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Post by jonlp24 on Oct 16, 2018 1:28:57 GMT -7
I don't see the similarities other than them both being black, hate it honestly This response was expected. There are those who will seek to defend Wilks at all costs. To minimize comparisons to Singletary, they will say the comparisons are being made solely based on race. Not only is the accusation unfair but it's lazy. Race has nothing to do with it. Tod Bowles is Black but has one of the sharpest defensive minds in the game. Bowles was not hired on his personality but rather his defensive acumen and penchant for making defensive adjustments. The reason Wilks is being compared to Singletary is both coaches were hired for their personality and perceived sense of leadership. Neither coach was necessarily recognized for their mastery of the X's and O's or playcalling. Both coaches were also first time head coaches. The Cardinals wanted more of a disciplinarian and motivator; something they probably felt BA struggled with at times. The 49ers sought the same when they hired Singletary. They felt Nolan was a bit meek and wanted a change with the more vocal and charismatic leader. Wilks was an assistant head coach and D Coordinator he was the Rams second choice last year because he is impressive in interviews. Singletary never had that kind of experience even after he was fired until he became a head coach of Memphis this year. Plus he went 8-8 his first year swept us when we won the division and nearly defeated Vikings and Brett Farve who went to the NFC title game and he had a hand in building a team that went to two straight NFC Championships. |
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Oct 16, 2018 7:20:50 GMT -7
I don't see the similarities other than them both being black, hate it honestly
I guess you didn't see Mike in his playing days. Too bad - he was special, and took football seriously. A lot of the old outstanding players were that way.
He had lots of fans all over the country, much like Fitz does now, except Fitz is not as aggressive against opponents, nor does he have to be to succeed. So both are black. So what? Both are good people in their own differing ways.
I saw Mike play, I just don't see how they are similar in coaching at all |
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Post by ~MainEvent~ on Oct 16, 2018 8:12:00 GMT -7
I don't see the similarities other than them both being black, hate it honestly This response was expected. There are those who will seek to defend Wilks at all costs. To minimize comparisons to Singletary, they will say the comparisons are being made solely based on race. Not only is the accusation unfair but it's lazy. Race has nothing to do with it. Tod Bowles is Black but has one of the sharpest defensive minds in the game. Bowles was not hired on his personality but rather his defensive acumen and penchant for making defensive adjustments. The reason Wilks is being compared to Singletary is both coaches were hired for their personality and perceived sense of leadership. Neither coach was necessarily recognized for their mastery of the X's and O's or playcalling. Both coaches were also first time head coaches. The Cardinals wanted more of a disciplinarian and motivator; something they probably felt BA struggled with at times. The 49ers sought the same when they hired Singletary. They felt Nolan was a bit meek and wanted a change with the more vocal and charismatic leader. Nice try guy, you're not about to defend something and hit it with reverse all because you tried to make it on the old site. Only thing lazy is comparing one black guy that's never been an NFL coach before to another black guy that was never an NFL coach before....and then bringing up another black guy. Wilks could get fired tomorrow and I'd help him pack his office then drive him to the airport, I never wanted him hired because I never wanted a new coach. This is the 2nd time you've tried that angle and it hasn't hit with either. Wilks doesn't even have a personality, that alone ends the 2, the guy that retired is the one with the charisma and personality. He's not on the sidelines getting guys in line letting them know where they messed up, he's not running down refs arguing a call, he's not making passionate speeches, he's a mute. His tone is the same in pregame as it is in the post game no matter the outcome of the game. Only thing worse than you trying to get that argument off was you doubling down and saying sense of a leader and comparing that to Singletary which is a massive insult to Singletary. |
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 16, 2018 8:46:17 GMT -7
When Mike Singletary was promoted to head coach of the 49ers, it was for all of the same reasons Wilks was hired: "swagger" That's it. The previous 49ers coach Mike Nolan was the complete opposite. He was quiet and understated. The 49ers management thought they needed a man with chutzpah and swagger who would motivate the players. Singletary had the same commanding presence that Wilks did. He gave great speeches. People remarked about Singletary's aura.
That is why Wilks is Singletary. Wilks wasn't hired for his acumen. He has never been known for the X's and O's. You never heard of the term brilliant strategist and Wilks in the same sentence. Wilks attributes were his presence, charisma and sense of leadership. Remember, the first time Wilks met Keim was on a beach in the Carolinas. He walked up to him and blew him away....sound familiar (Singletary).
