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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 12, 2018 2:41:43 GMT -7
1. Why would you trade away established talent when you have a rookie QB on a controlled contract for the next 5 years. The model to building a team to win a Superbowl in the modern era (unless you have Tom Brady) is rookie QB and with the extra $25m in cap space, surround them with talent. It worked for the Seahawks, it worked for the Eagles, it looks like it could work for the Rams and the Chiefs.
2. You have no grasp or understanding of the salary cap if you think we can just trade DJ away. He would be a $19m hit to the salary cap when we only have $9m in space (rough figures). It would essentially mean we would have to do a Brock Osweiler style trade for Bucannon to get him off the books, then still find some way of cutting more players in order to make up the remaining total. The numbers just don't work.
So yeah, terrible idea.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Oct 12, 2018 6:01:58 GMT -7
the problem is still sk...imho team didn't need complete rebuild, but if sk thought it did then why sign older vet free agents especially Bradford? or why extend dj? why choose dawson over mccrane? the whole mess reeks of NO PLAN AT ALL that makes sense. personally I cant wait for season to be over-its a lost year and the fault is 100% mb's for keeping sk...before season would have been ideal time to cut sk loose but after the dui would have been a plausible time to do so also.
its just a shame to waste larrys last year and to waste a year in the careers of dj, pp, baker as well as setting rosen back as he will probably have to learn a new offense next year.
the only way McCoy is gone this year is if offense is soooo bad that there is NOTHING McCoy can point to and say its getting better
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Post by aris on Oct 12, 2018 6:09:48 GMT -7
We have the worst coaching staff in the NFL which will be gone after this year. We have a mediocre GM. Hello 32nd place.
If we trade DJ it creates more pressure on Rosen to pass which invites pass rush which results in injury and poor performance.
Lets see next year with a new coaching staff if DJ can perform. If he cant he's dogging it and living high on him new found wealth.
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Post by aris on Oct 12, 2018 6:15:44 GMT -7
1. Why would you trade away established talent when you have a rookie QB on a controlled contract for the next 5 years. The model to building a team to win a Superbowl in the modern era (unless you have Tom Brady) is rookie QB and with the extra $25m in cap space, surround them with talent. It worked for the Seahawks, it worked for the Eagles, it looks like it could work for the Rams and the Chiefs. 2. You have no grasp or understanding of the salary cap if you think we can just trade DJ away. He would be a $19m hit to the salary cap when we only have $9m in space (rough figures). It would essentially mean we would have to do a Brock Osweiler style trade for Bucannon to get him off the books, then still find some way of cutting more players in order to make up the remaining total. The numbers just don't work. So yeah, terrible idea. The team from which a player is traded is no longer on the hook for unpaid salaries or future bonuses, but is still responsible for accounting for any bonuses that have already been paid. I believe DJ will be paid his bonus next season. So the team taking him on will be on the hook from a salary cap perspective. Then it begs the question who in their right minds would take on DJ and owe him 27 million in bonus's. There are very few teams in the NFL who would have signed DJ to the contract he got coming off a missed season and more importantly being a running back. But Keim and Bidwill like to have press conferences where they are smiling and slapping each other on the back for these "accomplishments". |
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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 12, 2018 6:16:47 GMT -7
the problem is still sk...imho team didn't need complete rebuild, but if sk thought it did then why sign older vet free agents especially Bradford? or why extend dj? why choose dawson over mccrane? the whole mess reeks of NO PLAN AT ALL that makes sense. personally I cant wait for season to be over-its a lost year and the fault is 100% mb's for keeping sk...before season would have been ideal time to cut sk loose but after the dui would have been a plausible time to do so also. its just a shame to waste larrys last year and to waste a year in the careers of dj, pp, baker as well as setting rosen back as he will probably have to learn a new offense next year. the only way McCoy is gone this year is if offense is soooo bad that there is NOTHING McCoy can point to and say its getting better We signed Bradford because we didn't have a QB on the roster. My personal take is we were going to move up to 5 and trade with Denver in the draft to get Josh Allen. Allen was always a guy who would need to sit a year and a guy who struggled with accuracy through his college career. Bradford would be the ideal mentor with that regard. When the Broncos saw Chubb was available the trade was off, the Cardinals then got jumped by the Bills and we then move up to get Rosen. If Keim knew he would have got Rosen in the draft, I personally think Bradford would never have been signed. Why extend DJ? I personally wasn't completely on board but you want to reward your best players. We have a ton of cap space next year, you might as well keep what has historically been your best offensive weapon. Why Dawson over McCrane? I said on another thread, AQ Shipley insinuates he was talking **** about Dawson and the players never took to him after that. |
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Trade DJ
Oct 12, 2018 7:51:36 GMT -7
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Post by ThrowItToFITZ on Oct 12, 2018 7:51:36 GMT -7
I vote this 1 star.
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Trade DJ
Oct 12, 2018 7:58:43 GMT -7
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Post by bigangelg on Oct 12, 2018 7:58:43 GMT -7
Agree with everything you stated but the last sentence. And that's because neither you or I have any idea what conversations have been taking place in the building behind closed doors. Otherwise I concur and even posted another link to another article detailing with the misuse of the Card's RB room in this "scheme" that mirrors yours. We are on the same page on this matter of Offensive scheme cupability and misuse of team talent by it's OC. And to the OP, No, dumb idea. Touche' Joseph. I think im beginning to understand you now....i just needed to be awoken. Hope to see DJ going off like weve never seen before on sunday putting a silence to his critical fans. (Like me) |
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Trade DJ
Oct 12, 2018 8:56:00 GMT -7
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Post by JAB on Oct 12, 2018 8:56:00 GMT -7
I will give my deep breakdown as I always do.
