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Post by aris on Oct 26, 2021 9:29:42 GMT -7
He looks like an old man with a bad back.
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 26, 2021 9:34:07 GMT -7
Maybe Chandler Jones can help him out with that. A sack or two should help loosen it up.
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Post by aris on Oct 26, 2021 10:29:39 GMT -7
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 26, 2021 10:54:23 GMT -7
Going back in time, lets have a look at pre-draft reviews of Josh Jones from some respected commentators. Firstly Tony Pauline, who evidently had major doubts: www.profootballnetwork.com/houston-josh-jones-scouting-report-2020-nfl-draft/Secondly Joe Marino, who believed that a lot of development work would be necessary: thedraftnetwork.com/player/josh-jones/EdwZbsWiZAI have posted before and will do so again; this constant switching between Guard and Tackle has not done Josh any favors and in my opinion has contributed to his difficulties in adapting to the NFL. His 'best position' is still a mystery to me, but I am assuming that he was drafted as our 'Right Tackle of the future'. This is the one position he needed to be kept at and should this have required him to 'sit, learn and develop' for a couple of seasons then so be it. Adapting from college football to the NFL is difficult at any position, but on the OL I think this to be particularly so. Apart from understanding all the technical aspects the player also needs to gain strength and speed, and everything together is no easy task. - Picking OL high in the draft has its downside in that often a good prospect is not NFL-ready and teams are understandably keen to get a contribution pay-back ASAP. Herein lies the dilemma. Ultimately we (and all teams) need to be realistic and recruit good OL-men who have the physical tools and then give them the 'time and space' to learn their craft. Remember DJ Humphries was called "knee deep" by Arians? A lot of what Jones needs to learn is technique and leverage against stronger better opponents. I think he will be a very good lineman in this league. He's very athletic from his body type, I wouldnt be surprised to see him at RT one day. But wasn't knee-deep pretty strong coming out of college, especially given he was an underclassmen? That was the whole reason we took him. My two cents: I think Jones was a solid pick, based on the system KK thought he was going to run at the time. I think Keim thought the same. I'd love to know if Kugler thought that, because my gut says he didn't. I also think that's why Jones slid and we didn't use higher pick on him. Jones was definitely worth the pick, based on how KK thought he'd fit our system. A system which at the time was more focused on more passing and finesse runs. Then something changed the calculus. Kugler got in KK's ear and highlighted that we needed more of a power running game. Lo and behold, KK adjusted, and our offense started to take off. We now power run (albeit out of shotgun) and do lots of play action, and Jones did not have the strength to flourish in that system. Part of me thinks that's why he got moved to guard. He's got the skills to be a finesse tackle, but he's not strong enough to be a power run tackle. So you move him inside versus admitting it was a wasted pick. If he has the work ethic, and puts on strength, he could flourish. But it remains to be seen how long that will take. In the meantime, he's a liability at guard that's going to get Kyler hit. Conclusion. Picking Jones wasn't a mistake. If anything, management is doing the best to salvage a bad situation, and trying to adapt for an offense that's improved since Kugler's advice was taken. The only real mistake was thinking running the ball didn't matter. Had our coach known that from the start, several picks wouldn't have been wasted, and Kyler wouldn't be hurting as much as he is, from the hits he's taken. Had KK known that, we never take 3 WRs in one year or Jones. We'd probably have another DL/CB to boot, or maybe a TE
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 26, 2021 11:19:57 GMT -7
That throw was amazing. One of the best I’ve seen and it happened right in front of me. Im pumped that Murray is continuing to develop into a QB that looks to me like an even better Wilson. Three years in he is looking like a better runner and passer than Russell. These shortstop QB’s can move AND sling it.
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 26, 2021 11:22:20 GMT -7
Remember DJ Humphries was called "knee deep" by Arians? A lot of what Jones needs to learn is technique and leverage against stronger better opponents. I think he will be a very good lineman in this league. He's very athletic from his body type, I wouldnt be surprised to see him at RT one day. But wasn't knee-deep pretty strong coming out of college, especially given he was an underclassmen? That was the whole reason we took him. My two cents: I think Jones was a solid pick, based on the system KK thought he was going to run at the time. I think Keim thought the same. I'd love to know if Kugler thought that, because my gut says he didn't. I also think that's why Jones slid and we didn't use higher pick on him. Jones was definitely worth the pick, based on how KK thought he'd fit our system. A system which at the time was more focused on more passing and finesse runs. Then something changed the calculus. Kugler got in KK's ear and highlighted that we needed more of a power running game. Lo and behold, KK adjusted, and our offense started to take off. We now power run (albeit out of shotgun) and do lots of play action, and Jones did not have the strength to flourish in that system. Part of me thinks that's why he got moved to guard. He's got the skills to be a finesse tackle, but he's not strong enough to be a power run tackle. So you move him inside versus admitting it was a wasted pick. If he has the work ethic, and puts on strength, he could flourish. But it remains to be seen how long that will take. In the meantime, he's a liability at guard that's going to get Kyler hit. Conclusion. Picking Jones wasn't a mistake. If anything, management is doing the best to salvage a bad situation, and trying to adapt for an offense that's improved since Kugler's advice was taken. The only real mistake was thinking running the ball didn't matter. Had our coach known that from the start, several picks wouldn't have been wasted, and Kyler wouldn't be hurting as much as he is, from the hits he's taken. Had KK known that, we never take 3 WRs in one year or Jones. We'd probably have another DL/CB to boot, or maybe a TE Should have taken just one WR that year, and it should have been Metcalf.
