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Post by End Zone on Sept 28, 2018 2:17:57 GMT -7
START tanking? that's like someone at Enron saying they should go bankrupt. too late to start after you've already finished it unless you got a time machine in your pocket. 3 games in and the season is done cleveland already proved they can win this year. we haven't. You guys are right. David Johnson is averaging 39 yards rushing a game. That's some serious tanking from a guy that's suppose to be the next young Adrian Peterson. We should of kept the old Adrian Peterson, who is averaging 80 yards rushing a game. Elder Peterson won't last at the Redskins. That is the next flash in the pan energizer team for him. Peterson is just one hard tackle away from IR or an outright cut again. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 5:33:38 GMT -7
Smh Even the most minor and worst of Pundits/media Knows why David Johnson is not getting his yardage he is capable of. And it has Nothing to do with tanking. Or his contract.  (where is the rolleyes smilie!??) |
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Post by biggs on Sept 28, 2018 5:39:16 GMT -7
biggs not enough time? weren't you once advocating for preseason to be cut to two games because that was plenty of time? its been 7 games now including preseason. he has had a fair shot, he got the job. not being able to cross the 50 tho...its not that he's losing as much it is that he's lost. nothing gets fixed game to game. he has no clue what to do. a head coach even a potential head coach would make changes after 1 blow out. wilks is sticking with the same program that got us to #32 so quickly. and game 4 game plan will be the same as 1-3. he keeps dropping the ball and expecting it to fall up. that's not going to happen. if he sticks with the same gameplan for game 4 will you then see the light? and no rosen was not a real change because rosen will fail also under the gameplan. all wilks is doing is risking blowing rosens career as completely as he is blowing the season. when wilks makes clevland look goo you've seen enough. if we can trade wilks for bowels that trade should be made in a heart beat. the jets can win a game, get to the 50. you take away the cards game and only the rams are above 500. we have been making average teams look like camps. we were 8-8 last year. there is no reason we should be less than 500 this year if wilks had kept the right players. with the draft we should have improved. we are not getting playoff teams week after week. we are the weakest team in the weakest division. there is no way to legit claim its a talent mismatch without that also being wilks fault. you would sacrifice two years and set the team back decades for wilks? why? what has he ever done for az other than lock up the #1 over all in just 3 weeks. keeping wilks for 2 years is like keeping cancer two years just incase it turns out to be the good kind. there is no good cancer. next year will be more of this year just like the next game is just going to be more of the past 3. wilks has no clue. if you ask him why we are losing he is gonna tell you because the other team is scoring more points than we are. if you ask why the other team is scoring more points he is gonna say "we gotta work harder, we gotta do more" when you ask do more what he is going to go on an "I believe rant". he has no idea. he doesn't even know what the problems are much less how to fix them. he can not name a single specific thing that needs fixed out of the many that do. he would not be a competent head coach at the highschool level. every highschool coach in Arizona can probably do the job better than wilks and they aren't nfl caliber either. as any highschool coach what the cards need to fix. heck even most people on this board can come up with answers. wilks cant. and yet you endorse wilks? everybody on this board knows one of the problems is throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 4. wilks doesn't. he has not named not throwing past the marker as a problem yet. |
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Post by biggs on Sept 28, 2018 6:00:12 GMT -7
The cumulative record of the teams we have played so far is 8 and 2. All 3 team we have played are vastly superior to us in talent on O and the the Rams and Bears are much more talented on D, it's a complete mismatch. Only the Bears have a rookie head coach. Every rookie head coach lost game 1 this year. This is the perfect year to make the change on D and bring along our rookie head coach and QB.
We actually have played better every week. LA is better than us at almost every single position. Vince Lombardi with Bill Walsh as the OC would have been blown out by the Rams team.
We need a massive upgrade at Linebacker. We need a CB, 2 WR, a reliable TE and of course a good QB. Wilson and Goff are in our division it's likely we need a great QB to really compete. Relax with Wilks. He doesn't have a team that can do more than play hard and at best after week 4 hard and smart. Football is a competition and right now we don't have the players to win the competition.
Most games I have seen early in the season are penalty ridden hot messes. We got a taste last night of a really good football game. We aren't remotely as talented as those two teams and both of them have head coaches who have been in place for a few years.
When people talk about discipline, Mike Tomlin has an amazing record as an NFL head coach. The Steelers are a penalty ridden, undisciplined football team. Tomlin is somewhat of a loose cannon. His teams consistently win in spite of it because they are tough and loose and are a reflection of his toughness and they have an elite QB.
Wilks was handed a mess of a team by a GM who clearly was a mess this offseason. The dam broke this year. It's ugly, be patient. We have no choice. This year is about Josh Rosen and Wilks getting better every week. You can't blame the head coach for walking into a disaster and expect him to fix it in 3 weeks.
