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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 19, 2022 16:11:37 GMT -7
Thought some of you miight like this with all the war going on.
PutMein can you explain what Stigler was gestiuring? I would like to know.
My dad was shot down in WWII over Kunming China.
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Post by thomas cat on Apr 19, 2022 20:34:06 GMT -7
A very interesting and well-made video about something I did not know about. I googled it and found it's about an incident that really did happen. It just shows you, most solders don't really want to kill anybody. They are just put into an impossible situation. Just think about it. Here is a German solder that history says we should hate, yet he showed great compassion for his adversary. No doubt, this very kind of thing is playing out in the Ukraine war right now. I don't hate the Russian people....hell they have been brainwashed....but I truly hate the Russian President. All this suffering, death and destruction is all on him....maybe that's as far as I should go on that. I'm sorry to hear about you dad. I'm a little foggy about the details of history, but was he one of the few that were fighting the Japanese before we declared war on them. The fact that he was shot down over China makes me think so. From admittedly foggy recollection, we did have volunteers that fought them at that time but it was not official. I also lost a family member during WW2 on D-day. It was my uncle . I never knew him so I'm not that emotional about it, still it makes me proud that a kin of mine fought to save the world from megalomaniacs like Hitler and the Russian President. Edit: After many failed edits, I finally realized I can't say certain names...that's fine and maybe for the best...
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 20, 2022 16:29:50 GMT -7
A very interesting and well-made video about something I did not know about. I googled it and found it's about an incident that really did happen. It just shows you, most solders don't really want to kill anybody. They are just put into an impossible situation. Just think about it. Here is a German solder that history says we should hate, yet he showed great compassion for his adversary. No doubt, this very kind of thing is playing out in the Ukraine war right now. I don't hate the Russian people....hell they have been brainwashed....but I truly hate the Russian President. All this suffering, death and destruction is all on him....maybe that's as far as I should go on that. I'm sorry to hear about you dad. I'm a little foggy about the details of history, but was he one of the few that were fighting the Japanese before we declared war on them. The fact that he was shot down over China makes me think so. From admittedly foggy recollection, we did have volunteers that fought them at that time but it was not official. I also lost a family member during WW2 on D-day. It was my uncle . I never knew him so I'm not that emotional about it, still it makes me proud that a kin of mine fought to save the world from megalomaniacs like Hitler and the Russian President. Edit: After many failed edits, I finally realized I can't say certain names...that's fine and maybe for the best... Hi Thomascat. Hope you and your family are doing well. WWII was terrible, I am sorry for your family's loss. Your uncle should make you proud, I too lost an uncle at the Battle of Market Garden which the allies were routed. My uncle, who I never met was killed in a tank battle. Sadly his wife my aunt died at age 36 of lung cancer. I was told she smoked heavily many packs a day. Was it a nervous habit I dont know. My father's story is a different, He bailed out of the plane after the captain told the crew to bail out. (He never saw any of the crew again) My dad's story goes like this. One of the very few stories he shared with me. He parachuted down and the Japanese were shooting at them He got down quickly and his parachute got tangled up in a bayonet of a Japanese soldier. My dad was a big tall guy. He got into hand to hand fighting and thought he was going to get shot but an Officer japanese saw my dad and said keep him for interogation. To make a long story short, My father was a POW for 4 months. He said he even hit one of the enemy soldiers because he hit my dad in the back of the head with a rifle butt, Why wasn't he killed? His explanattion was this was a Japanese medical unit. He said they would do things like inject urine into them to see what effect it had on them. There were other experiments too. He and another soldier divised a way to escape digging a hole along the chow line. They hid in the hole and escaped as the Americans and Chinese were advancing in the area. The Japanese had to retreat and leave. The local Chinese hid my father and the other soldier and they got back to safety. I lost another uncle who was on the USS Hornet My dad's younger brother. His death was a tragic accident He was killed by a drunk driver while walking back to base after being released from the hospital. I was told this by my family and researched it. s This was part of his obituary. He was 24 when he died. was an Aviation Machinist Mate 2nd Class. He had served 4 years, 7 1/2 months in the U.S. Navy. An autopsy showed he received intra-cranial injuries in a car accident that occurred on August 10, 1945 at Quonset Point, RI I never met these two uncles but one day I will. I wont forget them they got me here. One last thing, TCMy father knew LT General Claire Chennault
