|
Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 5, 2021 14:17:25 GMT -7
.
So the NFL trade market was set for Sam Darnold today for his trade value.
The Jets trade him to the Panthers for
A 6th round pick in 2021 A 2nd round pick in 2022 A 4th round pick in 2022
Ok Now that we have that out of the way.
I proposed we trade for Gardner Minshew a 3rd round/ or 4th pick and Christian Kirk . Minshew is worth more. I got some flack saying we were giving up too much
Some said a 6th rder ( I will have to look back)
Let me ask them Is Christian Kirk worth next year's 2nd rd pick and a 4th rder.
Plus the Panthers who have a record worse than ours is giving up their 6th pick this year.
Comparison
2019 Minshew 285 completions 470 Attempts
60.1 % 21 touchdowns and 6 Ints 3271 YDS
2020 Minshew 216 completions 327 Attempts 66.1% 16 tds 5 ints 2259 yds.
2019 Darnold 273 completions 441 Attempts
61.9% 19 TDS 13 Ints. 3024 yds
2020 Darnold 217 completions 364 Attempts
59.62% 9 TDS 11 Ints. 2208 yds
So in the same time frame
Minshew 63.1 % completion rate Darnold 60.8 % completion rate
Minshew 37 TDS Darnold 24 TDS Minshew 11 INTS Darnold 24 INTS
Minshew 5530 yards Darnold 5232 yards
Analysis: We need to trade For Minshew
|
|
|
Post by End Zone on Apr 5, 2021 14:30:18 GMT -7
Comparing Darnold's performance to Minshew's performance is certainly compelling (but, remember the Cardinals just signed McCoy, and Streveler is okay, so a 4th QB is unnecessary). For many reasons, Darnold @ NYJ did not have good numbers compared to Minshew @ MIA in the same years. The NYJ were terrible while the MIA Dolphins were improving since 2019. Thus, I just cannot say right now that Minshew's 13 more TDs and 13 fewer turnovers makes him the best backup QB for the Cardinals.
Minshew should be a starter.
|
|
|
Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 5, 2021 17:19:41 GMT -7
Comparing Darnold's performance to Minshew's performance is certainly compelling (but, remember the Cardinals just signed McCoy, and Streveler is okay, so a 4th QB is unnecessary). For many reasons, Darnold @ NYJ did not have good numbers compared to Minshew @ MIA in the same years. The NYJ were terrible while the MIA Dolphins were improving since 2019. Thus, I just cannot say right now that Minshew's 13 more TDs and 13 fewer turnovers makes him the best backup QB for the Cardinals. Minshew should be a starter. I think what made me post this was some of the forum members saying 'he is only worth a conditional 6th" or Christian Kirk and a 3rd or 4th rd pick is too much there were more All good points though I think I am defending his value in a trade more and of course we have McCoy,
|
|
|
Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 5, 2021 17:26:17 GMT -7
Comparing Darnold's performance to Minshew's performance is certainly compelling (but, remember the Cardinals just signed McCoy, and Streveler is okay, so a 4th QB is unnecessary). For many reasons, Darnold @ NYJ did not have good numbers compared to Minshew @ MIA in the same years. The NYJ were terrible while the MIA Dolphins were improving since 2019. Thus, I just cannot say right now that Minshew's 13 more TDs and 13 fewer turnovers makes him the best backup QB for the Cardinals. Minshew should be a starter. Hey Boss gonna burst your bubble. < see below I would have rather done the trade than sign McCoy Minshew rookie contract. Minshew played for the Jaguars who had a worse record than the Jets. He was on a bad team that is picking 1st this year.
2020 Jaguars 1-15 2020 Jets 2-14 2019 Jaguars 6-10 2019 Jets 7-9
|
|
|
Post by Chirpn’time on Apr 5, 2021 17:41:31 GMT -7
What if the Shew Fitz?
|
|
LD14
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1,463
|
Post by LD14 on Apr 5, 2021 18:27:19 GMT -7
The only way this trade makes sense is if KM is recovering from injury and will not be 100% early next year
|
|
|
Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 5, 2021 18:34:52 GMT -7
The only way this trade makes sense is if KM is recovering from injury and will not be 100% early next year Oh yeah its too late for the trade I am justifying my position All now is hindsight. I said Minshew was worth a certain trade value I feel vindicated that it might be even more than I proposed..
