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Post by aris on Sept 26, 2018 10:37:26 GMT -7
LOL, talking to a guy at work on Monday morning. Told him how we had an extra ticket Sunday and had no takers. I said I was going to every game no matter what as I might be a witness to history if the Cardinals run the table. I can go to my grave knowing that I was there to watch the first 0-16 team in Cardinals history. My sons didnt want to go with me on Sunday.. LOL I forced the younger one to go. Eating your peas and carrots or going to a Cards game. Which one would be worse? |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 26, 2018 13:00:57 GMT -7
LOL, talking to a guy at work on Monday morning. Told him how we had an extra ticket Sunday and had no takers. I said I was going to every game no matter what as I might be a witness to history if the Cardinals run the table. I can go to my grave knowing that I was there to watch the first 0-16 team in Cardinals history. My sons didnt want to go with me on Sunday.. LOL I forced the younger one to go. "Son, I'm not the perfect dad, but darn it I'm going to teach you to be the best miserable Cardinals fan you can be!" |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 27, 2018 2:53:33 GMT -7
It's a sign of poor leadership. Coaches who are leaders take responsibility for their players actions. They don't blame execution. They will say they didn't have their team ready that day. They will say they made some poor calls. He is already deflecting blame. Not a good sign.
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Post by cardinalsdo on Sept 27, 2018 3:04:35 GMT -7
Rookie Head coach with a new system. That's forgivable. It will take time. Signing a QB out of retirement for 20 million and signing a backup who isn't even active on game day for 4 million, priceless. Wilks inherited a team in hard decline. He was handed a washed up QB and a backup that drained cap and hamstrung the teams ability to be more aggressive in FA. He has two first round undersized linebackers, one of whom, Reddick is a project who is a liability on the field. He's primary WR is way past his prime and being paid like he was in his prime and he's No. 2 is a second round rookie. We have had terrible production out of the TE position for years and Gresham was out during training camp and missed the first two games. Seals Jones is a project B TE at best. This team is in rebuild mode not retool. Wilks is a rookie HC and deserves at least 2 years unless the second coming of Bill Wash suddenly decides he has to coach the Cardinals at a discount. Bowles is probably going to be fired at some point. The question is do we want him after he is run out of NY? Wilks will be here this year and next at minimum. He signed a 4 year deal with a team option for a 5th year. Characterizing Wilks after 3 games and press conferences that mean absolutely nothing is a crazy over reaction. 1. Changing a 3-4 to a 4-3 when personnel fits a 3-4 2. Changing to a zone scheme when traditionally played man in the secondary 3. Poor tackling 4. Delay of game penalties on crucial 3rd downs
5. Poor Clock management 6. Pentalties in general (back to back roughing the passer calls)
7. Not intervening in the offense. 3rd and 2 play. Cant run inside all day. Best RB is on the becnh. Should have intervened. All the good coaches still have a say in the offense as well. 8. Waited until the end of the 4th quarter to insert Rosen. Probably should have started the entire 2nd half.
9. Worst offense in team history
Wilks does not deserve another season. The above decisions had nothing to do with talent. These were coaching mistakes. Can't blame the the lack of talent for the above. That's on Wilks. Delay of game because your communication was poor and disorganized is a coaching mistake. These types of ill advised decisions to retain mediocre coaches for public perception is what kills franchises. The Seahawks fired Jim Mora after one season and hired Pete Caroll. How did they do?
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 27, 2018 11:50:36 GMT -7
biggs you told me I was over reacting before the season when I called wilks buddy 2.0. it looks like I was pretty spot on. it is not an over reaction to call the worst coach in the nfl nor the teams history a failure. its not a characterization its a fact, look at the record and standings. why subject the team to more wilks unless you are gunning for the #! over all next year too? being the worst in our history means nothing? maybe to you. to people wanting a winner it does.