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Post by End Zone on Apr 21, 2022 5:20:27 GMT -7
Thought some of you miight like this with all the war going on. PutMein can you explain what Stigler was gestiuring? I would like to know. My dad was shot down in WWII over Kunming China. FLCF, That was indeed a different outcome for a wartime air combat situation. Typically, bomber and fighter pilots react to their training and think later. After all, in air combat, speed = life. These two crews did fight hard. But they also did some thinking at exactly the right time. I cannot determine within my experiences what the two pilots were gesturing to each other in the animation. Maybe the fighter pilot Stigler was gesturing to the bomber pilot Brown to 'descend' or 'lower landing gear.' Either action is a demonstration of 'surrendering.' The fact that the German fighter came alongside the US bomber on the starboard side also is a sign of non-aggression, and the bomber crew picked up on that fact. The bomber later did not shoot at the fighter when it moved to the port side of the bomber--a signal that the bomber still had some fight left in it if forced to fight to the end. Earlier during the initial intercept, the fighter pilot could have finished off the bomber, but decided not to shoot, and instead came alongside and surveyed the shot-up bomber. The fighter pilot could see that the bomber and crew was in bad shape. Was that the moment the fighter pilot granted mercy and became an airborne escort that led the bomber to safety over the Channel rather than continue the air combat fighting to the death? The silent animation leads viewers to that conclusion. An amazing story was told years later because one man set his national politics the global war aside for a just a few minutes. One man chose mercy rather than death. Your WWII video reminded me of another air-to-air engagement that turned out entirely different some 40 years later. Below, I offer a 45-minute Discovery Channel video about an air-to-air engagement between a Korean 747 and Soviet Su-15 fighter that occurred over the darkened western Pacific Ocean in late summer 1983. At the time of the engagement, mercy was rarely an option between the US and the Soviet military forces during the tense Cold War. "Shoot first, ask questions later," was the standard motto for most front lines. The facts of the night would not be revealed by all sides (US, Soviet, and ROK, and KAL) for many, many years. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kal+shootdown&docid=608002498487978502&mid=96399FA15334893BDF2096399FA15334893BDF20&view=detail&FORM=VIREPutMeIn
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 21, 2022 17:34:00 GMT -7
A very interesting and well-made video about something I did not know about. I googled it and found it's about an incident that really did happen. It just shows you, most solders don't really want to kill anybody. They are just put into an impossible situation. Just think about it. Here is a German solder that history says we should hate, yet he showed great compassion for his adversary. No doubt, this very kind of thing is playing out in the Ukraine war right now. I don't hate the Russian people....hell they have been brainwashed....but I truly hate the Russian President. All this suffering, death and destruction is all on him....maybe that's as far as I should go on that. I'm sorry to hear about you dad. I'm a little foggy about the details of history, but was he one of the few that were fighting the Japanese before we declared war on them. The fact that he was shot down over China makes me think so. From admittedly foggy recollection, we did have volunteers that fought them at that time but it was not official. I also lost a family member during WW2 on D-day. It was my uncle . I never knew him so I'm not that emotional about it, still it makes me proud that a kin of mine fought to save the world from megalomaniacs like Hitler and the Russian President. Edit: After many failed edits, I finally realized I can't say certain names...that's fine and maybe for the best... Your Uncle is a man to be proud of What a hero!
