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Post by cardsfan88 on May 26, 2018 23:21:02 GMT -7
Obviously I want to be happy about how things turned out...but that 2014 draft was just a disaster looking back.
We trade down from #20....where we could have had Clinton-Dix or Jason Verrett. We end up at #27 where we take Bucannon...passing on Derick Carr and Teddy Bridgewater (pre injury of course).
Then in the 2nd round we take Troy Niklas....passing on Jarvis Landry, Allen Robinson, and Jimmy Garapolo.
In the 3rd we got Kareem Martin, who took 3 years to become anything and then bolted....and John Brown who had one good year followed by career ending injuries.
Just think...and I know hindsight is 20-20....but we could have come out of the 2014 draft with Jason Varrett, Jimmy G, Donte Moncrief, and Telvin Smith without making a single trade. All we positions of need, just like they were in the 2018 draft!!
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2018 5:48:42 GMT -7
Getting Rosen was a blessing. Now if we could manage to a pro bowl season out of Bradford, yeah maybe a bit too greedy. Thats Not too greedy!! We deserve a Break!! I agree!  |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on May 27, 2018 5:58:43 GMT -7
OT-Reality is that you are spouting the same erroneous misinformation that you did on the old MB where you were again proven to be wrong about Keim "wanted Josh Allen". Just like Keim wanted David Johnson? No. He wanted Ameer Abdullah. The Lions saved him from himself. Just like the Bills took his boy Allen. Who doesn't understand luck is a big part of the draft ? other teams passed on both Ameer and DJ we were lucky in landing him. Sure you have data and an opinion but you still make mistakes I am glad that DJ was also on SK's list. I personally think SK wanted one of the top four I don't know the exact order he had them nor do you but I feel very lucky on how things worked out. Rosen was my #1 guy if we drafted a Qb in the first round. Number two for the draft was take Falk in a later round and do what it takes to land Foles I never thought we would have a shot at Rosen and am very glad it happened. Bottomline I think SK had a great offseason so far when he had such limited cap space and picking 15th in the draft. Giving up the picks he did for Rosen to me was amazing. We will see what happens with Rosen but I am loving our chances for the future. |
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Post by CrazyCanuck on May 27, 2018 8:47:15 GMT -7
I can't find one publication and always have 2 or 3 before a draft that had David Johnson rated ahead of Ameer Abdullah. In other words, it's likely that 32 GM's had Ameer ahead of Johnson. And you have nothing beyond your animus towards Keim to support your view that Keim had Allen rated higher than Rosen. Talking heads on radio and you share one thing in common: Neither has ever seen the Cards draft board.
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Post by Dry Heat on May 27, 2018 12:26:44 GMT -7
I took a while to think about and answer this, as a was a big proponent of taking Bridgewater or Carr in 2014, loved Garapolo out of college and wanted to take him and was shocked when the hated 49ers got him for so little, and wanted Mahomes last year.
But looking back at it all in hindsight and with the way the poll is worded, I’m going with blessing how it worked out...though clearly yet to be seen how it actually works out.
I’ve noted on the other board that Bridgewater of Carr would have ridden the bench for us. We knew what we had in Palmer after 2013 when he won us 10 games and really looked solid the second half of his first season. We made the decision to extend Palmer as our QB1 and draft to try for a Super Bowl. We came this close. No one foresaw the time lost to a freak ACL, where having Carr would have been nice. Carr hasn’t won anything yet, and was no star QB1 last year.
Garapolo was cheap for a few meaningless games, but put them in a position to keep him in the fold and did, as the highest paid player in the NFL. Now they have him but will feel cap implications eventually. I think it’s a good move but he hadn’t proven enough to be paid like he was.
Mahomes is as yet to be determined as Rosen, and Rosen the better prospect.
We are blessed in how things fell.
Now real football over the next few years will tell us if we are right.
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Post by knobby on May 27, 2018 12:40:19 GMT -7
I can't find one publication and always have 2 or 3 before a draft that had David Johnson rated ahead of Ameer Abdullah. In other words, it's likely that 32 GM's had Ameer ahead of Johnson. And you have nothing beyond your animus towards Keim to support your view that Keim had Allen rated higher than Rosen. Talking heads on radio and you share one thing in common: Neither has ever seen the Cards draft board.Nor have any of us here spouting opinions. Therefore, no resolution as to who is correct.
My sense is that Zaz may be closer to the truth, but it will remain one of life's mysteries unless SK writes a book, or maybe MB or someone else in the draft room at the time will confess eventually.
