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Post by devongent on Jul 11, 2022 9:43:52 GMT -7
A bit off subject, but maybe some NCAA football programs should go away if they cannot compete for player talent that earns gate receipts and attracts booster funds. Hate to say that, but families and students should NOT be subsidizing the cost of college sports programs through jacked up tuition fees. Many kids have to borrow the money just to enroll. If ten cents of every dollar paid for tuition is re-routed to sports, that's potentially thousands of dollars of additional loan debt a student has to pay back. And not one penny of that sports debt was used for the kid's 'education.' I'm off my soap box now. No problem, I think that's a very valid and soundly constructed soap box to stand on. With the SEC and Big 10 conferences now emerging as preeminent (in turns of money they will get on the TV contracts) then I am wondering if some colleges will take stock and be content to compete at a lower level of competition? (if you are operating outside of the two big conferences and it is now deemed impossible to reach the pinnacle then why even try?). Might Arizona and Arizona State be best advised to hang around in a league out west? There may be a lower financial benefit income, but costs may be reduced and tailored, which could well compensate for the reduction. It seems at this stage these two colleges are likely to end up in a 'tier 2' conference, whether that's by moving over to the Big 12, or via a reconstructed Pac-12 (certainly Washington and Oregon will be seeking a high level of competition). No-one has a glass ball to the future and from what you read all of this is very fluid and uncertain. If a significant number of teams do leave the Pac-12 and it folds as an entity then would it be such a bad idea from Arizona/ Arizona State to hang around and join a reconstituted conference from a mixture of current Pac-12 and Mountain West teams. You might say this would be a backward step and that the colleges are then resigned to 'tier 3' status. Prestige is a big consideration and (I suspect) no-one is going to be keen to give such up lightly. However, geography does matter and playing sport regularly against similar status colleges out west will develop intense rivalries and become a spectacle in its own right. The key is that teams will be competing on a roughly level playing field (in terms of the finances) and, therefore, each college will have a genuine chance to win and prosper. Final thought; from afar it does always seem that the Mountain West competition is looked down upon. Not sure if that's correct or not, but also might the Power 5 teams be trying to guard their own 'superior status'. Being blunt about it are the likes of the Arizona teams that much superior to the best in the Mountain West, it all might be illusionary...!
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Post by devongent on Jul 11, 2022 14:18:22 GMT -7
However, geography does matter and playing sport regularly against similar status colleges out west will develop intense rivalries and become a spectacle in its own right. My above thought pattern is way out of touch apparently: Within the article, below - "Leave geography out of it, too. That's irrelevant. The days of geographical rivalries are done. That's the old way of thinking. That's your grandfather's college football." www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/the-future-of-the-big-12-best-and-worst-case-scenarios/ar-AAZsQQW
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Post by End Zone on Jul 11, 2022 14:23:58 GMT -7
However, geography does matter and playing sport regularly against similar status colleges out west will develop intense rivalries and become a spectacle in its own right. My above thought pattern is way out of touch apparently: Within the article, below - "Leave geography out of it, too. That's irrelevant. The days of geographical rivalries are done. That's the old way of thinking. That's your grandfather's college football." www.msn.com/en-us/sports/ncaafb/the-future-of-the-big-12-best-and-worst-case-scenarios/ar-AAZsQQWThanks for the minute-gram, devongent! Well said. We can apply the same logic to the NFL. Leave geography out it. If that is done, how do networks and fans react? How does that affect conference and division play? Probably no differently than the day the Cardinals open against the Chief. It's just another game. I note with interest that the soccer world has a premier league and certain teams are either top tier or among the has-beens. Am I right or wrong? Imagine our wonderful Cardinals being regarded as "Premier."
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Post by devongent on Jul 12, 2022 0:31:36 GMT -7
We can apply the same logic to the NFL. Leave geography out it. If that is done, how do networks and fans react? How does that affect conference and division play? Probably no differently than the day the Cardinals open against the Chief. It's just another game. I note with interest that the soccer world has a premier league and certain teams are either top tier or among the has-beens. Am I right or wrong? Imagine our wonderful Cardinals being regarded as "Premier." I could see a day when the divisional matches are watered down to one game a season (home - away alternate years). TBH I would welcome such as this would give an increased variety of opponent. - I would be interested to know what the season ticket holders on here think; are the games v the Rams, 49ers and Seahawks the one's people look forward to the most every year, or is there a sense of 'its just another game'? - Perhaps some NFL rivalries are more intense (Steelers v Ravens, for example) and maybe the fanbase crave these fixtures like no other. I think the two conferences are here to stay. Soccer in English Premier League is a highly successful business and attracts fandom from all over the world. Who am I to say they have got it wrong?! However, there are now a small elite of clubs within, which is fueled by money (wealth of individual owners) and it would be a sad day indeed if the NFL followed this model. It could happen by gradual drift should the rulers of the game not set the correct boundaries and enforce these. - I don't think the Cardinals are ever destined to be an 'elite team' (say, top eight in spending resources), such will be reserved for the 'big city' teams. In the current structure at least the Cardinals have a chance! Going back to college football then the more the centralization of wealth & power in certain leagues/ teams (SEC/ Big 10) then the less I would be inclined to take any interest in them. I don't watch any college football at all (excepting a bit of research around draft time), but if I did it certainly wouldn't now be either of these two leagues. I quite like the thought of a reconstituted league out west and a good honest competition with big rivalries. The standard will be of a lower level, but then there is the NFL the following day! - Yes, I can see it now and the Corinthian Spirit is re-born! www.phrases.org.uk/bulletin_board/60/messages/946.html#:~:text=%3A%20%3A%20%27Corinthian%20Spirit%27%20is%20the%20spirit%20of,English%20football%20%28soccer%20for%20Westpondians%29%20team%2C%20Corinthian%20FC.
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Post by NorthernSoul on Jul 13, 2022 6:27:11 GMT -7
I suggest the two new super conferences are called the BIG1 and the other one. SEC fans would love that I'm sure :-)
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