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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 17, 2018 14:42:50 GMT -7
On 98.7 they are talking about a criticism of McCoy in Denver is his playbook has over 300 plays. I complained when I heard that BA's had 200+ plays and I thought that was too many. Rosen is hinting he would like it simplified and easier for guys to be on the same page. I hope the Cards get the run game going a little bit and run up-tempo so the # of plays are stripped down and just let the guys make plays.
Gambo let it slip that this game is probably McCoy's last game (tomorrow vs. Broncos) -- when discussing McCoy, he said "when he is fired" instead of "if he is fired."
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Post by SMITTY on Oct 17, 2018 16:17:05 GMT -7
275 plays are variations of runs up the middle?
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 17, 2018 16:24:19 GMT -7
On 98.7 they are talking about a criticism of McCoy in Denver is his playbook has over 300 plays. I complained when I heard that BA's had 200+ plays and I thought that was too many. Rosen is hinting he would like it simplified and easier for guys to be on the same page. I hope the Cards get the run game going a little bit and run up-tempo so the # of plays are stripped down and just let the guys make plays.
Gambo let it slip that this game is probably McCoy's last game (tomorrow vs. Broncos) -- when discussing McCoy, he said "when he is fired" instead of "if he is fired."
Wouldnt suprise me if it were that complicated. Chop that down to 50 plays and we have the makings to begin an offense. |
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Post by itancanwa on Oct 17, 2018 16:26:51 GMT -7
Way way way to many. These guys are football players not rocket scientists . Many of the players if it wasn't for a football scholarship wouldn't have ever gone to college. A good degree are lucky they made it through high school. Then you want someone to learn 300 different plays. No wonder they look like they don't know what their doing on the field.
Never made it past high school ball. Was way to light to play college football. Besides baseball was my #1 love. I remember our high school coach every day saying KIS. Keep it simple. We had 5 running play to the right, and those same 5 to the left. We had a flanker reverse, and a wing back reverse. They ran each and every one of those plays 4 times a practice. Every practice ! Our passing plays were numbered 0 to 9. Zero was a screen and 9 was a fly pattern. We had 3 different ways to block almost every running play except for the reverses. That's it. That's all we had for offense plays. Had a really good team every year I was there. We were able to out execute every team we played against. Simply because it was automatic. We didn't have to think. Just go out and let her rip.
That's what those guys are mot doing. They have to think on every play. That slows them down, and you see what were getting for an offense. Garbage ! |
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Oct 17, 2018 17:12:50 GMT -7
I don't have a problem with a coach having 300 plays BUT YOU CANT TRY TO INSTALL NEARLY THAT MANY WITH A NEW TEAM. and you don't keep calling the same play over and over when it doesn't work. what McCoy or any oc for that matter should do is select those plays from his playbook that fit his players abilities and teach execution...innovative guys like mcvay don't try to teach 300 plays but try to come up with new ways of getting the ball to his playmakers. that above all else is wilks/mccoys biggest failure is not utilizing larry and dj correctly...maybe larry is slipping a bit, maybe dj's got his head screwed up but they ARE STILL THE CARDS BEST OFFENSIVE WEAPONS.
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 17, 2018 17:31:29 GMT -7
The problem is they aren't calling those plays. They have 300 plays? Great! Use one of those plays instead of a run up the middle.
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Post by Rimrock on Oct 17, 2018 17:47:35 GMT -7
I was close...I guessed the playbook had 1 play
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Post by jh17 on Oct 18, 2018 1:59:31 GMT -7
275 plays are variations of runs up the middle? Funny, sad and true at the same time |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 18, 2018 5:48:05 GMT -7
Way way way to many. These guys are football players not rocket scientists . Many of the players if it wasn't for a football scholarship wouldn't have ever gone to college. A good degree are lucky they made it through high school. Then you want someone to learn 300 different plays. No wonder they look like they don't know what their doing on the field.
Never made it past high school ball. Was way to light to play college football. Besides baseball was my #1 love. I remember our high school coach every day saying KIS. Keep it simple. We had 5 running play to the right, and those same 5 to the left. We had a flanker reverse, and a wing back reverse. They ran each and every one of those plays 4 times a practice. Every practice ! Our passing plays were numbered 0 to 9. Zero was a screen and 9 was a fly pattern. We had 3 different ways to block almost every running play except for the reverses. That's it. That's all we had for offense plays. Had a really good team every year I was there. We were able to out execute every team we played against. Simply because it was automatic. We didn't have to think. Just go out and let her rip.
That's what those guys are mot doing. They have to think on every play. That slows them down, and you see what were getting for an offense. Garbage ! I agree you become robotic and thinking too much instead of proactive and relying on you instincts and athletic ability. |
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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 18, 2018 7:19:18 GMT -7
This is the NFL professionals can handle complex systems. It's just that McCoy's playcalling sucks.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 18, 2018 7:42:07 GMT -7
This is the NFL professionals can handle complex systems. It's just that McCoy's playcalling sucks. Some "old school coaches" are struggling because IMO they have failed to adapt to one important FACT which is the new collective bargaining agreement from several years ago dramatically limits the amount of practice time. Only a moron would not taper back the # of plays from years ago when you are not able to practice them enough. In football, any one guy who is not doing his job correctly on a play can cause that play to fail ... thus 30% less practice time in training camps and during the season does not allow for the elimination of these errors... UNLESS the # of plays which an offense can execute perfectly is reduced.
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Post by aris on Oct 18, 2018 8:20:40 GMT -7
Let Rosen calls the plays. He's way smarter then McCoy.
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Post by AZJ on Oct 18, 2018 12:04:55 GMT -7
Watch all 300 plays come out tonight, in an effort by McCoy to save his job
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Post by knobby on Oct 18, 2018 13:10:32 GMT -7
Watch all 300 plays come out tonight, in an effort by McCoy to save his job
I can see McCoy trying that, but with little or no time to practice new plays this week we should expect a (distasteful term removed) of mistakes and total confusion if he does...
It would be nice to see some positive change, but very hard to believe it will happen so suddenly.
As someone else suggested, I think our best hope is for Rosen to be freed to call plays - and run play action and the hurry-up offense as much as possible. Keep the Broncos from getting comfortable. No more predictable 1,2,3,punt time after time.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Oct 18, 2018 20:50:30 GMT -7
Let's address the elephant in the room. McCoy is still riding Peyton Manning's coattails. Manning made McCoy. McCoy road Manning's success and got a head coaching job in San Diego. He got himself fired there. Then he was re-hired by the Broncos and fired mid-season. He is extremely overrated as a coach.
And even his biggest homers will argue McCoy simplified the game plan and made Tebow look good. Sorry I watched those games, that was all Tebow. He ad libbed the way he always did and made something out of nothing. That had nothing to do with McCoy's playcalling or design. McCoy was first noticed when Manning joined the Broncos.
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