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Post by thomas cat on Apr 21, 2022 19:14:12 GMT -7
That is one hell of a story about your father. When you said he was shot down over China, I assumed the worse. I'm so glad he managed to survive. Still, I can't even imagine what he went through. While I was in the military and served 14 months right on the DMZ in Korea, my time was a cake walk compared to what others have seen or gone through. As far as LT General Claire Chennault goes. I didn't recognize the name, so I looked it up. "Who was General Claire Chennault?" "Maj. Gen. Claire Lee Chennault was a World War II leader of the famed Flying Tigers in China, for whom Chennault Air Force Base, Lake Charles, La., is named. He was born Commerce, Texas, 1890; died New Orleans, La., July 27, 1958. Claire Chennault, legendary hero of the air war against the Japanese, grew up in Louisiana."As I said before, my knowledge of history is not perfect, but he was apparently the leader of that voluntary force stationed in China to fight Japan that I mentioned. A little more information on him and the Flying Tigers.... linkOne last thing. From that link I posted about my uncle. You might try putting in your uncle's name in the name search box at the top of the page. I tried it with a person that I knew that was killed in Vietnam....sure enough, he was listed with information and a picture as well.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 21, 2022 21:03:07 GMT -7
Thought some of you miight like this with all the war going on. PutMein can you explain what Stigler was gestiuring? I would like to know. My dad was shot down in WWII over Kunming China. FLCF, That was indeed a different outcome for a wartime air combat situation. Typically, bomber and fighter pilots react to their training and think later. After all, in air combat, speed = life. These two crews did fight hard. But they also did some thinking at exactly the right time. I cannot determine within my experiences what the two pilots were gesturing to each other in the animation. Maybe the fighter pilot Stigler was gesturing to the bomber pilot Brown to 'descend' or 'lower landing gear.' Either action is a demonstration of 'surrendering.' The fact that the German fighter came alongside the US bomber on the starboard side also is a sign of non-aggression, and the bomber crew picked up on that fact. The bomber later did not shoot at the fighter when it moved to the port side of the bomber--a signal that the bomber still had some fight left in it if forced to fight to the end. Earlier during the initial intercept, the fighter pilot could have finished off the bomber, but decided not to shoot, and instead came alongside and surveyed the shot-up bomber. The fighter pilot could see that the bomber and crew was in bad shape. Was that the moment the fighter pilot granted mercy and became an airborne escort that led the bomber to safety over the Channel rather than continue the air combat fighting to the death? The silent animation leads viewers to that conclusion. An amazing story was told years later because one man set his national politics the global war aside for a just a few minutes. One man chose mercy rather than death. Your WWII video reminded me of another air-to-air engagement that turned out entirely different some 40 years later. Below, I offer a 45-minute Discovery Channel video about an air-to-air engagement between a Korean 747 and Soviet Su-15 fighter that occurred over the darkened western Pacific Ocean in late summer 1983. At the time of the engagement, mercy was rarely an option between the US and the Soviet military forces during the tense Cold War. "Shoot first, ask questions later," was the standard motto for most front lines. The facts of the night would not be revealed by all sides (US, Soviet, and ROK, and KAL) for many, many years. www.bing.com/videos/search?q=kal+shootdown&docid=608002498487978502&mid=96399FA15334893BDF2096399FA15334893BDF20&view=detail&FORM=VIREPutMeIn I followed this story when it happened. Such a tragic outcome for the families involved. I watched your video link again. Thanks Putmein
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 21, 2022 21:05:56 GMT -7
That is one hell of a story about your father. When you said he was shot down over China, I assumed the worse. I'm so glad he managed to survive. Still, I can't even imagine what he went through. While I was in the military and served 14 months right on the DMZ in Korea, my time was a cake walk compared to what others have seen or gone through. As far as LT General Claire Chennault goes. I didn't recognize the name, so I looked it up. "Who was General Claire Chennault?" "Maj. Gen. Claire Lee Chennault was a World War II leader of the famed Flying Tigers in China, for whom Chennault Air Force Base, Lake Charles, La., is named. He was born Commerce, Texas, 1890; died New Orleans, La., July 27, 1958. Claire Chennault, legendary hero of the air war against the Japanese, grew up in Louisiana."As I said before, my knowledge of history is not perfect, but he was apparently the leader of that voluntary force stationed in China to fight Japan that I mentioned. A little more information on him and the Flying Tigers.... linkOne last thing. From that link I posted about my uncle. You might try putting in your uncle's name in the name search box at the top of the page. I tried it with a person that I knew that was killed in Vietnam....sure enough, he was listed with information and a picture as well. I could not find my relatives there, I know the site says they must have died in combat. My Uncle Jack Childers was killed in a tank battle at Market Garden. I wasnt expecting to find my uncle Anton as he was not killed in action.
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