ricardo
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Post by ricardo on Jan 7, 2023 16:20:49 GMT -7
AND Vance Joseph is "the lead candidate" if they move on from Kingsbury? |
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Post by Rimrock on Jan 7, 2023 16:32:14 GMT -7
AND Vance Joseph is "the lead candidate" if they move on from Kingsbury? Welcome to another 100 yrs of misery |
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Post by End Zone on Jan 7, 2023 18:27:01 GMT -7
AND Vance Joseph is "the lead candidate" if they move on from Kingsbury? Welcome to another 100 yrs of misery The pain won't stop. Make it stop! |
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Post by BigRedFan on Jan 7, 2023 19:26:30 GMT -7
Two more "Yes sir!" men for MB to manipulate his check book through. MB will be in the film room
offering his one cent worth on all football related matters in which he will continue to operate
an NFL franchise on the cheap. (He wants to stay under the two-cents worth cap where opinions are offered.)
Bidwill! You have lost you're entire fan base as far as home attendance. 4-15 home record for the past
2 seasons! 1-12 in the last 13 home games?? And you might hire within? Brace yourselves brethren for
more of the same ol' crap. JMO.
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Post by Native Az on Jan 7, 2023 19:36:02 GMT -7
This would be exactly what losers do. I hate this franchise. |
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Jan 7, 2023 20:13:02 GMT -7
So lets get this stroight
If Bidwill wants to keep his season ticketholders
He is putting his faith in
two untested prospects and a failure in Wilson as a scout
and Head coach hiring eeecutive
He thinks this will put fans in the seats
Come on
He needs a name coach
Like
A Sean PAYTON WHO I CANT STAND
OR A Jim Harbaugh who is another guy I didn't like
But Its not what I like ITS WHAT WE NEED THAT COUNTS!
Credibility!
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Post by respecttheprocess on Jan 7, 2023 20:21:54 GMT -7
Loved ADUB as a player…but in today’s NFL…having extensive experience dealing with player contracts, cap space, drafts and free agents is what’s needed to build this franchise…and I just don’t think anyone within the organization having been taught from the dysfunctional organization to begin with and continuing to learn on the job is the way to go.
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Post by End Zone on Jan 8, 2023 4:08:54 GMT -7
AND Vance Joseph is "the lead candidate" if they move on from Kingsbury? Harris and Wilson as co-GMs? I do not like this approach to General Managing an NFL team. Under this concept, the line of authority from the owner to the GM is split between two people. Two lines of communication between bosses and the rank and file employees can cause confusion. Thus, teamwork on the field can suffer. Co-GMs does provide a check-and-balance on decision-making. However, check-and-balance should be Bidwill's job. Co-management at the top corporate level is rare. Managers must have individual authorities to ensure work gets done and that there is accountability for the corporation's successes and failures. Co-management also leaves the door open for argument about who is responsible for what action and who gets blamed for what failure. Bidwill must define the co-manager's authorities within the GM framework or the co-management process can fail miserably. Lastly, Bidwill has to be intimately involved in team affairs down to a minute level at all times. Close owner oversight can diminish the effectiveness of a good General Manager. Close owner oversight can also make it improbable that a good GM can be hired from the outside. Why would Bidwill use this process? GM Steve Keim remains on a health-related leave and his future with the team is up in the air until the health issue(s) are resolved. Wilson has been with Arizona since 2015 as a regional scout, eventually working his way to vice president of pro scouting. Harris joined the Cardinals in 2008 as a regional scout and eventually worked his way up to vice president of player personnel. Bidwill is minding his team checkbook. He has huge payroll problems with the contract extensions to senior staff and coaches. Bidwill cannot easily write down the salary costs to anyone. Bidwill will be rightly sued if he fires anyone and then does not pay up per contract language or fair settlements. There is just no way the team improves with co-GMs. Harris-Wilson is a temporary patch to a major management problem. Can this team get any worse? |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jan 8, 2023 4:29:55 GMT -7
I did NOT need this rumored news ... I did fear it though and virtually assures the Cards being a bottom feeder in the NFC West for awhile. Crap -- if they really want to draft better, there are about 4-5 guys on this forum who could get together for beers, get paid as Co-GM's and draft better than this organization has done for the last 10 yrs.
The other day when VJ stated he also got an extension - I did think uh-oh VJ could be the next HC. So is Whipple going to be the next OC and McCoy soon to retire and be the next QB coach ? I mean just keep everyone internally and save $$.
