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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 5, 2021 18:26:16 GMT -7
He had to have been on the trade block. No bites I guess
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Post by aris on Oct 5, 2021 18:30:40 GMT -7
Any interest here?
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 5, 2021 18:41:15 GMT -7
Definitely. Per your post, it was likely a financially driven move. His pff grade took a hit last year, but I'd definitely give him a workout and a eval from the medical team. Our LB room could be a huge position of strength.
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Post by aris on Oct 5, 2021 18:49:59 GMT -7
Definitely. Per your post, it was likely a financially driven move. His pff grade took a hit last year, but I'd definitely give him a workout and a eval from the medical team. Our LB room could be a huge position of strength. But does it make sense to cut a guy that you are having to pay this year anyway? Maybe his performance has slipped that badly? He's been the leading tackler the last two seasons. Games I've watched he's been a beast. But maybe he's lost desire/skill. LB is a tough position.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Oct 5, 2021 19:13:32 GMT -7
6’ 2” 245 he can run and coverage is his strength. Big safety in the 4-2-5 sounds like his position, run support and cover TEs and RBs. For NFC West with multiple TE formations you can’t have enough LBs with speed.
If we can’t sign big D-linemen then load up on LBs that have speed and coverage skills they are big enough to take on O-linemen and TEs and fast enough to be serviceable to be one on one in coverage. The 3-3-5 is easy to run off 4-2-5 base and the fifth DB can be a fast LB.
Cowboys loss would be our gain.
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Post by CardCore on Oct 5, 2021 20:32:25 GMT -7
6’ 2” 245 he can run and coverage is his strength. Big safety in the 4-2-5 sounds like his position, run support and cover TEs and RBs. For NFC West with multiple TE formations you can’t have enough LBs with speed. If we can’t sign big D-linemen then load up on LBs that have speed and coverage skills they are big enough to take on O-linemen and TEs and fast enough to be serviceable to be one on one in coverage. The 3-3-5 is easy to run off 4-2-5 base and the fifth DB can be a fast LB. Cowboys loss would be our gain. I remember liking the idea of drafting him that year and sitting on him for a year, but it wasn't likely to happen since, as usual, the team needed players ready to help. Now? Not likely again with ZC being trained up by Hicks.
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 5, 2021 20:58:06 GMT -7
And play him where, in place of who? We just drafted two straight off-ball linebackers. If I remember he was rated as an OLB coming into the draft hurt but has played as an ILB. Simmons and Collins are the future there, with Hicks as a one year transition. As an OLB opposite Jones? Someone said 4-2-5 safety. Pretty happy with Baker and Thompson. Play him like a bigger DBuc?
edit: NFL draft profile
“Overview In this day and age of "tweeners" being labeled "hybrid" players, Smith is the rare commodity who is truly hybrid in the sense that he has the athleticism, speed and physical makeup to play any linebacker spot in either the 3-4 or the 4-3. Smith was productive but slightly miscast in the middle of the Notre Dame defense and is better suited to play in space as a 4-3 outside linebacker. However, his length and upfield burst could draw the attention of a 3-4 team looking to transition him into a rush linebacker while utilizing his rare cover skills.“
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Post by CardCore on Oct 5, 2021 21:05:20 GMT -7
And play him where, in place of who? We just drafted two straight off-ball linebackers. If I remember he was rated as an OLB coming into the draft hurt but has played as an ILB. Simmons and Collins are the future there, with Hicks as a one year transition. As an OLB opposite Jones? Someone said 4-2-5 safety. Pretty happy with Baker and Thompson. Play him like a bigger DBuc? edit: NFL draft profile “Overview In this day and age of "tweeners" being labeled "hybrid" players, Smith is the rare commodity who is truly hybrid in the sense that he has the athleticism, speed and physical makeup to play any linebacker spot in either the 3-4 or the 4-3. Smith was productive but slightly miscast in the middle of the Notre Dame defense and is better suited to play in space as a 4-3 outside linebacker. However, his length and upfield burst could draw the attention of a 3-4 team looking to transition him into a rush linebacker while utilizing his rare cover skills.“ That last sentence reminds me of Reddick.