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Post by Drachir on Oct 26, 2021 12:12:23 GMT -7
This will change on Thursday, however the tweet that didn't get shown is Aaron Rodgers is winless in State Farm Stadium both in the regular season and the post season. That will remain intact.
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 26, 2021 15:28:03 GMT -7
Wow. Significant swing from a year or two ago.
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Post by In the Cards on Oct 26, 2021 15:31:52 GMT -7
Wow. Significant swing from a year or two ago. This deserves to be it's own thread. Covering TEs used to be a very big problem for the Cardinals.
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 26, 2021 18:40:03 GMT -7
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Post by thomas cat on Oct 26, 2021 19:10:01 GMT -7
Wow. Significant swing from a year or two ago. I love that stat and turn around. TE's use to eat us up....no more. What's equally good is now our TE's are starting to make a difference. That's two wins and its making a difference.
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Post by devongent on Oct 27, 2021 0:17:13 GMT -7
Conclusion. Picking Jones wasn't a mistake. If anything, management is doing the best to salvage a bad situation, and trying to adapt for an offense that's improved since Kugler's advice was taken. The only real mistake was thinking running the ball didn't matter. Okay, here's my mad cap suggestion. Remove Josh Jones from the 'protection side' of the OL and develop him into an 'offensive weapon' instead. Josh has got a lot of physical attributes that we could use on the edge of the line where he would be very disruptive and help open running lanes. He has performed a similar role a little in the past, but what about expanding this to a regular occurrence on all 3rd/ 4th and short situations. Pull off a WR or two and bring out Josh alongside two RB's. Welcome Josh Jones, the pseudo-TE / 6th lineman...
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Post by End Zone on Oct 27, 2021 3:12:34 GMT -7
Conclusion. Picking Jones wasn't a mistake. If anything, management is doing the best to salvage a bad situation, and trying to adapt for an offense that's improved since Kugler's advice was taken. The only real mistake was thinking running the ball didn't matter. Okay, here's my mad cap suggestion. Remove Josh Jones from the 'protection side' of the OL and develop him into an 'offensive weapon' instead. Josh has got a lot of physical attributes that we could use on the edge of the line where he would be very disruptive and help open running lanes. He has performed a similar role a little in the past, but what about expanding this to a regular occurrence on all 3rd/ 4th and short situations. Pull off a WR or two and bring out Josh alongside two RB's. Welcome Josh Jones, the pseudo-TE / 6th lineman... Devongent, weaponizing Jones is indeed a mad cap idea! However, a degree of madness is found in all risk-takers and some winners. I remain concerned about Jones' ability to comprehend and master his basic OLine job. If before Jones satisfactorily performs his 'day job' the coaches ask Jones to study and perform the most basic TE job, he might suffer a Traumatic Brain Injury (TBI). The NFLPA would frown on the Cardinals for contributing to Jones' TBI. Nevertheless, challenging Jones with a new run support role is an excellent idea. Question: Is Jones fast enough to pull and lead for a RB, or fake a DE block, and perform as a short-range TE downfield? Can Jones catch a football? I do not know these answers.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 27, 2021 3:21:23 GMT -7
Who did the Packers play during those 6 games? No writer is telling that story. I also noted that the Packers scored an average of 32 points across the 6 games. I conclude 6 patsies: Jets and Lions thrice each.
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Post by aris on Oct 27, 2021 6:43:11 GMT -7
Who did the Packers play during those 6 games? No writer is telling that story. I also noted that the Packers scored an average of 32 points across the 6 games. I conclude 6 patsies: Jets and Lions thrice each. i thought they beat the Saints also. Rodgers has a 115 QB rating and 22 TDS 3 INTs without his to WR. Dont be fooled into thinking it's not Rodgers here, he's the man.
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