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Post by End Zone on Jan 8, 2023 5:17:20 GMT -7
I did NOT need this rumored news ... I did fear it though and virtually assures the Cards being a bottom feeder in the NFC West for awhile. Crap -- if they really want to draft better, there are about 4-5 guys on this forum who could get together for beers, get paid as Co-GM's and draft better than this organization has done for the last 10 yrs. The other day when VJ stated he also got an extension - I did think uh-oh VJ could be the next HC. So is Whipple going to be the next OC and McCoy soon to retire and be the next QB coach ? I mean just keep everyone internally and save $$. The decision to approve multiple contract extensions last winter is all on Bidwill. That decision was entirely his as team owner. I am sure that Bidwill's employees all gladly accepted the contract extension offers knowing full well that they would get 100% paid for team success or failure. Bidwill rolled the dice. His bet was a bad one. There is no way he saves a dime now. |
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Post by devongent on Jan 8, 2023 6:31:33 GMT -7
The other day when VJ stated he also got an extension - I did think uh-oh VJ could be the next HC. So is Whipple going to be the next OC and McCoy soon to retire and be the next QB coach ? I think you could have hit on the button. Any roll left for Kliff, or does he have to get paid off? |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Jan 8, 2023 6:35:18 GMT -7
The other day when VJ stated he also got an extension - I did think uh-oh VJ could be the next HC. So is Whipple going to be the next OC and McCoy soon to retire and be the next QB coach ? I think you could have hit on the button. Any roll left for Kliff, or does he have to get paid off? Gambo says 4 of the 5 yrs (last year is an option) of K2's contract are guaranteed. You would hope the contract has "offset" language if K2 accepts another coaching job. Furthermore Gambo stated K2 has NO interest in going back to college but wants to stay in NFL as OC or HC ... not sure he's going to get that many of these offers. |
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Post by devongent on Jan 8, 2023 8:21:04 GMT -7
Furthermore Gambo stated K2 has NO interest in going back to college but wants to stay in NFL as OC or HC . IF Vance was offered the HC position then we cannot discount Kliff being kept on as the OC. A newly defined role for him with (perhaps) Whipple working alongside him. Like it or not, I don't feel we can discount something of this sort happening. Apart from the financial contract implications there are number of other aspects to consider - 1) The team has kept trying this season and it would be a harsh assessment to say the players have long ago given up. 2) That Kliff doesn't appear suited to the HC role in the NFL. All the peripheral stuff (dealing with the press, acting as the leader and focal point motivator for the team, discipline and especially with the 'big name' players - just to mention three things) seems to have drained away Kingsbury's desire and resolve. As it happens I wouldn't blame him from bailing out given the opportunity, but professional pride and a self-confidence (that you have a lot to offer) will mean that he won't give up lightly. 3) Kingsbury has recently voiced his frustrations about what has been going and in truth he may well have been in a difficult (perhaps even almost impossible) position. 4) Michael Bidwill has on-going faith in Kingsbury (a feeling natured by their regular meetings to discuss team affairs). I have always felt from the off, when he first joined the Cardinals, that Kliff was hired beyond his experience. Some guys are not cut out as true leaders of men and there is no disgrace in not being one. I believe an OC position would be a much better match to his attributes. I would suggest Kingsbury could feel liberated and unshackled by such a move across. HC - Vance Joseph OC - Kliff Kingsbury with close support from Spencer Whipple QB Coach - Colt McCoy Jt GM's - Quentin Harris and Adrian Wilson working in tandem If the Arizona Cardinals were now subject to a Police investigation (for crimes against football) then they might conclude, on the balance of possibilities, that the way ahead is likely to be 'an inside job'! Then again all the above could be a load of rubbish and massive change is shortly coming. |
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Post by birdgangaz on Jan 8, 2023 8:39:40 GMT -7
If this is what Bidwill does, he is simply a clown who has no idea how to run a franchise.
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Post by LD14 on Jan 8, 2023 10:37:34 GMT -7
What if owner Mike Bidwill assessed that the 2022 season was a very long string of bad luck. Then, on January 9th he assessed the Draft #4 pick is a sign that team luck has changed. Then, he decides to keep the current GM, HC, and QB on the payroll to fight and win together for a 5th season? Bidwill is silent. Keim is on medical leave. Kingsbury is finishing the 2022 season and will soon disappear on vacation. Murray is on IR. Who is managing the asylum? AD and KK? And the latter might be gone in a few days. Isn’t the definition of insanity trying the same thing and expecting different results? If all 3 stay, going to be a hard sell for me to watch any games next year |
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