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Post by pajaro cerebro on May 25, 2018 22:28:27 GMT -7
It's Friday night and I'm bored so bear with me while I pose a question and poll to you guys.
I know I wasn't the only guy here that was bummed that the Cards drafted D Buc instead of trading down and getting Derek Carr a few years back.
And I know a lot of guys were upset that the 9ers traded a bag of chips for Jimmy G while it seemed like the Cards didn't even try to snag him.
And of course, a lot of guys (me included) were scratching our heads why the Cards didn't try to aggressively move to draft Mahomes or Watson.
So....given how it all shook out, would you guys have preferred that one of the above situations happened or are you totally happy with the way things turned out with Rosen as the QBOTF and Bradford and Glennon as bridge pick ups?
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Post by knobby on May 25, 2018 23:29:10 GMT -7
I voted for Carr because back then (and later also) it made sense to have someone coming up in the system. He seemed a good risk, and if we had taken him MAYBE he would have been brought along slowly and not been thrown to the wolves and devoured. I say maybe because we will never know, just as with all the other names mentioned above who may be good over time.
It was frustrating to go year after year without a prospect with a decent chance to make it, but yes, lady luck has (knock on wood) smiled on our current gift from the football gods. Fingers crossed that he lasts and prospers with us... so the last choice is valid, too - in hindsight.
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Post by In the Cards on May 26, 2018 1:45:12 GMT -7
I think Rosen has a much higher ceiling than any of those guys, including Carr. Yeah, it sucked to have a loyal-to-a-fault BA and a declining palmer those last couple years, but things are looking up for cardinal fans for the first time in a while.
Of course, nothing is proven or a given, but here is what we have.
The perfect bridge QB in SB to mentor Rosen and set up the offense for him.
A promising QBoF.
A smart and adaptable coaching staff.
A GM that's shown he will take risks and land good trades.
An owner committed to winning and bringing championships.
Who knows what would life would be like if the cardinals drafted carr over Bucc. Maybe 2014 would have ended much differently with us defeating Carolina. Perhaps 2015 would have been a lot less successful without the MVP candidate palmer. We don't know. What I do know is the cardinals have hit the hard reset button and have a promising future. Now that we're in 2018, I'm happy to be where we are.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on May 26, 2018 7:11:35 GMT -7
BA was an excellent coach. However, he did have his shortcomings. I’m not sure Carr would have blossomed in his system. The OL play has been a weak spot on the team for decades, it seems. BA didn’t trust rookies and may have held him back, in favor of CP. I truly believe that over the next 6 years Rosen will have a better career than Carr. BA, is my favorite Cardinal HC in recent history ( 20 yrs ) but, there were a lot of high draft pick misses. I’m hoping that trend will change, and we will mentor draft picks in a more positive way. The Keim time FA signings have been mostly positive, but it’s a tough way to build a team. Young and inexpensive players should be the way to begin building a winning franchise.
I’m a Carr fan, and I believe he will have a good career. Unfortunately it takes a great qb to win Super Bowls. Hopefully Rosen will be great, not just good.
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Post by Rimrock on May 26, 2018 12:19:08 GMT -7
I`m totally happy with the way it turned out...but thats right now this minute..lol...the "IF" game has no ending....so..i`m good  |
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Post by Zaz on May 26, 2018 12:32:34 GMT -7
Turned out good in the end.
*CAVEAT* Keim is not a genius. He got daaaaamn lucky. Same deal with David Johnson. Somebody else made a mistake and it saved Keims bacon.
Im tired on relying on luck to succeed. Id much prefer Keim actually had a plan and execute it. If Keim had a good idea (plan) he would land Rosen in the draft, then he wouldnt have overpaid Sam Bradford and Mike Glennon. Hes flailing in the wind.
Im happy we got Rosen. Reality is Keim wanted Josh Allen. So again, fate saving us.
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Post by pajaro cerebro on May 26, 2018 12:43:51 GMT -7
For the record, I voted Carr because that's how I felt ever since we drafted D Buc. But I'm totally happy with the way things turned out. Like Zaz said, it's like David Johnson.
