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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 22, 2024 15:50:55 GMT -7
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Post by End Zone on Apr 23, 2024 5:28:47 GMT -7
The QB Wilson trade on Monday was a desperation, low-cost move for DEN. Desperation because the GM had no leverage and no options. He will not mortgage the team's future on a 4th or 5th QB option at the Draft. The risk of another failed experiment was too high. DEN also could not put together a good enough trade package to convince CHI/WAS/NE/ARZ to trade down. DEN has accepted that QB Wilson is good enough to win 5 or fewer games in 2024. That measly record for 2024 probably sets up DEN to trade up in 2025 to #1, or perhaps get lucky and have that coveted QB1 fall in their lap. I still think MIN is in the running for a trade up to #4. MO is rolling the dice on risk if he takes that trade. However, he's a fast-thinking, smart man. He will not get fleeced, bamboozled, or tricked by anyone. Likewise for MIN. A swap between the two team will be fair. |
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Post by CardSunsCard on Apr 23, 2024 6:42:54 GMT -7
Geez.... I would have done that deal in a heartbeat. He needed a change of scenery and I think any Western locale would have done him good. He may be out of the league in a few years, but the arm talent was never in question and tons of teams wanted him the year he was drafted. This is a perfect example of a low risk, high reward situation that teams with surplus picks should have considered. Denver was probably the absolute best situation the kid could hope for so I'm happy for him. I wasn't all that interested in the kid when he was drafted but given we have so many pics I'd have loved to have picked him up for chump change. The only reason not to do this deal is if we already know we are taking a QB much higher in the draft. Heck, I might have done this deal just for the 'insurance' it would have provided us in case no QB we want drops to round 2-3. I don't want to spend a first rounder on a QB, and unless we think someone we want is falling further than analysts, not doing this deal could bite us. Schraeger seemed to think Penix is the one QB guaranteed to fall out of the first round, not Nix. And I can't think of any other QB we'd even consider at that point. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 23, 2024 7:41:42 GMT -7
Geez.... I would have done that deal in a heartbeat. He needed a change of scenery and I think any Western locale would have done him good. He may be out of the league in a few years, but the arm talent was never in question and tons of teams wanted him the year he was drafted. This is a perfect example of a low risk, high reward situation that teams with surplus picks should have considered. Denver was probably the absolute best situation the kid could hope for so I'm happy for him. I wasn't all that interested in the kid when he was drafted but given we have so many pics I'd have loved to have picked him up for chump change. The only reason not to do this deal is if we already know we are taking a QB much higher in the draft. Heck, I might have done this deal just for the 'insurance' it would have provided us in case no QB we want drops to round 2-3. I don't want to spend a first rounder on a QB, and unless we think someone we want is falling further than analysts, not doing this deal could bite us. Schraeger seemed to think Penix is the one QB guaranteed to fall out of the first round, not Nix. And I can't think of any other QB we'd even consider at that point. They could have put a deal together but I just think the price is too high to move up for the fourth Qb off the board Imho. While I think it is funny they send off Wilson and settle on this kid. True the kid might go somewhere else and do better but I think he is what we think he is. Low risk high reward I agree especially if you are a team that is desperate for a Qb. |
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Post by CardCore on Apr 23, 2024 10:07:34 GMT -7
This way they save $$ on jerseys.
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Post by End Zone on Apr 23, 2024 10:39:24 GMT -7
This way they save $$ on jerseys. DEN needs to save a bundle on 2024 jerseys to pay off QB Russ Wilson's contract while he plays pitch and catch for PIT. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 23, 2024 13:43:08 GMT -7
This way they save $$ on jerseys. DEN needs to save a bundle on 2024 jerseys to pay off QB Russ Wilson's contract while he plays pitch and catch for PIT. I look forward to watching Russell get the dog snot beat out of him in Pittsburgh. Third games into the season the Pittsburgh fans going to be streaming for Justin and he's not going to be any better. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 23, 2024 13:50:22 GMT -7
DEN needs to save a bundle on 2024 jerseys to pay off QB Russ Wilson's contract while he plays pitch and catch for PIT. I look forward to watching Russell get the dog snot beat out of him in Pittsburgh. Third games into the season the Pittsburgh fans going to be streaming for Justin and he's not going to be any better. Yeah if they don't fix their oline don't matter who the Qb is. |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Apr 23, 2024 13:54:27 GMT -7
I look forward to watching Russell get the dog snot beat out of him in Pittsburgh. Third games into the season the Pittsburgh fans going to be streaming for Justin and he's not going to be any better. Yeah if they don't fix their oline don't matter who the Qb is. that is exactly what I've been preaching about the Cardinals for at least 40 years. I say all these mock drafts this year and all the comments here on the forum and while everyone's entitled to their opinion I will still insist loudly that the Cardinals have absolutely got to secure one of the top interior offensive lineman in this draft. Always remember the Jimmy Johnson era cowboys we're about having the most dominant offensive line in football carried them to super bowl wins. Aikman was the best of slightly above average quarterback and emmitt Smith was a gamer but they never had more than one really good wide receiver and of course they had a good tight end but their skill players were not dominant like their offensive line players were. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Apr 24, 2024 3:26:25 GMT -7
Yeah if they don't fix their oline don't matter who the Qb is. that is exactly what I've been preaching about the Cardinals for at least 40 years. I say all these mock drafts this year and all the comments here on the forum and while everyone's entitled to their opinion I will still insist loudly that the Cardinals have absolutely got to secure one of the top interior offensive lineman in this draft. Always remember the Jimmy Johnson era cowboys we're about having the most dominant offensive line in football carried them to super bowl wins. Aikman was the best of slightly above average quarterback and emmitt Smith was a gamer but they never had more than one really good wide receiver and of course they had a good tight end but their skill players were not dominant like their offensive line players were. Well Drafting in the top 10 to five oline is the safest position to draft by far. I am getting a little nervous but if you are drafting top 5 overall all positions hit more after that you just have to get lucky it seems. Now I know why I prefer trading picks for established players when you have to have a position filled. |
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Post by End Zone on Apr 24, 2024 4:14:14 GMT -7
I'm done with DEN.
