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Post by JustTwoBeers on May 23, 2018 6:24:39 GMT -7
I think our LB core is one of the weakest areas in our defense. I don't trust buchanon to actually play LB well.
I hope we bring in Mychal Kendricks.
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Post by itancanwa on May 23, 2018 7:01:36 GMT -7
I don't see Buck having a good year. Not if the D line is a one gap and attacking style. O lines will run all over him if the D line doesn't keep him clean. He just isn't big enough to take on O guards. I think he is really out of place in a 4-3 scheme.
Bynes in the other hand I see has having a great year. I think this guy is going to make a lot of people sit up and take notice. Reddick I not sure about. He is either going to have a good year or turn into a bust. He also might be better suited as a WILL line backer rather than a SAM.
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Post by Zaz on May 23, 2018 9:15:15 GMT -7
And play in the place of who?
Bucc and Reddick are 1st rounder. We sure as heck better start them. Ill be disgusted if Reddick is another bust. In his defense, we need to let him play first. Dude cant learn if he doesnt play.
So really your only option is Josh Bynes, and I like Josh Bynes. WAAAY cheaper than Kendricks and I dont think Kendricks is that substantial of an upgrade on Bynes.
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Post by CardsFanQC on May 23, 2018 11:52:04 GMT -7
Another Bynes -type player for depth who is available and is only age 27 (won't cost that much but surely would help depth) is --
Gerald Hodges, ILB, 82.4 overall grade in 2016
[Excerpt from a PFF article for 2016 season] Hodges is just 26 years old and finished 2016 with the 21st-highest overall grade among qualified linebackers. Hodges’ 15 run stops last season were the 15th most out of 58 linebackers, and he and NaVorro Bowman teamed up to create one of the few formidable units that the 49ers possessed in 2016.
NOTE: I took his 2016 PFF because with the Saints last year he and the DC didn't mesh but he did AVERAGE 73 tackles per season for the 3 previous years (2014 - 2016) and his forte is as a run-stuffer but decent in pass defense as well. Penn State pedigree ---
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Post by Darth Llama on May 23, 2018 16:29:44 GMT -7
Another Bynes -type player for depth who is available and is only age 27 (won't cost that much but surely would help depth) is --
Gerald Hodges, ILB, 82.4 overall grade in 2016
[Excerpt from a PFF article for 2016 season] Hodges is just 26 years old and finished 2016 with the 21st-highest overall grade among qualified linebackers. Hodges’ 15 run stops last season were the 15th most out of 58 linebackers, and he and NaVorro Bowman teamed up to create one of the few formidable units that the 49ers possessed in 2016.
NOTE: I took his 2016 PFF because with the Saints last year he and the DC didn't mesh but he did AVERAGE 73 tackles per season for the 3 previous years (2014 - 2016) and his forte is as a run-stuffer but decent in pass defense as well. Penn State pedigree ---
Hodges is a guy I don't understand.. He has excelled everywhere he has gone, and still can't seem to latch on anywhere. He's been nothing but a solid player since the day he was drafted but here we are deep into free agency and he's just sitting at home waiting for the phone to ring. I don't get it, but I would be happy to see the Cardinals take advantage. Hodges is a very solid player and I would love to have him.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 5:27:38 GMT -7
Buc, Bynes, and Reddick started to develop some chemistry for the LB corp. Not sure why some want to tear it up when it's just getting started. And Bynes is actually the weak link of the 3. He's a good LB but he's still not the level of athlete Buc is nor the level that Reddick can be.
Mychal Kendrick's stats:
Season Team Tackles Interceptions Fumbles G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 15 13 77 55 22 2.0 -- 6 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 2016 Philadelphia Eagles 15 8 32 23 9 0.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 2015 Philadelphia Eagles 13 13 86 64 22 3.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1 2014 Philadelphia Eagles 12 11 83 62 21 4.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 3 2013 Philadelphia Eagles 15 15 106 81 25 4.0 -- 4 3 25 8.3 18 0 2 2012 Philadelphia Eagles 15 14 75 58 17 1.0 -- 9 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 TOTAL 459 343 116 14.0 0 26 3 25 -- 18 0 6
Is he worth spending $6 mill/year on for 2-3 years? Is he worth burning up that much cap space from next years Treasure trove?
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Post by Boomer on May 24, 2018 7:04:32 GMT -7
Buc, Bynes, and Reddick started to develop some chemistry for the LB corp. Not sure why some want to tear it up when it's just getting started. And Bynes is actually the weak link of the 3. He's a good LB but he's still not the level of athlete Buc is nor the level that Reddick can be. Mychal Kendrick's stats: Season Team Tackles Interceptions Fumbles G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 15 13 77 55 22 2.0 -- 6 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 2016 Philadelphia Eagles 15 8 32 23 9 0.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 2015 Philadelphia Eagles 13 13 86 64 22 3.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1 2014 Philadelphia Eagles 12 11 83 62 21 4.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 3 2013 Philadelphia Eagles 15 15 106 81 25 4.0 -- 4 3 25 8.3 18 0 2 2012 Philadelphia Eagles 15 14 75 58 17 1.0 -- 9 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 TOTAL 459 343 116 14.0 0 26 3 25 -- 18 0 6 Is he worth spending $6 mill/year on for 2-3 years? Is he worth burning up that much cap space from next years Treasure trove? According to Bynes he's the starting MLB and will be the QB of the defense and calling all the plays.
