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Post by Deleted on Oct 22, 2021 18:48:38 GMT -7
Nice recap.....
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Oct 22, 2021 19:14:22 GMT -7
Josh Rosen is an Atlanta Falcon now wow Josh Rosen's Teams 63.3 Rating 5 teams already in 3 years Cardinals Dolphins Tampa Bay Bucs 49ers Falcons
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Post by Drachir on Oct 22, 2021 20:41:29 GMT -7
Josh Rosen is an Atlanta Falcon now wow Josh Rosen's Teams 63.3 Rating 5 teams already in 3 years Cardinals Dolphins Tampa Bay Bucs 49ers Falcons I guess the new game could be “Where’s Josh?” the NFL version of Where’s Waldo?
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Post by End Zone on Oct 23, 2021 3:55:12 GMT -7
Josh Rosen is an Atlanta Falcon now wow Josh Rosen's Teams 63.3 Rating 5 teams already in 3 years Cardinals Dolphins Tampa Bay Bucs 49ers Falcons The Cardinals got here because the team is greatly improved, not because Rosen is gone, IMV. It is interesting that when QB Rosen was with these 5 teams, they were all struggling. 2 of the 5 teams (Cards and Bucs) are now doing very well. If Rosen was on the active roster the 2 high performers today, as backup QB only, would that change his value? Would he do better with a good supporting cast? He's labeled a "bust" by just about everyone these days. I think "Rosen is a bust" is greatly over-sold because the 5 teams were also busts at the time. Steve Wilks definitely did not know what he was doing as Cardinals HC and he has to share some of the Rosen blame.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 4:32:54 GMT -7
Here is a question for ya and dont go into different years in the draft. Just go with me on this. If the Chiefs had drafted Rosen instead of Mahomes and the Jets drafted Mahomes, would Rosen have the same success as Mahomes and would Mahomes have the same success with the Jets he did with the Chiefs? I think if Mahomes went to the Jets, he would be where Rosen is now, a backup bouncing between different teams.
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Post by birdgangaz on Oct 23, 2021 5:54:57 GMT -7
Here is a question for ya and dont go into different years in the draft. Just go with me on this. If the Chiefs had drafted Rosen instead of Mahomes and the Jets drafted Mahomes, would Rosen have the same success as Mahomes and would Mahomes have the same success with the Jets he did with the Chiefs? I think if Mahomes went to the Jets, he would be where Rosen is now, a backup bouncing between different teams. This is an interesting question.
I would say that Mahomes would have been utterly destroyed by the Jets and the world would know him as a Mark Sanchez type at best.
I think the Chiefs would have had some success with Rosen but would have fallen short of winning a super bowl.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 15:25:51 GMT -7
Josh Rosen is an Atlanta Falcon now wow Josh Rosen's Teams 63.3 Rating 5 teams already in 3 years Cardinals Dolphins Tampa Bay Bucs 49ers Falcons Broadcast booth is probably next.....college games at that (lol!).
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Oct 23, 2021 18:05:53 GMT -7
Josh Rosen is an Atlanta Falcon now wow Josh Rosen's Teams 63.3 Rating 5 teams already in 3 years Cardinals Dolphins Tampa Bay Bucs 49ers Falcons Broadcast booth is probably next.....college games at that (lol!). I never wanted to get rid of Josh Rosen I wanted him to back up Murray or if he was good enough beat him out for the job. It cost us a lot of money to let him go about 8 million plus draft picks. Then we had to go out and sign another qb anyway. Its obvious he is not as good as Kyler but was already in the system.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 23, 2021 19:03:29 GMT -7
Broadcast booth is probably next.....college games at that (lol!). I never wanted to get rid of Josh RosenI wanted him to back up Murray or if he was good enough beat him out for the job. It cost us a lot of money to let him go about 8 million plus draft picks. Then we had to go out and sign another qb anyway. Its obvious he is not as good as Kyler but was already in the system. In all seriousness neither did I. But I don't recall the system under Wilkes being the same as what KK has brought here with Murray (?).
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Post by CardCore on Oct 23, 2021 19:12:09 GMT -7
I never wanted to get rid of Josh RosenI wanted him to back up Murray or if he was good enough beat him out for the job. It cost us a lot of money to let him go about 8 million plus draft picks. Then we had to go out and sign another qb anyway. Its obvious he is not as good as Kyler but was already in the system. In all seriousness neither did I. But I don't recall the system under Wilkes being the same as what KK has brought here with Murray (?). Well, he does share some qualities with Colt. So there's that...
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Post by vwvectors on Oct 23, 2021 19:27:05 GMT -7
Here is a question for ya and dont go into different years in the draft. Just go with me on this. If the Chiefs had drafted Rosen instead of Mahomes and the Jets drafted Mahomes, would Rosen have the same success as Mahomes and would Mahomes have the same success with the Jets he did with the Chiefs? I think if Mahomes went to the Jets, he would be where Rosen is now, a backup bouncing between different teams. Mahomes went to a team that had a coach that had a system almost built for him with a strong surrounding cast. When Alex Smith was there the season before the Chiefs were a dangerous team that went to deadly when Mahomes took the offense. Could have Mahomes done the same thing with the Jets ? I say no because the coaches & other supporting cast are not there. But let’s say the Ravens drafted Mahomes I think with Harbaugh & those players he would make deep playoff runs with that setup.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 24, 2021 3:46:08 GMT -7
Here is a question for ya and dont go into different years in the draft. Just go with me on this. If the Chiefs had drafted Rosen instead of Mahomes and the Jets drafted Mahomes, would Rosen have the same success as Mahomes and would Mahomes have the same success with the Jets he did with the Chiefs? I think if Mahomes went to the Jets, he would be where Rosen is now, a backup bouncing between different teams. Mahomes went to a team that had a coach that had a system almost built for him with a strong surrounding cast. When Alex Smith was there the season before the Chiefs were a dangerous team that went to deadly when Mahomes took the offense. Could have Mahomes done the same thing with the Jets ? I say no because the coaches & other supporting cast are not there. But let’s say the Ravens drafted Mahomes I think with Harbaugh & those players he would make deep playoff runs with that setup. Yep its all about the environment. Mahomes is a pretty good QB, but people act like he turned that franchise around when in fact Alex Smith was leading the Chiefs to 12, 11, 10 win seasons and going deep in the playoffs. Mahomes just fit their system better. The last year Smith was with the Chiefs before being traded he was a top 5 QB in the league with a over 100 QB rating for the season. And I think we are seeing the same thing here in AZ. Kyler Murray finally has the weapons that Mahomes has and we are seeing him play at a higher level.
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