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Post by aris on Sept 27, 2018 11:55:12 GMT -7
biggs you told me I was over reacting before the season when I called wilks buddy 2.0. it looks like I was pretty spot on. it is not an over reaction to call the worst coach in the nfl nor the teams history a failure. its not a characterization its a fact, look at the record and standings. why subject the team to more wilks unless you are gunning for the #! over all next year too? being the worst in our history means nothing? maybe to you. to people wanting a winner it does. The one caveat we have is to allow Wilks and Co. the chance to turn the season into a number one pick overall. If your'e going to be bad you may as well stink it up . Next season wipe the slate clean . Think about it. To attract a new coach we would have a budding superstar QB, tons of cap space and the number one pick overall. Coach's look at this. |
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Post by biggs on Sept 27, 2018 12:01:15 GMT -7
biggs you told me I was over reacting before the season when I called wilks buddy 2.0. it looks like I was pretty spot on. it is not an over reaction to call the worst coach in the nfl nor the teams history a failure. its not a characterization its a fact, look at the record and standings. why subject the team to more wilks unless you are gunning for the #! over all next year too? being the worst in our history means nothing? maybe to you. to people wanting a winner it does. It's not a fact. After 3 games it's still a characterization. This team was sunk when SK signed Bradford and blew last years draft. |
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Post by aris on Sept 27, 2018 12:10:41 GMT -7
biggs you told me I was over reacting before the season when I called wilks buddy 2.0. it looks like I was pretty spot on. it is not an over reaction to call the worst coach in the nfl nor the teams history a failure. its not a characterization its a fact, look at the record and standings. why subject the team to more wilks unless you are gunning for the #! over all next year too? being the worst in our history means nothing? maybe to you. to people wanting a winner it does. It's not a fact. After 3 games it's still a characterization. This team was sunk when SK signed Bradford and blew last years draft. It's looking more like fact Biggs. Yes Keim left him little to work with but this guy looks over his head. |
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Post by biggs on Sept 27, 2018 13:03:53 GMT -7
It's not a fact. After 3 games it's still a characterization. This team was sunk when SK signed Bradford and blew last years draft. It's looking more like fact Biggs. Yes Keim left him little to work with but this guy looks over his head. It looks like facts but a rookie head coach with a bad squad needs an opportunity to really assess the situation and adjust. That can't happen on the fly it might take some time. Jet fans are dying to fire Todd Bowles. I thought Bowles was a very good DC and would be a good Head Coach. I still don't know if he is because he's been ham-strung with a crappy roster and bad QB. If Wilks can't start to move forward and make changes he's toast. For me he should get a fair shot. It seems way to reactive to characterize Wilks based on 3 games where it was pretty clear every game has been a talent mismatch against him. I would give him this year and next. |
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Post by aris on Sept 27, 2018 14:25:09 GMT -7
It's looking more like fact Biggs. Yes Keim left him little to work with but this guy looks over his head. It looks like facts but a rookie head coach with a bad squad needs an opportunity to really assess the situation and adjust. That can't happen on the fly it might take some time. Jet fans are dying to fire Todd Bowles. I thought Bowles was a very good DC and would be a good Head Coach. I still don't know if he is because he's been ham-strung with a crappy roster and bad QB. If Wilks can't start to move forward and make changes he's toast. For me he should get a fair shot. It seems way to reactive to characterize Wilks based on 3 games where it was pretty clear every game has been a talent mismatch against him. I would give him this year and next. I would love Todd Bowles here. I consider him a very good coach. |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 27, 2018 14:31:40 GMT -7
biggs not enough time? weren't you once advocating for preseason to be cut to two games because that was plenty of time? its been 7 games now including preseason. he has had a fair shot, he got the job. not being able to cross the 50 tho...its not that he's losing as much it is that he's lost. nothing gets fixed game to game. he has no clue what to do. a head coach even a potential head coach would make changes after 1 blow out. wilks is sticking with the same program that got us to #32 so quickly. and game 4 game plan will be the same as 1-3. he keeps dropping the ball and expecting it to fall up. that's not going to happen. if he sticks with the same gameplan for game 4 will you then see the light? and no rosen was not a real change because rosen will fail also under the gameplan. all wilks is doing is risking blowing rosens career as completely as he is blowing the season. when wilks makes clevland look goo you've seen enough. if we can trade wilks for bowels that trade should be made in a heart beat. the jets can win a game, get to the 50.
you take away the cards game and only the rams are above 500. we have been making average teams look like camps. we were 8-8 last year. there is no reason we should be less than 500 this year if wilks had kept the right players. with the draft we should have improved. we are not getting playoff teams week after week. we are the weakest team in the weakest division. there is no way to legit claim its a talent mismatch without that also being wilks fault. you would sacrifice two years and set the team back decades for wilks? why? what has he ever done for az other than lock up the #1 over all in just 3 weeks. keeping wilks for 2 years is like keeping cancer two years just incase it turns out to be the good kind. there is no good cancer. next year will be more of this year just like the next game is just going to be more of the past 3.
wilks has no clue. if you ask him why we are losing he is gonna tell you because the other team is scoring more points than we are. if you ask why the other team is scoring more points he is gonna say "we gotta work harder, we gotta do more" when you ask do more what he is going to go on an "I believe rant". he has no idea. he doesn't even know what the problems are much less how to fix them. he can not name a single specific thing that needs fixed out of the many that do. he would not be a competent head coach at the highschool level. every highschool coach in Arizona can probably do the job better than wilks and they aren't nfl caliber either. as any highschool coach what the cards need to fix. heck even most people on this board can come up with answers. wilks cant. and yet you endorse wilks? everybody on this board knows one of the problems is throwing 3 yard passes on 3rd and 4. wilks doesn't. he has not named not throwing past the marker as a problem yet.
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 27, 2018 20:43:32 GMT -7
I'm thinking we should start tanking it for a good draft pick.
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Post by Rimrock on Sept 27, 2018 20:57:16 GMT -7
I'm thinking we should start tanking it for a good draft pick. aren't we already  |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 27, 2018 21:36:56 GMT -7
START tanking? that's like someone at Enron saying they should go bankrupt. too late to start after you've already finished it unless you got a time machine in your pocket. 3 games in and the season is done
cleveland already proved they can win this year. we haven't.
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Post by herreickhorn on Sept 28, 2018 1:13:33 GMT -7
START tanking? that's like someone at Enron saying they should go bankrupt. too late to start after you've already finished it unless you got a time machine in your pocket. 3 games in and the season is done cleveland already proved they can win this year. we haven't. You guys are right. David Johnson is averaging 39 yards rushing a game. That's some serious tanking from a guy that's suppose to be the next young Adrian Peterson. We should of kept the old Adrian Peterson, who is averaging 80 yards rushing a game. |
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