Hell no..............
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Post by Deleted on Oct 12, 2018 10:07:06 GMT -7
Agree with everything you stated but the last sentence. And that's because neither you or I have any idea what conversations have been taking place in the building behind closed doors. Otherwise I concur and even posted another link to another article detailing with the misuse of the Card's RB room in this "scheme" that mirrors yours. We are on the same page on this matter of Offensive scheme cupability and misuse of team talent by it's OC. And to the OP, No, dumb idea. Touche' Joseph. I think im beginning to understand you now....i just needed to be awoken. Hope to see DJ going off like weve never seen before on sunday putting a silence to his critical fans. (Like me) Alas, I fear McCoy will perpetuate his misguided scheme.  I can only hope Somebody shakes his tree and wakes the man up! Then we will begin to see David flourish again. Don't let go of hope.  |
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Post by longtimefan on Oct 12, 2018 13:59:48 GMT -7
You are confusing how rebuilding is done in baseball versus how it is done in football. In baseball, they will "blow-up" their roster and start from scratch; trading all their best players to get prospects. In football, you keep your core playmakers. You do not trade them away. When is the last time a football team traded a franchise QB. Peyton Manning, maybe, but he was getting old and Andrew Luck was waiting in the wings. Another example was when Aaron Rogers replaced Brett Favre. Notice the pattern, one franchise QB replaced by another franchise QB. In both of those cases, the replacement was on the team and was not an unknown prospect. Same is true for running backs. Emmitt Smith was not traded until he got old and was no longer effective. With the possible exception of the Raiders, no team allows its best player to leave while still in his prime. No chance Cards would trade DJ or Rosen. Get a new OC to fix the problem. It is not the players, it is the coach!
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Trade DJ
Oct 12, 2018 14:07:58 GMT -7
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Post by vwvectors on Oct 12, 2018 14:07:58 GMT -7
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Oct 12, 2018 17:02:50 GMT -7
the problem is still sk...imho team didn't need complete rebuild, but if sk thought it did then why sign older vet free agents especially Bradford? or why extend dj? why choose dawson over mccrane? the whole mess reeks of NO PLAN AT ALL that makes sense. personally I cant wait for season to be over-its a lost year and the fault is 100% mb's for keeping sk...before season would have been ideal time to cut sk loose but after the dui would have been a plausible time to do so also. its just a shame to waste larrys last year and to waste a year in the careers of dj, pp, baker as well as setting rosen back as he will probably have to learn a new offense next year. the only way McCoy is gone this year is if offense is soooo bad that there is NOTHING McCoy can point to and say its getting better We signed Bradford because we didn't have a QB on the roster. My personal take is we were going to move up to 5 and trade with Denver in the draft to get Josh Allen. Allen was always a guy who would need to sit a year and a guy who struggled with accuracy through his college career. Bradford would be the ideal mentor with that regard. When the Broncos saw Chubb was available the trade was off, the Cardinals then got jumped by the Bills and we then move up to get Rosen. If Keim knew he would have got Rosen in the draft, I personally think Bradford would never have been signed. Why extend DJ? I personally wasn't completely on board but you want to reward your best players. We have a ton of cap space next year, you might as well keep what has historically been your best offensive weapon. Why Dawson over McCrane? I said on another thread, AQ Shipley insinuates he was talking poo about Dawson and the players never took to him after that. If that was SK's plan to move up and take an inaccurate Qb then he definitely shouldn't be making decisions and let go. There are some things you can work on with Qb's but you can't teach accuracy. That whole train wreck in Buffalo should be immediately let go for doing what they did to get the Qb they got. Thank you Buffalo !!! I don't think this team ever was serious about Allen or atleast I never saw that they were other then someone giving their opinion.I think all along the cardinals were after Mayfield Darnold or Rosen. |
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Post by UKcardinal on Oct 13, 2018 1:53:28 GMT -7
It is widely documented that if Allen would have entered last years draft he would have been the Cardinals top pick. Keim personally went and scouted him. He was brought in for a workout. I'm not a massive fan of talking about ITK sources but nearly everyone said Allen was the top of our board. Too much smoke for me to think otherwise.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 13, 2018 5:31:28 GMT -7
It is widely documented that if Allen would have entered last years draft he would have been the Cardinals top pick. Keim personally went and scouted him. He was brought in for a workout. I'm not a massive fan of talking about ITK sources but nearly everyone said Allen was the top of our board. Too much smoke for me to think otherwise. Can say the exact same thing about Mayfield and iirc Rosen as well. It was Not just Allen that was scouted and brought in. |
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Post by cardsfan88 on Oct 13, 2018 8:54:01 GMT -7
If DJ was just a RB, and we were hurting for money, then it might be worth it...but neither of those things is true. DJ is the best weapon on offense, and at this point our best WR as well. He is being misused, but he is not the problem.
We need to let Leftwich take over and see what he has as an OC.
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I can only hope Somebody shakes his tree and wakes the man up! Then we will begin to see David flourish again. Don't let go of hope. 