Anyone have a connection in the NSA? I bet they know.  |
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Post by curmudgeon on May 27, 2018 15:42:51 GMT -7
Getting Rosen was a blessing. Now if we could manage to a pro bowl season out of Bradford, yeah maybe a bit too greedy. Thats Not too greedy!! We deserve a Break!! I have watched most of the Vikings 2016 games to get a better feel for Bradford. I was never particularly impressed by him as a Ram. He seems to be very adept at hitting the tight ends in seam routes and throwing a lot of bubble screens and short timing plays. He does not have the zip on the ball to throw the deep out passes. I expect him to complete a high percentage throwing the type of passes at which he is adept, and for our offense to feature David Johnson pounding the ball and running with screens. Hopefully Sam won't get hurt, but I fully expect Josh Rosen will be starting by the tenth game. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on May 27, 2018 16:17:32 GMT -7
I can't find one publication and always have 2 or 3 before a draft that had David Johnson rated ahead of Ameer Abdullah. In other words, it's likely that 32 GM's had Ameer ahead of Johnson. And you have nothing beyond your animus towards Keim to support your view that Keim had Allen rated higher than Rosen. Talking heads on radio and you share one thing in common: Neither has ever seen the Cards draft board.Nor have any of us here spouting opinions. Therefore, no resolution as to who is correct. My sense is that Zaz may be closer to the truth, but it will remain one of life's mysteries unless SK writes a book, or maybe MB or someone else in the draft room at the time will confess eventually.
Anyone have a connection in the NSA? I bet they know. I read from either Gambo or Jurecki that the Cardinals did have a major concern over his accuracy issues ,that is Josh Allen of course. |
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Post by knobby on May 27, 2018 19:56:54 GMT -7
Nor have any of us here spouting opinions. Therefore, no resolution as to who is correct. My sense is that Zaz may be closer to the truth, but it will remain one of life's mysteries unless SK writes a book, or maybe MB or someone else in the draft room at the time will confess eventually.
Anyone have a connection in the NSA? I bet they know. I read from either Gambo or Jurecki that the Cardinals did have a major concern over his accuracy issues ,that is Josh Allen of course. I would hope so! Either of those two sport reporters mentioned may or may not have an inside track - no way to know for sure. They could have been fed false info to throw competing teams off the real draft preferences. Both have been wrong in the past, and sometimes right too. I look at it as each if them has a job to write something for their living, same as others in that business. To some of us that makes them suspect from the start. |
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Post by knobby on May 27, 2018 20:08:16 GMT -7
Nor have any of us here spouting opinions. Therefore, no resolution as to who is correct. My sense is that Zaz may be closer to the truth, but it will remain one of life's mysteries unless SK writes a book, or maybe MB or someone else in the draft room at the time will confess eventually.
Anyone have a connection in the NSA? I bet they know.
Small addition to the above reply: If it was after the draft, could be right. If before, could also be smoke . . . either way you ruined my NSA joke . . .  |
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Post by thesmel on May 27, 2018 20:20:06 GMT -7
I thought Matt leinart was a blessing - so call me cautiously optimistic- I know Sam Bradford is a keeper when healthy - top sacker in Jones - top RB in DJ - top cb in Peterson, and Larry the legend - I like our chances to the Super Bowl - just need to keep it balanced and kick az
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Post by Boomer on May 28, 2018 6:09:15 GMT -7
Someone in the Cardinals organization was enamored with Allen. Just watch all the Flight Plan videos and he is mentioned/featured a lot more than any other QB. So much so that I thought he would be our pick. Could just be coincidence, but he fit the mold of QBs we typically gravitated towards in the last few years and all the face time he was getting in our media was hard to ignore.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2018 6:25:46 GMT -7
Someone in the Cardinals organization was enamored with Allen. Just watch all the Flight Plan videos and he is mentioned/featured a lot more than any other QB. So much so that I thought he would be our pick. Could just be coincidence, but he fit the mold of QBs we typically gravitated towards in the last few years and all the face time he was getting in our media was hard to ignore. I saw the same thing for Mayfield as well and on the old MB pointed that out.
But that Draft day Video of the Org setting things up to pick in the 10th shows the intensity of the Draft War room in getting a Top QB in the draft. And they were Very Happy it was Rosen. No remorse that Mayfield, Darnold or Allen were already gone. Just intensity to get Rosen, not Lamar Jackson or Mason Rudolph.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on May 28, 2018 6:29:57 GMT -7
Someone in the Cardinals organization was enamored with Allen. Just watch all the Flight Plan videos and he is mentioned/featured a lot more than any other QB. So much so that I thought he would be our pick. Could just be coincidence, but he fit the mold of QBs we typically gravitated towards in the last few years and all the face time he was getting in our media was hard to ignore. When the smoke settles the truth will come but I think Josh Allen was our front offices smoke screen and believe their real targets were one of their top 3 and I say their top three were Rosen Darnold or Mayfield but don't have a clue which order. I will say this head to head Rosen did better then Darnold. |
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Post by Dry Heat on May 28, 2018 7:27:19 GMT -7
When Allen was the most talked about in the “Flight Plan” videos...media controlled by the Cardinals organization for content...I became pretty sure Allen was our smoke screen. It would have been epically to project strong desire for a QB prospect before the draft.
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