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 28, 2018 7:21:04 GMT -7
you watched the game last night biggs? did you hear about when they were talking about goff being labled a bust in his 1st years and everyone saying sentz was much better? and they said the problem was not goff, that the rams were far superior to what they were playing before mcvay and goff was being hampered by fisher. that goff is mvp caliber and was about to be run out of the league as a bust because of clueless coaches, like so many other young quarterbacks have been. wilks does not deserve a chance to ruin rosen. the rams went from 4-12 to 11-5 in a single year. the reason? "coaches who understand football". the cards are looking like they are going from 8-8 to 0-16 in a single year. the reason coaches who don't understand football. if Bradford deserved to lose his job so does wilks for the same reason. infact more so. Bradford was doing exactly what wilks told him to do. wilks was not doing what Bradford told him to do.
what did you see in last night game? did you see a game decided by offense or defense? did you see dink and dunk? fishes proved why fireing a coach mid season is a great idea. it cant get any worse and it gives you more time to find a coach for the next year who can win, who will help the team reach their potential not hold them back. if fisher had been given more time you would have seen a very different game last night. if the rams had not knee jerked and gotten mccvey they would be at 1-3 or 0-4 not 4-0. 0-3 and 3-0, and the difference is a coach not a player. rember how surprised you were when the rams turned it around? remember thinking they just got lucky when last season started? and wilks is doing the opposite of that with the cards. we are not the victims of bad luck, we are the victims of a bad coach.
this year is not about wilks and 5rosen getting better. wilks is clueless and cant help rosen be4 any better. this season is about wilks trying to get rosen run out of the league as a bust to save his own job. if wilks were ****** would it be time to fire him? then its time to fire him period. yes I think I remember you asking which ****** I belonged to for calling fj ***** but being fine when I called rosen *****. I think you might have foind who considers ***** far too much. you are all for Bradford losing his job. you arte all for McCoy loseing his job. they are ***** . but the ***** guy deserves more time despite having the same record and the most control / responsibility for that record.
you cant blame the coach for walking into a disaster and expecting hinm to fix it in 3 weeks. granted but irrelevant since that is not what happened. he walked into an average team that by all accounts had a great draft and improved and turned it into a disaster in 3 weeks. he needs to go, and the sooner the better. i'll buy him some clown makeup so he's ****** than Bradford or McCoy when we fire him if it'll make you feel better.
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Post by biggs on Sept 28, 2018 8:28:18 GMT -7
you watched the game last night biggs? did you hear about when they were talking about goff being labled a bust in his 1st years and everyone saying sentz was much better? and they said the problem was not goff, that the rams were far superior to what they were playing before mcvay and goff was being hampered by fisher. that goff is mvp caliber and was about to be run out of the league as a bust because of clueless coaches, like so many other young quarterbacks have been. wilks does not deserve a chance to ruin rosen. the rams went from 4-12 to 11-5 in a single year. the reason? "coaches who understand football". the cards are looking like they are going from 8-8 to 0-16 in a single year. the reason coaches who don't understand football. if Bradford deserved to lose his job so does wilks for the same reason. infact more so. Bradford was doing exactly what wilks told him to do. wilks was not doing what Bradford told him to do. what did you see in last night game? did you see a game decided by offense or defense? did you see dink and dunk? fishes proved why fireing a coach mid season is a great idea. it cant get any worse and it gives you more time to find a coach for the next year who can win, who will help the team reach their potential not hold them back. if fisher had been given more time you would have seen a very different game last night. if the rams had not knee jerked and gotten mccvey they would be at 1-3 or 0-4 not 4-0. 0-3 and 3-0, and the difference is a coach not a player. rember how surprised you were when the rams turned it around? remember thinking they just got lucky when last season started? and wilks is doing the opposite of that with the cards. we are not the victims of bad luck, we are the victims of a bad coach. this year is not about wilks and 5rosen getting better. wilks is clueless and cant help rosen be4 any better. this season is about wilks trying to get rosen run out of the league as a bust to save his own job. if wilks were ****** would it be time to fire him? then its time to fire him period. yes I think I remember you asking which ***** I belonged to for calling fj ***** but being fine when I called rosen ***** . I think you might have foind who considers ***** far too much. you are all for Bradford losing his job. you arte all for McCoy loseing his job. they are ***** . but the ***** guy deserves more time despite having the same record and the most control / responsibility for that record. you cant blame the coach for walking into a disaster and expecting hinm to fix it in 3 weeks. granted but irrelevant since that is not what happened. he walked into an average team that by all accounts had a great draft and improved and turned it into a disaster in 3 weeks. he needs to go, and the sooner the better. i'll buy him some clown makeup so he's ***** than Bradford or McCoy when we fire him if it'll make you feel better. If Wilks was ***** you would be putting on knee pads. Why did Wentz suck in year 1? There is a laundry list of HOF NFL QB's who outright sucked in their rookie years. Goff and Wentz took their lumps and both teams put more talent around them. Nothing that talent and a good OC and QB coach can't do for Rosen if he has the goods. |
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 28, 2018 11:15:10 GMT -7
I got to agree with rdo3. Firing Wilks is ******. We will have him for at least 4 years and they will probably renew the 5th year option once he achieves a 5-11 season.
