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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 31, 2023 11:38:09 GMT -7
LG Ezra Cleveland of the Vikes was sent to Jaguars for only a 6th. Cleveland is a FA but LG is a huge hole for this offense and to keep KM1 upright -- not sure why Monti didn't just trade Dobbs for Ezra Cleveland and a low 7th from MN. Would be a similar overall trade package and would help the Cards immediately.
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Post by supercard on Oct 31, 2023 12:00:37 GMT -7
Seeing we got a 6th back and also tossed in a 7th back to them plus Dobbs. Why would we do that trade? Why not keep him on the roster for the rest of the season as backup? The trade makes sense. Dobbs value is sinking. He is done at ARZ. I'm not shocked that MO got a 6th and sweetened the deal with a cheapy 7th rounder. At least MO got something back for that bad 5th rounder deal. I guess we know now who the backup is next week. Kyler Murray. KM will start
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Post by T.McCollum on Oct 31, 2023 12:07:12 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 31, 2023 12:41:08 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. Back before season - Dobbs was traded to AZ for a 5th but AZ got a 7th rounder BACK. Now - Dobbs traded to Vikings for a 6th back and MAY include the 7th above if Dobbs does NOT play in half the games left. However if Dobbs plays for the Vikings soon, then in essence the Cardinals lost about 45 places in the 2024 draft but gain a 7th from the Browns trade of Dobbs ... all in order to not throw CT into the fire too early and ruin him.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 31, 2023 13:00:13 GMT -7
Seeing we got a 6th back and also tossed in a 7th back to them plus Dobbs. Why would we do that trade? Why not keep him on the roster for the rest of the season as backup? Tune is our current backup long term. He needs the better practice reps and game time experience if Kyler goes out. Dobbs was only under contract the rest of 2023. LONG TERM PLAN!!! Agreed. If Kyler plays okay I think we are targeting Bo Nix in the 2nd or 3rd round. We will draft weapons in the first and let Tune and Nix push Kyler to improve. I think they liked Tune all along. I mentioned at beginning of the season that I wanted Tune to sit for at least half the season rather than throw him to the wolves. He won't have squat to work with this weekend, but he will give us a strong baseline of which to measure Kyler against upon Kyler's return. Because Kyler will be expected to outshine Tune by a wide margin if he wants to keep his job.
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Post by T.McCollum on Oct 31, 2023 13:52:00 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. Back before season - Dobbs was traded to AZ for a 5th but AZ got a 7th rounder BACK. Now - Dobbs traded to Vikings for a 6th back and MAY include the 7th above if Dobbs does NOT play in half the games left. However if Dobbs plays for the Vikings soon, then in essence the Cardinals lost about 45 places in the 2024 draft but gain a 7th from the Browns trade of Dobbs ... all in order to not throw CT into the fire too early and ruin him. I don’t think he so mentally weak that losing a couple games early in his career would ruin him. If it did then better to get it done sooner then later and move on from him as soon as possible. Valuable game rep and live game footage of him to study would be much better for him then sitting on the bench watching Dobb be horrible.
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Post by CardCore on Oct 31, 2023 13:52:34 GMT -7
Probably just me, but the exclamation point is overkill. A simple period would have been sufficient. 🙄🙄
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 31, 2023 14:06:45 GMT -7
I don’t think he so mentally weak that losing a couple games early in his career would ruin him. If it did then better to get it done sooner then later and move on from him as soon as possible. Valuable game rep and live game footage of him to study would be much better for him then sitting on the bench watching Dobb be horrible. If our coach wasn't new, and he wasn't trying to do so many things at once, then starting Tune early would make more sense. I don't think it makes as much sense when you're trying to do a million things at once including establish a culture, evaluate other players, set up new systems and win over players. And spend time working with Kyler. It's too much because it doesn't give you adequate time to work with Tune as much as you'd want to. This way, he got a chance to get everything else in place and can now spend second half of season working with Tune because he's already prepped Kyler to sink or swim.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 31, 2023 14:22:26 GMT -7
This will happen. Thank you MO, for the Dobbs starter contingency clause in the trade language.
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Post by JAB on Oct 31, 2023 14:26:32 GMT -7
Dude sucked won't miss him at all.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 31, 2023 14:29:51 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. QB Jeff Driskel was a better backup than QB Josh Dobbs. We know that now. Last September, we didn't know jack about Dobbs except that he was a smart engineer. The differences in trade value points in draft math are minor. The trade again tells me the Cardinals continue to come out on the short end of deals and cuts.
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Post by belac44 on Oct 31, 2023 14:31:11 GMT -7
Wonder what Monti was able to get back. Not sure if I'm happy....I have a bunch of Vikings in Fantasy. Should be a 3rd or 4th based on this play but we will see. 3rd or 4th!?! The overvaluing of Cards players on this board is nuts.
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Post by belac44 on Oct 31, 2023 14:37:10 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. Or you could have completely ruined the rookie going forward. They traded the Eagles 5th so they drop back 20-25 spots or so to take a flyer on a guy. Dobbs was not horrible, kept them competitive for longer than people expected.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 31, 2023 14:39:26 GMT -7
Should be a 3rd or 4th based on this play but we will see. 3rd or 4th!?! The overvaluing of Cards players on this board is nuts. Fantasy Leagues and players are nuts by definition. All are harmless. LOL!
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Post by T.McCollum on Oct 31, 2023 14:54:58 GMT -7
So what I’m hearing is we wasted a 5th rounder and valuable game experience that could have gone to the rookie qb. What a waste of time Dobbs was. Or you could have completely ruined the rookie going forward. They traded the Eagles 5th so they drop back 20-25 spots or so to take a flyer on a guy. Dobbs was not horrible, kept them competitive for longer than people expected. I don’t believe he so mentally weak that he couldn’t handle a few loses.If he is somehow that type of player who let loose get to him then he not worth wasting the team time on. At the end of the day being competitive meant nothing but one win. There was never any consistency so team going to be starting from scratch again with KM.
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