So when Wilks was hired, I immedately got the Mike Singletary vibe. He was essentially hired for his swagger. And I've never been sold on swagger. I wasn't sold on swagger when the Kool Aid drinkers on this forum swooned after Max Hall and I'm not buying the swagger now.
The Kool Aid drinkers now want to act like it's all McCoy and if you replace the OC, everything will magically correct itself. You can replace McCoy and the team will still struggle with Byron Leftwich as OC because the defense still stinks. You have to replace both Wilks and McCoy. I'm just biding my time when MB will fire Keim, Wilks and McCoy.
Eye opening for sure. Thank you Cardinalsdo. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 16, 2018 18:30:12 GMT -7
This response was expected. There are those who will seek to defend Wilks at all costs. To minimize comparisons to Singletary, they will say the comparisons are being made solely based on race. Not only is the accusation unfair but it's lazy. Race has nothing to do with it. Tod Bowles is Black but has one of the sharpest defensive minds in the game. Bowles was not hired on his personality but rather his defensive acumen and penchant for making defensive adjustments. The reason Wilks is being compared to Singletary is both coaches were hired for their personality and perceived sense of leadership. Neither coach was necessarily recognized for their mastery of the X's and O's or playcalling. Both coaches were also first time head coaches. The Cardinals wanted more of a disciplinarian and motivator; something they probably felt BA struggled with at times. The 49ers sought the same when they hired Singletary. They felt Nolan was a bit meek and wanted a change with the more vocal and charismatic leader. Nice try guy, you're not about to defend something and hit it with reverse all because you tried to make it on the old site. Only thing lazy is comparing one black guy that's never been an NFL coach before to another black guy that was never an NFL coach before....and then bringing up another black guy. Wilks could get fired tomorrow and I'd help him pack his office then drive him to the airport, I never wanted him hired because I never wanted a new coach. This is the 2nd time you've tried that angle and it hasn't hit with either. Wilks doesn't even have a personality, that alone ends the 2, the guy that retired is the one with the charisma and personality. He's not on the sidelines getting guys in line letting them know where they messed up, he's not running down refs arguing a call, he's not making passionate speeches, he's a mute. His tone is the same in pregame as it is in the post game no matter the outcome of the game. Only thing worse than you trying to get that argument off was you doubling down and saying sense of a leader and comparing that to Singletary which is a massive insult to Singletary. Wish I could give you 100 Likes over this post! |
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 16, 2018 20:16:20 GMT -7
Nice try guy, you're not about to defend something and hit it with reverse all because you tried to make it on the old site. Only thing lazy is comparing one black guy that's never been an NFL coach before to another black guy that was never an NFL coach before....and then bringing up another black guy. Wilks could get fired tomorrow and I'd help him pack his office then drive him to the airport, I never wanted him hired because I never wanted a new coach. This is the 2nd time you've tried that angle and it hasn't hit with either. Wilks doesn't even have a personality, that alone ends the 2, the guy that retired is the one with the charisma and personality. He's not on the sidelines getting guys in line letting them know where they messed up, he's not running down refs arguing a call, he's not making passionate speeches, he's a mute. His tone is the same in pregame as it is in the post game no matter the outcome of the game. Only thing worse than you trying to get that argument off was you doubling down and saying sense of a leader and comparing that to Singletary which is a massive insult to Singletary.Wish I could give you 100 Likes over this post! This is how I would describe coach Wilks |
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Post by Rimrock on Oct 16, 2018 20:32:36 GMT -7
Could anyone give an example of Singletary coaching behavior for those of us who arent familiar with him? funny scat there.lol...Do is the singletary of the forum world |
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Post by knobby on Oct 17, 2018 22:08:29 GMT -7
I guess you didn't see Mike in his playing days. Too bad - he was special, and took football seriously. A lot of the old outstanding players were that way.
He had lots of fans all over the country, much like Fitz does now, except Fitz is not as aggressive against opponents, nor does he have to be to succeed. So both are black. So what? Both are good people in their own differing ways.
I saw Mike play, I just don't see how they are similar in coaching at all
They aren't. They are completely opposite. I didn't say anything about coaching, only intended to point out the wide open eyes with the screenshot. In hindsight I should have spelled that out, but assumed everyone would immediately get it. Apologies.
Some of the responses went into coaching and the thread carried on from there. Since you saw Mike play back when, you should have noticed his eyes like everyone else I know did. It was a physical quirk he had when he went into "beast mode" during a game. Remember?
We could use more guys like Mike was as a player.
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