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 28, 2018 11:19:22 GMT -7
Smh Even the most minor and worst of Pundits/media Knows why David Johnson is not getting his yardage he is capable of. And it has Nothing to do with tanking. Or his contract. (where is the rolleyes smilie!??) I know, Wilks/McCoy is keeping him from running well. Just like a terribly coached team held Barry Sanders back. |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 28, 2018 12:41:59 GMT -7
biggs like i said you just don't know. the old e spn boards are gone but at the time I was very pissed we hired areanas rather than give bowles the job I though he earned, and I was very happy to see whis go. I hated buddy ryan. wilks went from bringing up buddy ryan nightmares to making me miss buddy. he was horibable and he was still far better than wilks. that's why I hate wilks.
if wilks had the same record and was ******* ***** I would still be saying to fire him. but glad to see you semi admit in your mind ****** is an excuse to be incompetent. its really not. the same goes for being ***** . incompetent is incompetent, it gets the same results, or total lack there of, regardless of *****. I didn't hate byddy ryan because he was ***** , or tobin, bugel, whiz and all the other failures. I hated them because they were failures. expected more out of green but he was still an upgrade at the time over the ***** guy he replaced. haley is the only thing that made the team better than green had it and that wasn't because he was ***** as whis proved when haley left.
and yes I hope bill vs tom and gronk gets so bad we get a shot at bill. and I hope he replaces who ever replaces whoever replaced wilks, ***** or ***** . I think bill can get the team back on the right track. and I hope wilks if fired asap along with the rest of his staff ***** or **** . who ever made the call to hire him should be fired and i'm pretty sure they are gonna be ***** . McCoy should be fired not promoted to wilks position for the same reason. he's clueless.
wentz did not suck his rookie year. he threw for 3782 yards his rookie year. he only threw for 3296 last year. perhaps you missed it. goff was the one who had the bad rookie year. goof had 1089 yards his rookie year despite being the player drafted ahead of wentz. he got a non wilks like coach and had 3804 his 2nd year. wilks is going to do to rosen what goffs 1st coach jefff fisher was doing to goff. for the team to have a future wilks has to go. for rosen to have a future wilks has to go.
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Post by biggs on Sept 28, 2018 12:58:04 GMT -7
biggs like i said you just don't know. the old e spn boards are gone but at the time I was very pissed we hired areanas rather than give bowles the job I though he earned, and I was very happy to see whis go. I hated buddy ryan. wilks went from bringing up buddy ryan nightmares to making me miss buddy. he was horibable and he was still far better than wilks. that's why I hate wilks. if wilks had the same record and was albino shite I would still be saying to fire him. but glad to see you semi admit in your mind black is an excuse to be incompetent. its really not. the same goes for being white. incompetent is incompetent, it gets the same results, or total lack there of, regardless of color. I didn't hate byddy ryan because he was white, or tobin, bugel, whiz and all the other failures. I hated them because they were failures. expected more out of green but he was still an upgrade at the time over the white guy he replaced. haley is the only thing that made the team better than green had it and that wasn't because he was white as whis proved when haley left. and yes I hope bill vs tom and gronk gets so bad we get a shot at bill. and I hope he replaces who ever replaces whoever replaced wilks, black or white. I think bill can get the team back on the right track. and I hope wilks if fired asap along with the rest of his staff black or white. who ever made the call to hire him should be fired and i'm pretty sure they are gonna be white. McCoy should be fired not promoted to wilks position for the same reason. he's clueless. Let me say this so we are clear. I would never have hired Wilks or extended SK. The day Arians resigned I would have fired SK and brought in a GM to hire the next HC. I was against bringing in SB because he was mediocre when healthy and he clearly is damaged goods. Both Philadelphia and MN, both with very good offensive coaching dumped him the second they could. SK was completely outmaneuvered in last years draft when it was clear we had a chance to get either Watson or Mahomes who I wanted. We also had a year of Arians, a solid QB coach to coach either one of them. Instead we sat and drafted Reddick. SK made a panic move to sign Sam and backed up by throwing a pretty nice chunk of change at Glennon. We got lucky, yes lucky in the draft with Rosen. We did extend both SK and he hired Wilks. I think, can't prove it, but I think SK had a lot to do with McCoy coming here. Wilks can't be fired because he can't be held accountable for the absolute trash SK has handed to him not to mention him being suspended when Wilks was preparing for TC and the season. Wilks may very well suck and deserve to be fired. 3 games aren't enough to make that determination. Further if Bidwill wants to get rid of Wilks and doesn't dump SK he's a fool and a hypocrite. That means Bidwill has to eat two contracts in year 1. He may not be his father buy I don't believe he's going to pay off those contracts and spend the kind of money to get a top guy in here. If we can get a proven winner dump Wilks today. If Jim Harbaugh or X was willing to come here and Bidwill was willing to both pay them and eat the current contracts of both SK and Wilks, I'm all in. The likelihood of that happening is slim to none. I hope Wilks figures it out. I hope he is willing to fire some coaches to save this team and his job. I don't know if he will or won't. 3 games isn't enough to know by a long stretch. It is enough to know Bidwill isn't eating 2 4 year deals. |
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 28, 2018 13:38:30 GMT -7
I disagree with rd03 about whiz. 6 new head coaches later and 25 years from now, when people are arguing about why do the Cardinals suck, history will show whiz to be the best and most accomplished coach the team ever had.
