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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 24, 2018 8:23:50 GMT -7
I don't know, you don't know, Rog and the NFL rules gurus don't know, the refs don't know.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't think Rog & Co. even know what a catch is and that's been years. So buckle up tight for the hilarity that will continue to ensue from this latest lawyerly nightmare.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 24, 2018 8:26:48 GMT -7
Defenders going all out to get passed the OL are just supposed to stop and ask the QB if it’s ok to tackle him? How do you go from balls to the wall to idle that quickly. “Excuse me Mr Trubinsky but would you mind it terribly if I were to tackle you for a slight loss? My defensive coordinator would be most appreciative. I’ll try and be gentle and as a suggestion, you may want to just lay down and let me gently caress your cheek to mark you down. Would that be acceptable good sir?” "I would expect that any discomfort you feel in the immediate aftermath of going to the ground will disappear in due time. That said, if you were to experience any longer-lasting discomfort I can provide you with an 800 number that will connect you with the nearest NFL daycare center, they are well-versed in the treatment of owies and will surely handle yours in due time." |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Sept 24, 2018 8:27:28 GMT -7
I'm not in disagreemwnt with yoyr stance Boomer. I agree with it. We experienced it full force today on Golden and Nkemdiche's RP calls. I just disagree about Matthews. Tre Boston's call was borderline as well. True Tre could've let the Receiver run into him.....or in the strange world of NFL rules committee Tre should've caught the Bears Receiver and Gently lowered him to the ground...…  The roughing passer penalties on MG and RN were terrible and I didn't thing the call on Tre' Boston was correct either. The Boston call was critical as it would have been 3rd and around 17 but it bailed out the Bears big time at a time Cards had the lead.
Receivers are now being taught, that no matter how much the defender slows up and let's up in their hit upon them, to act like they are concussed on any contact .. QB's are doing this too.
The reason I don't like soccer is the "acting" to draw a penalty since many games are decided by penalty kicks on questionable "fouls". Soon we won't be able to tell the difference between WWE - soccer and soon NFL football. Of course the Spurs in basketball had also perfected timely "acting" to draw fouls in critical situations.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 24, 2018 8:31:06 GMT -7
I'm not in disagreemwnt with yoyr stance Boomer. I agree with it. We experienced it full force today on Golden and Nkemdiche's RP calls. I just disagree about Matthews. Tre Boston's call was borderline as well. True Tre could've let the Receiver run into him.....or in the strange world of NFL rules committee Tre should've caught the Bears Receiver and Gently lowered him to the ground...… The roughing calls were bogus and should be forgiven. Boston's hit was inexcusable. Not that it was dirty, bad, etc., but for several years now any time a receiver not in possession of the ball takes a big hit from a defender the hankie flies. Hit him with one arm, two arms, in the chest, in the legs, doesn't matter. Hankie flies. He's a veteran, he should know that. Not defending the idiocy that is the NFL rulebook. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 24, 2018 8:50:15 GMT -7
The NFL has gone soft, just like Clay Matthews said today after he was called for his third ridiculous roughing call in three games. The best sacks are not sacks anymore. While I will agree the rule is not right atm, I have to disagree about Matthews, he does play a bit dirty when it's to his advantage. I take it you didn’t see the Matthews roughing calls yesterday or last week, and are just basing your statement on your feelings about Matthews? |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 24, 2018 9:45:15 GMT -7
While I will agree the rule is not right atm, I have to disagree about Matthews, he does play a bit dirty when it's to his advantage. I take it you didn’t see the Matthews roughing calls yesterday or last week, and are just basing your statement on your feelings about Matthews? I saw a highlight of one where Mathews took smith to the ground, out comes the hankie, McCarthy goes nuts. It was a horrible call and I don't care what the rule says. If that's where the NFL goes.... boy it's going to get ugly. |
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Post by pajaro cerebro on Sept 24, 2018 10:01:04 GMT -7
New information out on what is considered a way to sack the QB and avoid a RTP personal foul: I love how the banana, er, I mean flag gets thrown for the defender letting the QB's head slightly hit the grass before putting the pillow under it. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 24, 2018 15:19:39 GMT -7
While I will agree the rule is not right atm, I have to disagree about Matthews, he does play a bit dirty when it's to his advantage. I take it you didn’t see the Matthews roughing calls yesterday or last week, and are just basing your statement on your feelings about Matthews? I saw them. Last week he picked the QB up and then came down on him, basically a body slam. The Refs even said That was why they flagged him. This week it was a replay, cause I only briefly watched the Skins/Pack game. (Pack was behind and skins had the ball in the 4th qtr. Enough for me to see ARod was not pulling another rabbit trick.) It could've been called either way. I lost respect for Matthews several years ago, when he started edging into playing dirty. Now, imho, he does it way too often. Declining star trying to make noise while he still can. No the calls that needed to go to the Committee was the 2 RPs called against us on Sunday. But because we are bottom dwellers now and do Not have a Superstar QB then those plays will get swept under the rug. Matthews is now another Michael Bennett in my book. |
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Post by Raze on Sept 24, 2018 17:03:09 GMT -7
I'm not in disagreemwnt with yoyr stance Boomer. I agree with it. We experienced it full force today on Golden and Nkemdiche's RP calls. I just disagree about Matthews. Tre Boston's call was borderline as well. True Tre could've let the Receiver run into him.....or in the strange world of NFL rules committee Tre should've caught the Bears Receiver and Gently lowered him to the ground...… The roughing calls were bogus and should be forgiven. Boston's hit was inexcusable. Not that it was dirty, bad, etc., but for several years now any time a receiver not in possession of the ball takes a big hit from a defender the hankie flies. Hit him with one arm, two arms, in the chest, in the legs, doesn't matter. Hankie flies. He's a veteran, he should know that. Not defending the idiocy that is the NFL rulebook. I agree with one aspect of the penalty: Boston stood over Gabriel in a "taunting" disposition. Had he just walked away or tried to help him up they might not have thrown it. Remember, the flag was WAY late. The call was wrong however. The only reason it looked bad was because there is a 40lb difference between the two (165lbs to 205lbs). Had the weights been reversed and Boston hit the dirt after the contact, NO penalty would have been called. It was purely a bad optics thing. Which means it was the incorrect call. The roughing the passer calls were inexcusable mistakes by the officials. They changed the outcome of the game. A QB should not be awarded RtP if one of his Olinemen pushes his man into him. This is similar to how they protect the ST player who gets thrown into the Punt Returner prior to the catch. This sets a bad precedent. (Although I can't imagine teams taking advantage of this by throwing Dlinemen at their own QB to pick up a cheap RtP, but they might throw a blitzing CB.) |
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Post by Boomer on Sept 24, 2018 17:14:08 GMT -7
How they singled out Golden from that scrum of bodies surrounding Trubinski for RTP was unbeleivable. Trubinski got pulled to the ground. No one landed on him, no one hit his helmet, no one went after his knees he got knocked around and to the ground. Beyond call and just robbed us of any momentum.
