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Post by belac44 on Mar 7, 2024 18:40:48 GMT -7
I'd lean towards MHJ...and trading up from 27 to get Mims. We already have plenty of Intel on Marv...since we have Paris on board. From what he's said publicly, no one works harder than MHJ. I really like Nabers though. The more I hear scouts talk about Mims...the more I hear that he could eventually be the best tackle in this class. He just gets hurt. I will not cry if we draft Alt though. We could then take a closer look at Franklin, McConkey or Pearsall. When did Paris talk about MHJ? I'd love to have heard the recommendation Well they played together, so regardless he knows him well and would have an opinion.
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Post by Dry Heat on Mar 7, 2024 23:12:56 GMT -7
Does anyone believe Marvin Harrison Jr could be the next Larry Fitzgerald? Could be? Maybe. Likely? No. Our man Fitz had 34 TDs AS A FRESHMAN AND SOPHOMORE, over 26 games. Harrison Jr had 28 TDs as a Junior and Senior, over 25 games. Rome had 22 TDs as a Junior and Senior, over 27 games. All have stellar yards and similar yards per catch. Similar size. It’s going to come down to professionalism and work ethic, and I sense Rome’s is better than Harrison Jr’s.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 8, 2024 7:00:38 GMT -7
Back to the question, Alt or Harrison? If I had just 1 pick, I'd take Alt. The Cardinals still have to fix the OL/DL. When a OL/DL starter is available on draft day, give the man's name to the Commissioner. This draft class is awash with WR talent. Other WRs can help us.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Mar 8, 2024 12:09:44 GMT -7
Does anyone believe Marvin Harrison Jr could be the next Larry Fitzgerald? No. While Megatron had more overall talent, I've never seen any WR as 'polished' as Fitz coming out of college. No one even close ran routes the way he did at such a young age. He was an absolute technician. Work ethic wise, I'm not sure many HOFs had his work ethic either. Rice did. Harrison Senior did. But Fitz was one of the few WR's I've ever felt was an absolute guarantee. Fitz also had zero question marks on injury side or character. And he had perfect build. The only reason Megatron was better had to due with Megatron having elite speed for his size. Because that was the primary difference. Fitz could run better routes, but Megatron was as good or better at everything else. But I never saw anyone other than those two men who were absolute guarantees. Here's where I see the difference. I think Harrison Jnr. has a higher 'floor' than either Fitz or Megatron but a lower 'ceiling.' I don't know why but I have injury concerns about him. Which I admit are totally based on a bad feeling I have that has nothing to do with anything to do with who he is as a person. I also have a feeling Harrison will follow Megatron's career arc in terms of exiting the NFL sooner than he needs to. Pure speculation on my part of course, but I just don't think he will match his dad or Fitz's longevity. While I think Harrison is the safest pick in this draft, outside of Bowers, I don't think any of this year's picks are guaranteed - minus Bowers. And while I'm totally on board taking Harrison, I'll say this again. There is too much WR talent in this year's draft to justify taking Harrison in the top-4. If there's a trade offer we HAVE to take it. We have too many holes and any trade offer allows us to shore up our OL,DL and still get not one but two talented WR's. Most folks forget how good Megatron was. He was basically DK Metcalf's body except had much better hands and route runner. Had he gone to any other team he'd have set records that would probably never be broken. He was way better than guys like Rice he just didn't have Montana to work with. I can only imagine what he'd have done paired with someone like Rothlesburger in their primes. Or even Warner
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 8, 2024 18:28:56 GMT -7
Does anyone believe Marvin Harrison Jr could be the next Larry Fitzgerald? It's pretty scary saying yes but the potential is there. He doesn't have to be either who else would be a better pick in that position ?
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Post by End Zone on Mar 9, 2024 9:44:53 GMT -7
Does anyone believe Marvin Harrison Jr could be the next Larry Fitzgerald? It's pretty scary saying yes but the potential is there. He doesn't have to be either who else would be a better pick in that position ? I reread that last sentence and have the answer to the question. Go with "Best Player Available" unless a team is QB needy. QB is the only position pick I would ever make. And MO has a nut when KM complains, he will tell KM he's got WR Brown to play with.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Mar 10, 2024 22:34:44 GMT -7
MHJ was far better than Fitz was in college. He runs great routes, he has great hands, he is fast, he is tall and he is strong. He has no weaknesses. Fitz was primarily a leaper with great hands in college, but he wasn't particularly fast. As Mel Kiper put it, MHJ is Marvin Harrison except bigger aka the perfect receiver. People forget, a big reason we took Fitz was Denny Green. Green knew him personally but he wasn't the defacto 3rd overall pick in that draft. MHJ is better. Now that doesn't mean MHJ is going to be better than Fitz. Being better requires heart and luck (no injuries).