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Post by Dry Heat on Oct 5, 2021 21:16:43 GMT -7
And play him where, in place of who? We just drafted two straight off-ball linebackers. If I remember he was rated as an OLB coming into the draft hurt but has played as an ILB. Simmons and Collins are the future there, with Hicks as a one year transition. As an OLB opposite Jones? Someone said 4-2-5 safety. Pretty happy with Baker and Thompson. Play him like a bigger DBuc? edit: NFL draft profile “Overview In this day and age of "tweeners" being labeled "hybrid" players, Smith is the rare commodity who is truly hybrid in the sense that he has the athleticism, speed and physical makeup to play any linebacker spot in either the 3-4 or the 4-3. Smith was productive but slightly miscast in the middle of the Notre Dame defense and is better suited to play in space as a 4-3 outside linebacker. However, his length and upfield burst could draw the attention of a 3-4 team looking to transition him into a rush linebacker while utilizing his rare cover skills.“ That last sentence reminds me of Reddick. Pretty close in size, Smith a higher rated prospect. turned 26 just a few months ago. We’d have the luxury of working him into the defense for a playoff run. We only have $2.3 million cap space, but cutting LB Kennard would free up $2.6 million and LB Turner $3.4 million.
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Post by devongent on Oct 6, 2021 1:51:49 GMT -7
Huge amount of Guaranteed money this year and next + big injury concerns = give this one a wide berth and don't consider.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Oct 6, 2021 5:47:27 GMT -7
6’ 2” 245 he can run and coverage is his strength. Big safety in the 4-2-5 sounds like his position, run support and cover TEs and RBs. For NFC West with multiple TE formations you can’t have enough LBs with speed. If we can’t sign big D-linemen then load up on LBs that have speed and coverage skills they are big enough to take on O-linemen and TEs and fast enough to be serviceable to be one on one in coverage. The 3-3-5 is easy to run off 4-2-5 base and the fifth DB can be a fast LB. Cowboys loss would be our gain. I remember liking the idea of drafting him that year and sitting on him for a year, but it wasn't likely to happen since, as usual, the team needed players ready to help. Now? Not likely again with ZC being trained up by Hicks. I was one of the fans in favor of sitting him as well, but Jerry took him higher than I was willing to given injury risk. I thought we'd get him around 3rd
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Post by CardCore on Oct 6, 2021 6:09:23 GMT -7
I remember liking the idea of drafting him that year and sitting on him for a year, but it wasn't likely to happen since, as usual, the team needed players ready to help. Now? Not likely again with ZC being trained up by Hicks. I was one of the fans in favor of sitting him as well, but Jerry took him higher than I was willing to given injury risk. I thought we'd get him around 3rd As a replacement for Reddick, it's worth consideration, but it sounds like his play is falling off? I don't see an injury concern so much as a $$$ concern. He may be looking at having to rework his contract. In the end, I like Gardeck too much to chase after him, but I hope he doesn't end up in the NFCW.
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Post by Chirpn’time on Oct 6, 2021 8:23:57 GMT -7
I was one of the fans in favor of sitting him as well, but Jerry took him higher than I was willing to given injury risk. I thought we'd get him around 3rd As a replacement for Reddick, it's worth consideration, but it sounds like his play is falling off? I don't see an injury concern so much as a $$$ concern. He may be looking at having to rework his contract. In the end, I like Gardeck too much to chase after him, but I hope he doesn't end up in the NFCW. Gardeck and Smith are two different in skills, Smith is not a good rusher. I would consider Smith more of a Safety/ILB hybrid that could be used in big nickel formations of against multiple TE sets. Problem is price for a rotation guy and who gets cut because Smith isn't a ST player.
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Post by CardCore on Oct 6, 2021 8:53:58 GMT -7
As a replacement for Reddick, it's worth consideration, but it sounds like his play is falling off? I don't see an injury concern so much as a $$$ concern. He may be looking at having to rework his contract. In the end, I like Gardeck too much to chase after him, but I hope he doesn't end up in the NFCW. Gardeck and Smith are two ea different in skills, Smith is not a good rusher. I would consider Smith more of a Safety/ILB hybrid that could be used in big nickel formations of against multiple TE sets. Problem is price for a rotation guy and who gets cut because Smith isn't a ST player. I was alluding to the idea of transitioning him, as stated above. If, as you say, he is not good at pass rushing, I don't see a lot of sense in pursuing him. To replace Hicks?
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Post by Chirpn’time on Oct 6, 2021 9:05:21 GMT -7
Gardeck and Smith are two ea different in skills, Smith is not a good rusher. I would consider Smith more of a Safety/ILB hybrid that could be used in big nickel formations of against multiple TE sets. Problem is price for a rotation guy and who gets cut because Smith isn't a ST player. I was alluding to the idea of transitioning him, as stated above. If, as you say, he is not good at pass rushing, I don't see a lot of sense in pursuing him. According to his PFF has his pass rush at 51, his run defense at 37 and coverage at 82 that screams big Safety to me, not OLB prospect. Safety would keep him away from of the big O-lineman and allow his speed to be used to the full.
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