I agree with Biggs that SK needed to go. The drinking issues alone validate Biggs position.
I think Bidwill was behind McCoy, because I think he came cheap, and the lawyers worked out a deal where his salary is being significantly subsidized by the Broncos.
I agree with Biggs, in that it is extremely unlikely that Bidwill will fire any coaches because he will have to eat the contracts.
Bottom line is that the fans will pay for the sins of their team.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2018 14:55:40 GMT -7
Smh Even the most minor and worst of Pundits/media Knows why David Johnson is not getting his yardage he is capable of. And it has Nothing to do with tanking. Or his contract. (where is the rolleyes smilie!??) I know, Wilks/McCoy is keeping him from running well. Just like a terribly coached team held Barry Sanders back. Are you mocking or just trying to be funny? |
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 28, 2018 17:37:28 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Sept 29, 2018 1:18:23 GMT -7
Talk of sacking the Head Coach after three games is crazy for me. For better or worse he has been appointed by the owner 'for a reason' and presumably some of that reason was that Bidwell judged that he could be a success and not fail. However, talk of Wilks being 'given four years' is completely naive and unrealistic in such a high profile, high money professional sport environment.
To my mind Wilks should be in post to the end of this season without question and then when the season has finished and the dust has settled Bidwell needs to take a clear calm look at things. - Has there been progress throughout the season? Has Wilks learn't from some of his mistakes (he is bound to make some wrong choices along the way)? can he objectively see better times ahead? Vitally, is there a strong mutual trust between Bidwell and Wilks and a clear thought process that they agree upon? - Make no mistake the relationship between an owner and head coach is the most important factor and will define the whole club identity and longer term success (or failure).
If the answer to the above are a 'yes' then Bidwell needs to say he is in post for another 12 months come what may. They then have to sit down and decide who needs to be retained/ who needs to leave (including all the back room staff); which positions on the field are the priority? who is available to get in? can the tactics be modified/ changed? what needs to change with the training and fitness? etc etc.
If the answer is a 'no' then Bidwell needs to bite the bullet and sack the Head Coach and probably all / most of the current backroom team. - Just admit it didn't work out as intended and move on..
What the fans now need to do is be POSITIVE and support the players/ coaching staff/ owner and club 100% - Leave the recriminations to the end of the season. - With this full backing it might just help relieve any pressure building and it might just improve things throughout the club and then out onto the field. - If everything is NEGATIVE then the only outcome is to help push the club on a downward spiral. Do we really want that?
If the season finishes say 6-10 would you consider this failure or a disaster? - I know fans wouldn't be 'happy' as such, but as long as there was a collective progress happening then I personally would be content.
Finally, I predict a win this weekend v the Seahawks. Should this be correct then it will be a MASSIVE lift for all and may, perhaps, even lighten the mood on this board?!
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Post by Rimrock on Sept 29, 2018 7:04:22 GMT -7
LOL, talking to a guy at work on Monday morning. Told him how we had an extra ticket Sunday and had no takers. I said I was going to every game no matter what as I might be a witness to history if the Cardinals run the table. I can go to my grave knowing that I was there to watch the first 0-16 team in Cardinals history. My sons didnt want to go with me on Sunday.. LOL I forced the younger one to go. l feel like we should be reporting this to the proper authority's lol...there has to be laws against force feeding cardinal football |
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