the table, and no doubt they will. - If the choices on offer results in the Cardinals drafting Harrison #4 then so be it, I am now much more comfortable with things having addressed Left Tackle (which was a big unanswered question for those promoting his signing #4, no matter what).
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 14, 2024 7:42:01 GMT -7
So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position? Ultimately, every player is a stop-gap, they either (eventually) move on to another team or retire. The Cardinals are paying out big for Jonah's services (unlike an acquisition via the draft), hence I can understand the shortened timeframe. - If he 'does good' then there will be ample opportunity to extend his contract in the future, to mutual benefit. Interestingly, most were thinking 'rookie Tackle' paired with 'experienced Guard'. It appears things have swung around and we are (likely) going the exact opposite. Sometimes the unknown throws up a different outcome, and what was unexpected (in my view) is the inflated contracts being dished out to Guard's in FA. The top ones are now earning similar $'s to those for correspondingly ranked Tackles (or not too far off). If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities? The FO should certainly consider all options on the table, and no doubt they will. - If the choices on offer results in the Cardinals drafting Harrison #4 then so be it, I am now much more comfortable with things having addressed Left Tackle (which was a big unanswered question for those promoting his signing #4, no matter what). How does this team look at center and guards? Murray has issues with pressure up the middle. He has the ability to duck and run away from outside pressure
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Post by devongent on Mar 14, 2024 8:00:33 GMT -7
How does this team look at center and guards? Murray has issues with pressure up the middle. I think we need to draft one or other, and it ought to be a real good one.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 14, 2024 8:54:46 GMT -7
Williams' signing is interesting because of the contract length, just 2 years, not so much because of the cost. If Alt was selected in the Draft, we would expect a minimum of 4-5 years of production. So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position? So, what I'm getting at after cogitating this morning--I do not think that Alt is removed from Ossenfort's wish list. If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities? You don’t pay a guy $15 million a year to not play, and you don’t draft a #4 pick to not play. I think tackle could still be on the menu, but not in the first round. This frees them up to possibly take a developmental tackle they love in round 3 or later, or wait until 2025 or 2026. Now we can go WR1 in the first with either pick, and then go really heavy on defense and BPA. Unless we get one in FA, I guarentee we use a 2nd-3rd round pick on a stud guard. A WR1 in the 1st and G later completes our starting offense. That’s assuming Hollywood or a replacement is signed as WR2. Still leaves a ton of picks for defense.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 14, 2024 10:06:01 GMT -7
Ultimately, every player is a stop-gap, they either (eventually) move on to another team or retire. The Cardinals are paying out big for Jonah's services (unlike an acquisition via the draft), hence I can understand the shortened timeframe. - If he 'does good' then there will be ample opportunity to extend his contract in the future, to mutual benefit. Interestingly, most were thinking 'rookie Tackle' paired with 'experienced Guard'. It appears things have swung around and we are (likely) going the exact opposite. Sometimes the unknown throws up a different outcome, and what was unexpected (in my view) is the inflated contracts being dished out to Guard's in FA. The top ones are now earning similar $'s to those for correspondingly ranked Tackles (or not too far off). The FO should certainly consider all options on the table, and no doubt they will. - If the choices on offer results in the Cardinals drafting Harrison #4 then so be it, I am now much more comfortable with things having addressed Left Tackle (which was a big unanswered question for those promoting his signing #4, no matter what). How does this team look at center and guards? Murray has issues with pressure up the middle. He has the ability to duck and run away from outside pressure thank you for posting this! I've been preaching this since before he was drafted that the little dude has got to be protected from quick pressure up the middle and it has athletic ability allows him to escape outside pressure. I actually wanted the Cardinals to pursue a left guard over a left tackle in free agency but since we have a left tackle now it's like strong possibility that the Cardinals can get the best left guard in the entire draft.
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Post by knobby on Mar 14, 2024 10:10:29 GMT -7
Williams' signing is interesting because of the contract length, just 2 years, not so much because of the cost. If Alt was selected in the Draft, we would expect a minimum of 4-5 years of production. So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position? So, what I'm getting at after cogitating this morning--I do not think that Alt is removed from Ossenfort's wish list. If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities?
There are multiple reasons for a short contract (one year guaranteed money) with Williams, IMO. He has some injury history, it is more a prove-it deal with extensions possible, and he's fairly young. His attitude and ability seem to be good, he reportedly had indicated he wanted to come to the Cardinals, and as mentioned Hump could possibly even return as backup if his rehab, desire to play and team needs allow.
That Williams was available at "reasonable" cost is a plus since we were in a bind as to how to best cover for a LT need - our choices being mining for an experienced pro or draft and hope for instant OL help. Now, if we do draft a LT, there is time to assess how that might work out. If we don't draft LT this year, maybe a guard? Or a candidate for either position?
Now with Williams apparently locked in, the way is clear to draft however Monti feels will best improve the overall team, long term. Win-win, it seems. We can still draft a future LT, whatever WR might be preferred, DB, Edge, trade back, or, or, or. Options! We have options!
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 14, 2024 12:56:42 GMT -7
Williams' signing is interesting because of the contract length, just 2 years, not so much because of the cost. If Alt was selected in the Draft, we would expect a minimum of 4-5 years of production. So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position? So, what I'm getting at after cogitating this morning--I do not think that Alt is removed from Ossenfort's wish list. If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities? I think it gives them time to resign him if does as well as they think he can after two seasons they can move on. he is not here for one year 19 million no way.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 14, 2024 12:58:47 GMT -7
Williams' signing is interesting because of the contract length, just 2 years, not so much because of the cost. If Alt was selected in the Draft, we would expect a minimum of 4-5 years of production. So, my question is this: is Williams a stop-gap OL fill while a rookie Guard learns the position? So, what I'm getting at after cogitating this morning--I do not think that Alt is removed from Ossenfort's wish list. If Harrison is still there, take him of course. But if another GM offers #6 and a high Day 2 pick (#38) for #4, do I reconsider OL/DL priorities? There are multiple reasons for a short contract (one year guaranteed money) with Williams, IMO. He has some injury history, it is more a prove-it deal with extensions possible, and he's fairly young. His attitude and ability seem to be good, he reportedly had indicated he wanted to come to the Cardinals, and as mentioned Hump could possibly even return as backup if his rehab, desire to play and team needs allow. That Williams was available at "reasonable" cost is a plus since we were in a bind as to how to best cover for a LT need - our choices being mining for an experienced pro or draft and hope for instant OL help. Now, if we do draft a LT, there is time to assess how that might work out. If we don't draft LT this year, maybe a guard? Or a candidate for either position?
Now with Williams apparently locked in, the way is clear to draft however Monti feels will best improve the overall team, long term. Win-win, it seems. We can still draft a future LT, whatever WR might be preferred, DB, Edge, trade back, or, or, or. Options! We have options!
His first season he got hurt,I think he only missed one game in three seasons I believe since then.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 14, 2024 13:00:10 GMT -7
I believe it's either MHJ or Nabers at this point.
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