If MHJ is available, you don't take anyone else. It's not even a consideration.
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Post by vwvectors on Mar 11, 2024 9:34:25 GMT -7
Both Alt & MHJ both have bloodline pedigree & have excellent college tape. I would select Alt without question & here’s why. Teams never (hardly ever) lets OL hit FA especially LT because they’re nearly impossible to replace. All pro OL are virtually all former 1st rnd picks after that the drop off is STEEP. Elite WR hit free agency regularly. An top 5 OL speckled with a couple all pros is a way more effective offensive weapon & it contributes to BOTH pass & run games.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Mar 12, 2024 13:42:13 GMT -7
As much as I would like Harrison I think the best move would be too trade down and somehow be able to end up getting one of the other top wide receivers and a tackle as well.
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Post by End Zone on Mar 13, 2024 5:18:14 GMT -7
As much as I would like Harrison I think the best move would be too trade down and somehow be able to end up getting one of the other top wide receivers and a tackle as well. Ossenfort is setting the stage to take advantage of multiple options on #4. If no GM makes a good offer for #4, then MO will take BPA. MO has the perfect Draft set up for him. 6 picks in 3 rounds and potentially another pick if some GM covets #4. It's good to be Monti Ossenfort in 2024.
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Post by belac44 on Mar 13, 2024 6:56:23 GMT -7
I am a firm believer in building the trenches. I am also one that at the time and if you could go back in time, would not take Fitz. I would not have taken oline over him, but I would have taken QB. I wanted BIg Ben and just knew he was going to be a Cardinal and then realized Green was gonna get his guy. That worked out as good as it could have, but we would have been a perennial contender for 10 plus years had we gone my way.
If Joe Alt was Joe Thomas, this would be a tougher choice for me. If I am taking OT at 4, he needs to be more generational to me. This team needs OT and OG bad. This team also needs WR and needs a star. Harrison Jr could be the franchises next version of Fitz. Like some of these teams that go from one great QB to another, could we be a team that does that with WR from Fitz to MHJ?? He is high character and by all accounts should be a star. He seems to be worthy of pick 4. He fits so many this team needs.
The one way I do not take MHJ at 4 is if they trade back and get more picks and then also a top OT. I really wanted Suggs and was crushed when we traded back. The fact we drafted two worthless players made that even worse. Passing on Adrian Peterson for Levi Brown hurt my soul.
Maybe a blessing in disguise happens and he is not avail at 4 and we trade down and get some more picks. If he is there, I think you have to take him.
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Post by aris on Mar 13, 2024 13:23:33 GMT -7
I'm a firm believer in staying at 4 and getting ONE very good/great player instead of taking chances on players down in the draft that will never work out. The key point is we already have a lot of picks. That's a good thing. So take Alt or MHJ at 4 and have a very good chance at a long term player.
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Post by somecardsfan on Mar 13, 2024 14:42:08 GMT -7
I'm a firm believer in staying at 4 and getting ONE very good/great player instead of taking chances on players down in the draft that will never work out. The key point is we already have a lot of picks. That's a good thing. So take Alt or MHJ at 4 and have a very good chance at a long term player. Well the problem is, let's say that gret play at four is mhj. He is only as good as the QB. Fitz had some great years under warner and palmer. By the in between years he was not that much of an impact. Oline should be priority imo
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Mar 13, 2024 16:44:21 GMT -7
I'm a firm believer in staying at 4 and getting ONE very good/great player instead of taking chances on players down in the draft that will never work out. The key point is we already have a lot of picks. That's a good thing. So take Alt or MHJ at 4 and have a very good chance at a long term player. Well the problem is, let's say that gret play at four is mhj. He is only as good as the QB. Fitz had some great years under warner and palmer. By the in between years he was not that much of an impact. Oline should be priority imo They just paid Jonah Williams don't think T is gonna be a priority with the fourth pick.
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Post by knobby on Mar 13, 2024 17:01:07 GMT -7
Well the problem is, let's say that gret play at four is mhj. He is only as good as the QB. Fitz had some great years under warner and palmer. By the in between years he was not that much of an impact. Oline should be priority imo They just paid Jonah Williams don't think T is gonna be a priority with the fourth pick.
Maybe. Williams' $$ is only guaranteed one year...
Could Monti and Co. be thinking a longer term development guy with a later pick?
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