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Post by Zaz on May 24, 2018 8:22:08 GMT -7
Is he worth spending $6 mill/year on for 2-3 years? Is he worth burning up that much cap space from next years Treasure trove? He is not worth that much cap space. Our entire focus when it comes to cap space and future cap space should be OL. Going and spending money on a LB is a luxury. We just drafted an injury prone QBOTF. I am pinching every darn penny we have to make sure when 2019 Free Agency rolls up, we have the funds to pay every pro bowl fat boy out there to come play for us.
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Post by Deleted on May 24, 2018 10:17:39 GMT -7
Buc, Bynes, and Reddick started to develop some chemistry for the LB corp. Not sure why some want to tear it up when it's just getting started. And Bynes is actually the weak link of the 3. He's a good LB but he's still not the level of athlete Buc is nor the level that Reddick can be. Mychal Kendrick's stats: Season Team Tackles Interceptions Fumbles G GS Comb Total Ast Sck SFTY PDef Int Yds Avg Lng TDs FF 2017 Philadelphia Eagles 15 13 77 55 22 2.0 -- 6 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 2016 Philadelphia Eagles 15 8 32 23 9 0.0 -- 1 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 2015 Philadelphia Eagles 13 13 86 64 22 3.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 1 2014 Philadelphia Eagles 12 11 83 62 21 4.0 -- 3 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 3 2013 Philadelphia Eagles 15 15 106 81 25 4.0 -- 4 3 25 8.3 18 0 2 2012 Philadelphia Eagles 15 14 75 58 17 1.0 -- 9 -- -- 0.0 -- -- 0 TOTAL 459 343 116 14.0 0 26 3 25 -- 18 0 6 Is he worth spending $6 mill/year on for 2-3 years? Is he worth burning up that much cap space from next years Treasure trove? According to Bynes he's the starting MLB and will be the QB of the defense and calling all the plays. Must have changed recently. Since at beginning of OTAs HC Wilks talked about Buc making the calls. But even so, I did say Bynes was a Good LB just not as athletic as Buc or Reddick. And I still stand by the statement as such Bynes is the weak link. How weak is this LB corp? I don't think it's as bad as has been stated. Because we have posters who are worried over this set of LBs.
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Post by NorthernSoul on May 25, 2018 3:27:04 GMT -7
Buc will be used, IMO, more in the 'extra' safety role in what I think will be a more 4-2-5 type, Dime D. The league is evolving, and with all the passing now in the game, and the rules to encourage more flashy passing plays, a rigid 4-3-4 is going to become old and out dated. In this case I think Buc finds himself on the field more, but in a slightly different role to the one he has had so far. Within the division, the Seahawks run game is a work in progress. The 9ers are hoping they are going to improve on the back of Garopollo's arm. So that's 4 games where Buc, IMO, will be better used in coverage, rather than up in the front 7. Only L.A. with Gurley, in division, offer a really strong ground game. In those 2 games, maybe Buc sees less time? It will be interesting to see.
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Post by itancanwa on May 25, 2018 6:47:47 GMT -7
Bucks weakest area is coverage. That's why he was moved from safety to LB.
Joseph at the end of the year I think Bynes comes out as the best LB of the 3. I think this kid takes the next step. Buck I see as having the worst year of his career. Simply because of how the D line plays it this year. Reddick I just don't see him ever being anything special. This one I hope I'm wrong about.
Just because someone is more athletic than another person doens't mean their a better player.
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Post by Deleted on May 25, 2018 7:23:14 GMT -7
Bucks weakest area is coverage. That's why he was moved from safety to LB.
Joseph at the end of the year I think Bynes comes out as the best LB of the 3. I think this kid takes the next step. Buck I see as having the worst year of his career. Simply because of how the D line plays it this year. Reddick I just don't see him ever being anything special. This one I hope I'm wrong about.
Just because someone is more athletic than another person doens't mean their a better player. I'll address this in parts: 1. Buc was not moved from safety because he was weak in coverage. He was moved to $LB because he was versatile And could cover. Also he was filling a hole left by DWash and his antics that took him out of the picture. Otherwise Buc could've been our next Adrian Wilson, if he could've been left at his drafted position. Circumstances and his athleticism changed that scenario with the Cards. And as such he and the cards started a new LB position that many in the league are trying to copy. 2. Bynes was only better because Buc was still coming back from last offseason ankle surgery. Bynes until he became a Cardinal and realized he better step his game up was a journeyman LB at best. He's made good progress while being a Cardinal. Good enough to become a starter. But this is what is concerning some posters that say our LB corp is weak. 3.Reddick was trained to do one job during the offseason and TC last year only to have to change his rookie trained position because Golden went down. He is still a work in progress that DC Holcomb and HC Wilks will mold into the LB/DE they see him as. His story is still unfolding. So how anyone "sees" him is totally subjective right now with a new Coaching staff. 4. Athleticism is a bonus and if used with proper training is what makes an avg player a good player and so on. If Bynes was a bit faster, a bit quicker Detroit would've never let him go. But by letting him go it made bynes realize he had to hone his craft that much harder to win a starting position on any team. This is a good thing that he is doing this. But he's not going to be tracking down those speedy WRs or RBs as well as Buc or Reddick by physicality, only by "smarts".
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Post by thomas cat on May 25, 2018 18:42:49 GMT -7
I do agree our linebacker core is a big question mark. Rather than get into how good or bad it might be. Take a look at this guy. UDFA LB Frank GindaNot saying he will even make the team, but as an UDFA, I think he shows a lot of promise. If nothing else, maybe as special team player.
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