|
|
LD14
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1,463
|
Post by LD14 on Apr 5, 2021 18:53:04 GMT -7
The only way this trade makes sense is if KM is recovering from injury and will not be 100% early next year Oh yeah its too late for the trade I am justifying my position All now is hindsight. I said Minshew was worth a certain trade value I feel vindicated that it might be even more than I proposed.. If a team views Minshew as a QBOF, then yes you will be correct on your valuation. Have there been any rumors about the Jags trading him?
|
|
|
Post by FLCardinalFan on Apr 5, 2021 19:10:30 GMT -7
Oh yeah its too late for the trade I am justifying my position All now is hindsight. I said Minshew was worth a certain trade value I feel vindicated that it might be even more than I proposed.. If a team views Minshew as a QBOF, then yes you will be correct on your valuation. Have there been any rumors about the Jags trading him? Urban Meyer said back on March 19th (NFL.COM ARTICLE) They were not "considering" trading him. Draft day may change that thinking.
|
|
|
Post by End Zone on Apr 6, 2021 1:57:13 GMT -7
I wonder, how the 49ers will react to the Darnold trade? The 49ers set Garopollo's trade value at a 1st round draft pick minimum! They want more than a 1st, obviously. Darnold was just devalued per the ROI numbers. Nutty idea ... Would MIA be interested in working with the 49ers again, say moving Flint Gardner Minshew II for James Richard Garopollo (as prsummed starter, or backup to Tuanigamanuolepola “Tua” Tagovailoa)? Unlikely I say, since the 49ers already cut a deal with the Dolphins to move up to the #3 spot, first round, at great cost and risk. By the way, MIA got 3 first rounders and a 3 rounder from the 49ers for that #3 spot! Wow! The 49ers must be damned sure about getting at least one of those 1st rounders back from someone in exchange for Jimmy G; so, maybe it's MIA who pays th bill? Crazy idea, yes. But, the NFL is not always logical. What about this nutty idea: SF may have bet that QB Trevor Lawrence falls to #3 and they grab him. If that scenario unfolds, the 49ers trade-up to the #3 spot makes a ton of sense (ton = 3 1sts, 1 3rd). We live in interesting times - Mao quoted. www.sportskeeda.com/nfl/nfl-trade-rumors-san-francisco-49ers-want-first-round-pick-qb-jimmy-garoppolo
|
|
LD14
Pro Bowler
Posts: 1,463
|
Post by LD14 on Apr 6, 2021 7:56:46 GMT -7
Dont see Miami pulling the card for Jimmy G as they picked up Jacoby as their backup. They're set.
For Jimmy G, the only other teams I can think of that could use a QBOF are the Broncos, Patriots, WFT, Bears. That trade may not happen until after the draft though and when the Niners take a QB at #3, Jimmy G's value will certainly drop. Think of us when we drafted KM and there was no market for Rosen. We were lucky to get a 2nd while we could.
As for Minshew, a team that could really use a solid backup are the Cowboys. Prescott may not be 100% season start. Making that trade makes a ton of sense.
|
|
|
Post by End Zone on Apr 6, 2021 13:39:14 GMT -7
|
|
|
Post by End Zone on Apr 6, 2021 13:52:16 GMT -7
Dont see Miami pulling the card for Jimmy G as they picked up Jacoby as their backup. They're set. For Jimmy G, the only other teams I can think of that could use a QBOF are the Broncos, Patriots, WFT, Bears. That trade may not happen until after the draft though and when the Niners take a QB at #3, Jimmy G's value will certainly drop. Think of us when we drafted KM and there was no market for Rosen. We were lucky to get a 2nd while we could. As for Minshew, a team that could really use a solid backup are the Cowboys. Prescott may not be 100% season start. Making that trade makes a ton of sense. SF made clear that they are done with Jimmy G. His lack of growth since coming over from NE and constant injury bug limits his performance potential. Thus, he's not going to fetch a premium price on the trade market even though SF is signaling that Garopollo is worth a 1st rounder in the owner & GM minds. A 2nd rounder and some pocket change is what SF will get for Garopollo, if the Rosen example is used the gold standard for a QB reject. Of the teams listed above, I hardly see any of them throwing a 1st rounder at SF for Garopollo. True, these 4 teams need QB help. Interestingly, all 4 teams play home games outdoors. Garopollo might do better in the future with a team that plays home games under a roof.
|
|