One thing that really warms my Cardinal cockles is that for the first time I can remember, the fans seem to be in almost universal excitement about what the future brings. And I haven't heard many if any complaints about how the draft turned out and our QBOTF situation.
I'm really excited about the future of the Cardinals.
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Post by ariphin on May 26, 2018 13:14:00 GMT -7
While it isn't my first choice, it turned out well. Rosen will hopefully have the humility to learn from Bradford. And if he develops well be set for years to come. Overpaying for Bradford isn't that big of a thing in grand scheme of things.
That said I like what SF was able to do.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2018 13:50:45 GMT -7
Turned out good in the end. *CAVEAT* Keim is not a genius. He got daaaaamn lucky. Same deal with David Johnson. Somebody else made a mistake and it saved Keims bacon. Im tired on relying on luck to succeed. Id much prefer Keim actually had a plan and execute it. If Keim had a good idea (plan) he would land Rosen in the draft, then he wouldnt have overpaid Sam Bradford and Mike Glennon. Hes flailing in the wind. Im happy we got Rosen. Reality is Keim wanted Josh Allen. So again, fate saving us. OT-Reality is that you are spouting the same erroneous misinformation that you did on the old MB where you were again proven to be wrong about Keim "wanted Josh Allen".
And who made the mistake that allowed us to trade up for Rosen? Every team that passed on him? You know how that argument goes.
As for the Poll I voted happy how it turned out.
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Post by Boomer on May 26, 2018 14:51:04 GMT -7
SK may not be a "genius" but he is above average when it comes to GMs of NFL franchises. We have enjoyed lots of success where in the past there wasn't much to cheer about. Sure he has stubbed his toe from time to time but the miscues have been fewer than the winners and some of the home runs he's hit have been spectacular.
I like where we are now and in particular having Rosen, Bradford and Glennon paired with McCoy who if anything is very good at tailoring offenses to fit his players instead of "the system works, we just need to implement the system" excuses.
Can't wait to see what the SK haters post up next year with the **** ton of cap money to spent....should be interesting as there isn't anyway to say he "accidentally" or "lucked" his way into the $90mil we will have.
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Post by Zaz on May 26, 2018 15:02:34 GMT -7
Turned out good in the end. *CAVEAT* Keim is not a genius. He got daaaaamn lucky. Same deal with David Johnson. Somebody else made a mistake and it saved Keims bacon. Im tired on relying on luck to succeed. Id much prefer Keim actually had a plan and execute it. If Keim had a good idea (plan) he would land Rosen in the draft, then he wouldnt have overpaid Sam Bradford and Mike Glennon. Hes flailing in the wind. Im happy we got Rosen. Reality is Keim wanted Josh Allen. So again, fate saving us. OT-Reality is that you are spouting the same erroneous misinformation that you did on the old MB where you were again proven to be wrong about Keim "wanted Josh Allen".
Just like Keim wanted David Johnson? No. He wanted Ameer Abdullah. The Lions saved him from himself. Just like the Bills took his boy Allen. |
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Post by Rimrock on May 26, 2018 15:55:46 GMT -7
OT-Reality is that you are spouting the same erroneous misinformation that you did on the old MB where you were again proven to be wrong about Keim "wanted Josh Allen".
Just like Keim wanted David Johnson? No. He wanted Ameer Abdullah. The Lions saved him from himself. Just like the Bills took his boy Allen. I thought it was pretty much proved that Rosen was always the target?? maybe i dreamt that part..at any rate we have DJ and JR now and by hook or crook thats all that matters........all the rest is static and sour milk  |
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Post by Vesely22 on May 26, 2018 16:45:15 GMT -7
I’m happy how it turned out.
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Post by SMITTY on May 26, 2018 20:03:23 GMT -7
Getting Rosen was a blessing. Now if we could manage to get a pro bowl season out of Bradford, yeah maybe a bit too greedy.
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Post by Rimrock on May 26, 2018 20:26:17 GMT -7
Getting Rosen was a blessing. Now if we could manage to a pro bowl season out of Bradford, yeah maybe a bit too greedy. Thats Not too greedy!! We deserve a Break!! |
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