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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 15, 2018 8:25:18 GMT -7
On the old forum, I pounded the table that successful offenses need to EXECUTE, EXECUTE plays and not have 200+ plays (BA's system) which increase the chance for one player to commit mental errors. I believe in the John Elway approach to offense from this article (Excerpt:) - Mostly, the dissatisfaction comes from the offensive playbook being unwieldy. Elway has always believed in execution over everything -- simple and fast -- rather than focusing on trying to out-scheme the opponent "McCoy offensive scheme complicated"
On the other hand, McVay is tearing it up and he has only employed a fraction of his total offense ... the key is to EXECUTE maybe 60-70 plays to perfection and then build on it once the offensive players have mastered the original sets of plays -- McVay uses Logic & Simplicity when calling plays
BTW: McCoy is the only coach who calls in plays without covering his mouth with the play sheet -- hope other teams don't have lip-readers (just a small "pet peeve")
P.S. So when the defense on every 3rd down dials up CB blitzes, PLEASE employ a screen pass in those situations when the defense continually rush 6 with CB/LB blitzers on 3rd down .. no wonder Cards were Zero for 10 on 3rd down ... SHEEEESH !!!
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Post by Drachir on Oct 15, 2018 8:41:08 GMT -7
On the old forum, I pounded the table that successful offenses need to EXECUTE, EXECUTE plays and not have 200+ plays (BA's system) which increase the chance for one player to commit mental errors. I believe in the John Elway approach to offense from this article (Excerpt:) - Mostly, the dissatisfaction comes from the offensive playbook being unwieldy. Elway has always believed in execution over everything -- simple and fast -- rather than focusing on trying to out-scheme the opponent "McCoy offensive scheme complicated"
On the other hand, McVay is tearing it up and he has only employed a fraction of his total offense ... the key is to EXECUTE maybe 60-70 plays to perfection and then build on it once the offensive players have mastered the original sets of plays -- McVay uses Logic & Simplicity when calling plays
BTW: McCoy is the only coach who calls in plays without covering his mouth with the play sheet -- hope other teams don't have lip-readers (just a small "pet peeve")
P.S. So when the defense on every 3rd down dials up CB blitzes, PLEASE employ a screen pass in those situations when the defense continually rush 6 with CB/LB blitzers on 3rd down .. no wonder Cards were Zero for 10 on 3rd down ... SHEEEESH !!!
You hit the nail on the head #1 problem in solving offensive woes. FIRE MIKE MCCOY! |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 15, 2018 9:54:23 GMT -7
Top Screen teams to the RB are - Rams/Saints/Redskins/Chiefs. Heck Kamara and Gurley last year had 20% of their TOTAL yards from scrimmage via the screen pass even though it only occurs represents about 3 plays per game..last year the average yardage to Gurley was over 10 yds per screen pass. PLEASE take note McCoy !!!!
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 15, 2018 10:02:40 GMT -7
On the old forum, I pounded the table that successful offenses need to EXECUTE, EXECUTE plays and not have 200+ plays (BA's system) which increase the chance for one player to commit mental errors. I believe in the John Elway approach to offense from this article (Excerpt:) - Mostly, the dissatisfaction comes from the offensive playbook being unwieldy. Elway has always believed in execution over everything -- simple and fast -- rather than focusing on trying to out-scheme the opponent "McCoy offensive scheme complicated"
On the other hand, McVay is tearing it up and he has only employed a fraction of his total offense ... the key is to EXECUTE maybe 60-70 plays to perfection and then build on it once the offensive players have mastered the original sets of plays -- McVay uses Logic & Simplicity when calling plays
BTW: McCoy is the only coach who calls in plays without covering his mouth with the play sheet -- hope other teams don't have lip-readers (just a small "pet peeve")
P.S. So when the defense on every 3rd down dials up CB blitzes, PLEASE employ a screen pass in those situations when the defense continually rush 6 with CB/LB blitzers on 3rd down .. no wonder Cards were Zero for 10 on 3rd down ... SHEEEESH !!!
If that is the case...then why the hell is McCoy still employed as an upstanding OC/HC? They seen his track record before hiring him, still hired em, got the results he usually provides. Could it have been on purpose? |
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 15, 2018 10:03:24 GMT -7
On the old forum, I pounded the table that successful offenses need to EXECUTE, EXECUTE plays and not have 200+ plays (BA's system) which increase the chance for one player to commit mental errors. I believe in the John Elway approach to offense from this article (Excerpt:) - Mostly, the dissatisfaction comes from the offensive playbook being unwieldy. Elway has always believed in execution over everything -- simple and fast -- rather than focusing on trying to out-scheme the opponent "McCoy offensive scheme complicated"
On the other hand, McVay is tearing it up and he has only employed a fraction of his total offense ... the key is to EXECUTE maybe 60-70 plays to perfection and then build on it once the offensive players have mastered the original sets of plays -- McVay uses Logic & Simplicity when calling plays
BTW: McCoy is the only coach who calls in plays without covering his mouth with the play sheet -- hope other teams don't have lip-readers (just a small "pet peeve")
P.S. So when the defense on every 3rd down dials up CB blitzes, PLEASE employ a screen pass in those situations when the defense continually rush 6 with CB/LB blitzers on 3rd down .. no wonder Cards were Zero for 10 on 3rd down ... SHEEEESH !!!