I'm still thinking MIN offers 3 1sts and something else for #4. I'm optimistic here. NYG might offer 2 1sts and something else for #4.
Next issue: Does CB Wiggins fall to #27? That's my biggest CB question ahead of tomorrow night's Draft. I prefer CB DeJean wear Red/White for ARZ, but there is no way he's sticking around that late (#27). Some folks also don't see DeJean playing CB full-time in the NFL. His body is not perfect for the CB job, so says some physics guys.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 24, 2024 7:07:59 GMT -7
I'm done with DEN. I'm still thinking MIN offers 3 1sts and something else for #4. I'm optimistic here. NYG might offer 2 1sts and something else for #4. Next issue: Does CB Wiggins fall to #27? That's my biggest CB question ahead of tomorrow night's Draft. I prefer CB DeJean wear Red/White for ARZ, but there is no way he's sticking around that late (#27). Some folks also don't see DeJean playing CB full-time in the NFL. His body is not perfect for the CB job, so says some physics guys. QB Trey Lance cost was 3 1sts and a 3rd rder. Brock Purdy what was he a 7th compensatory pick? |
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Post by Arizona_Steve on Apr 24, 2024 12:03:52 GMT -7
Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant if I remember correctly.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 24, 2024 16:05:53 GMT -7
Brock Purdy was Mr. Irrelevant if I remember correctly. Yes he was, unfortunately for us Been a long time guy Good to see you on. |
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Post by flash on Apr 24, 2024 18:33:40 GMT -7
I'm done with DEN. I'm still thinking MIN offers 3 1sts and something else for #4. I'm optimistic here. NYG might offer 2 1sts and something else for #4. Next issue: Does CB Wiggins fall to #27? That's my biggest CB question ahead of tomorrow night's Draft. I prefer CB DeJean wear Red/White for ARZ, but there is no way he's sticking around that late (#27). Some folks also don't see DeJean playing CB full-time in the NFL. His body is not perfect for the CB job, so says some physics guys. Isn't that going to be pretty expensive to move up two spots? I just don't see the Giants trading up for a QB. Who are they going to trade up for? J.J. McCarthy? Hmm...just on stats alone, I don't see that happening. They have Daniel Jones who just signed a big contract. Compare these stats between Daniel Jones and J.J. McCarthy from their college career. I will compare their last two college seasons. Daniel Jones 2018 2674 Passing Yards 22 Passing TD's 9 Interceptions 319 Rushing Yards 3 Rushing TD's 2017 2691 Passing Yards 14 Passing TD's 11 Interceptions 518 Rushing Yards 7 Rushing TD's J.J. McCarthy 2023 2991 Passing Yards 22 TD's 4 Interceptions 202 Rushing Yards 3 Rushing TD's 2022 2719 Passing Yards 22 Passing TD's 4 Interceptions 306 Rushing Yards 5 Rushing TD's So, after you look at the stats of Daniel Jones and J.J. McCarthy, they show that both were pretty equal in the final two year of their college careers. What seperates the two. The difference is that Daniel Jones took the Giants to the Divisional Round in 2022. He did that at the NFL Level, not the college level. McCarthy has yet to prove he can do that... I just don't see the Giants trading up for a QB that had equal stats in college when they already have one. And they just gave him the big contract. Now, I think there would be a greater possibility that they would trade up to the #3 pick to select one of the 3 QB's who all had much better college stats than either Daniels or McCarthy. __________________________________ Since we are talking about trade up from teams for our #4 pick, I have to mention the Vikings here. Some here on the forum are thinking the Vikings will trade up with us for McCarthy. After viewing McCarthy's College stats...do you really think that they would give up 3 first round picks for him? I don't see it. I can see that happening with one of the top 3 QB's though. So, on NFL Radio this morning...they mentioned that the Patriots have received offers for the #3 pick. All of the offers were "LAUGHABLE" according to the Patriots. I wonder, did the Vikings offer them 3 first round picks? And they considered that "LAUGHABLE"...or did the Vikings only willing to offer 2 first round picks? The way I see it, the teams that offered the "LAUGHABLE" offers are not going to offer us something Monti would do the trade down for...unless of course if Monti turns out to be an idiot....and then we are screwed for the next several seasons until Bidwill fires him. Oh, Mike fired one of our coaches after one year with a season of 3 wins. We had 4 wins last season, if that happens again...do you see Monti and J.G. still here? Anyways, when I heard about the "LAUGHABLE" it gives me hope that we get Marvin... JUST SAYIN...END ZONE....What do ya think? |
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