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Post by End Zone on Sept 25, 2018 2:35:46 GMT -7
The League has a major legal problem with player's head injuries. The League will do what is necessary to make "fascinating violent entertainment" safer for players. I do have a beef with the endless QB pandering. The excessive focus will change eventually. Probably because of more empty stadium seats.
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 25, 2018 3:30:14 GMT -7
The NFL has gone soft, just like Clay Matthews said today after he was called for his third ridiculous roughing call in three games. The best sacks are not sacks anymore. Well I seriously hate the rules on hits to Qb's I definitely get that and being a guy that loves tough physical defense I have to play devil's advocate on this one. I can see why owners and teams have to protect the Qb's. Usually decent Qb play is the only way a team has a chance. When teams get down to their backups it means your season in most cases is over. The product on the field they have to protect because the league knows good football usually begins and ends with good Qb play. It's been pure brutal and painful to watch the cardinals over the years when we were exp really bad Qb play like lately. It's not so bad for me like now no matter what happens with Rosen because I know for this team to do well in the future is dependent on Rosen getting the exp to become a competent Qb in this league. Simply said I can see why the owners need to protect these Qb's they spend a lot of money for even average qb's or in some cases less then average Qb's they invest a lot of money but as a league they need to keep people watching and enjoying football and the Qb's usually dictate good fun football to watch. I have to disagree the league has gone soft it's protecting the product on the field. They are gonna have to focus on knocking the balls out of the Qb's hands and tackling to where they are not driving their weight down in to the ground and through the Qb. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 25, 2018 3:37:04 GMT -7
While I will agree the rule is not right atm, I have to disagree about Matthews, he does play a bit dirty when it's to his advantage. I take it you didn’t see the Matthews roughing calls yesterday or last week, and are just basing your statement on your feelings about Matthews? You can actually see matthews turn his head to the left to avoid helmet to helmet contact but what they are hitting these guys with is driving the Qb in to the ground. I don't like it but it's rough watching football with backups in as well so I understand the owners protecting their investment in the Qb's as well as the product on the field. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2018 6:32:59 GMT -7
MNF was littered with "bad" RtP calls, especially when it involved Big Ben. Superstar QBs Must be protected at All costs, it would seem. But if you are a journeyman QB, not so much.... |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 25, 2018 9:54:40 GMT -7
The roughing calls were bogus and should be forgiven. Boston's hit was inexcusable. Not that it was dirty, bad, etc., but for several years now any time a receiver not in possession of the ball takes a big hit from a defender the hankie flies. Hit him with one arm, two arms, in the chest, in the legs, doesn't matter. Hankie flies. He's a veteran, he should know that. Not defending the idiocy that is the NFL rulebook. I agree with one aspect of the penalty: Boston stood over Gabriel in a "taunting" disposition. Had he just walked away or tried to help him up they might not have thrown it. Remember, the flag was WAY late. The call was wrong however. The only reason it looked bad was because there is a 40lb difference between the two (165lbs to 205lbs). Had the weights been reversed and Boston hit the dirt after the contact, NO penalty would have been called. It was purely a bad optics thing. Which means it was the incorrect call. The roughing the passer calls were inexcusable mistakes by the officials. They changed the outcome of the game. A QB should not be awarded RtP if one of his Olinemen pushes his man into him. This is similar to how they protect the ST player who gets thrown into the Punt Returner prior to the catch. This sets a bad precedent. (Although I can't imagine teams taking advantage of this by throwing Dlinemen at their own QB to pick up a cheap RtP, but they might throw a blitzing CB.) I'm not even arguing that it was the right call. The refs are conditioned like lab rats.... a wide receiver who doesn't have the ball just hit hard by a defender. That's it, flag. If it isn't being coached then let's chalk up another coaching staff failure. It's sad that players have to play within both written and unwritten rules, but it is what it is.
As for the roughing calls, after watching most of last night's game I'm starting to come around to the refs making all of those calls. The rules say the QB can't be handled roughly, make those calls over and over. Let's have 25 roughing the passer penalties in each game. Force Rog to fix it. If we just get the occasional few per weekend everybody will get used to it. Roethlisberger felt a little tap on his helmet last night and went down like he took a bullet. Flag. I want to see the Super Bowl come down to a 4th and 15 hail mary, pass incomplete but... FLAG! A finger grazed the QB's helmet, let's move that ball 15 yards forward and let that team kick the game-winning FG as time expires. Let's get this mess bottomed out ASAP.
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