If that is the case...then why the heck is McCoy still employed as an upstanding OC/HC? They seen his track record before hiring him, still hired em, got the results he usually provides. Could it have been on purpose? |
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Post by knobby on Oct 15, 2018 11:14:41 GMT -7
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...BTW: McCoy is the only coach who calls in plays without covering his mouth with the play sheet -- hope other teams don't have lip-readers (just a small "pet peeve")
P.S. So when the defense on every 3rd down dials up CB blitzes, PLEASE employ a screen pass in those situations when the defense continually rush 6 with CB/LB blitzers on 3rd down .. no wonder Cards were Zero for 10 on 3rd down ... SHEEEESH !!!
If that is the case...then why the hell is McCoy still employed as an upstanding OC/HC? They seen his track record before hiring him, still hired em, got the results he usually provides. Could it have been on purpose?
That would imply they had a plan. No way that could be true.
I think all they saw at that point was someone who had "experience" as an OC, one who would take the job offer. As stated previously, our front office was caught short when BA left due to no advance planning, and therefore were late to:
1) decide what to do,
2) decide when and how to do it, and
3) pick from the dregs still available when they finally began their time consuming interview/re-interview and decision process.
IMO the Cardinals are operated more like a part-time hobby than a business. When viewed in that light it is easier to understand why so many things are hit and miss, kneejerk reactions.
When Mike B comes to that realization maybe things will change for the better - but not until. Up to now too much has been decided on sentiment and feelings to promote success.
Sadly, our Big Thinkers seem too satisfied with the status quo to have a grand plan, even one for a losing season to get a high draft spot.
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Post by tlovern on Oct 15, 2018 11:22:47 GMT -7
McCoy seems to be unaware of who the players are that make up his offense. A competent coach would build the offense around the strengths of his players. Can he even name his players? His play calling has been terrible. 90% of the time you can correctly call the running play he put in before the ball is snapped. If we can do it, any mediocre defensive coordinator can as well, and put in the correct scheme to counter it. Thank goodness Josh has the arm that he does, as that is the only thing keeping the offense alive. But we are very close to being a zero dimensional team. 3 and out won't win any games.
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Post by Zaz on Oct 15, 2018 11:47:32 GMT -7
Its playcalling.
We have top 3 offensive weapon in the NFL, and yet our offense is the worst in the NFL. BC you arent using your weapons effectively.
You could walk into a warzone with a bazooka but it wont help much if youre swinging it like a baseball bat.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 12:21:01 GMT -7
Its playcalling. We have top 3 offensive weapon in the NFL, and yet our offense is the worst in the NFL. BC you arent using your weapons effectively. You could walk into a warzone with a bazooka but it wont help much if youre swinging it like a baseball bat. Correct. And you used a more "modern" version of "you don't hook a thoroughbred up to a plow".  |
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Post by Drachir on Oct 15, 2018 12:42:35 GMT -7
Its playcalling. We have top 3 offensive weapon in the NFL, and yet our offense is the worst in the NFL. BC you arent using your weapons effectively. You could walk into a warzone with a bazooka but it wont help much if youre swinging it like a baseball bat. Correct. And you used a more "modern" version of "you don't hook a thoroughbred up to a plow".  or more like taking a plastic knife to a gun fight at the OK Corral. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 15, 2018 13:00:28 GMT -7
Correct. And you used a more "modern" version of "you don't hook a thoroughbred up to a plow". or more like taking a plastic knife to a gun fight at the OK Corral. LoL  |
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Post by itancanwa on Oct 15, 2018 14:56:25 GMT -7
Hard to gain yards on a running play when the D knows what's coming. Only back I can remembering ever being able to do that was Barry Sanders. McCoy, Wilks, and the D coordinator all need to be let go. There isn't a one of them who is worth their salary.
I'm with you. Put 50 to 60 plays in for a game and that it. If a play works run it until they stop you. I remember the old GB sweep. You knew it was coming several times a game. Same with Franco Harris running the inside trap with the Steelers. You knew it was coming several times a game.They just out executed you on those plays almost every time. That's because they used the play all the time and practiced that play all the time. That's how and why they worked. You run a play 5 times in training camp and then don't run it for 3 or 4 weeks your not going to execute it very well. |
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