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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 21, 2018 6:14:51 GMT -7
Not a fair comparison because Rosen isnt as good as them yet. Baker is a STUD. He rightfully went #1 overall. I wouldve traded anything to draft him. And I really like Darnold too. Both those guys are franchise QBs. Cant say that about Rosen yet. He wasnt as good as them in college, so one cant expect him to immediately be as good as them in the NFL. What are you talking about zaz ? with less talent Rosen didn't lose to Darnold amd outperformed him. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 21, 2018 6:20:02 GMT -7
Oh............and no to Rosen..we have no team yet and McCoy  couldn't draw up a TD if his life depended on it You have David Johnson and Fitz you use them and that will open up things for kirk. So far this joke has come about by the play calling and especially the Qb play. Bradford has checked out literally. Sorry but the kid needs to infuse this unit it's not gonna come from Bradford. |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 21, 2018 7:43:02 GMT -7
big difference when you have a competent coach who can get to the 50 yard line. I have read a few post here on this MB saying Hue Jackson not being a competent coach, so what does that make Wilks as a coach, unless you are referring to Todd Haley. you got it. I wish we had kept haley and sent whiz packing. we were never the same after haley left. whiz sent haley packing because he didn't want an easy replacement on the sideline so he could be fired mid season. |
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Post by Dry Heat on Sept 21, 2018 9:49:20 GMT -7
No Rosen vs the Bears. The rest of the team isn’t ready. Don’t want him up against Mack. Let Gresham and Golden start working their way back into the fold. Let the Oline continue to gel.
I’d wait until after the away games Week 5 vs the 49ers and Week 6 vs the Vikings. I think I’d even skip putting him in vs Denver at home Week 7. Another defense that could rattle him too much first time out.
By Week 8, the offense should have worked the basics out. That’s what we need to focus on. Oline protections, running, and WRs able to run correct routes. Gresham back as a weapon. If the team is ready, let Rosen get his first start at home vs the 49ers...a defense he could have some success against, and prepare for against (the Denver game is a Thursday game so we will have a long prep week).
Then we go into the bye week and can absorb whatever happens in the 49ers game as well as have the bye to prepare for Kansas City, who are allowing QBs to have big games. Then the Mack-less Raiders at home and the Chargers in a city he’s familiar with, followed by a matchup vs. Rodgers, who he admires and has struck a friendship with.
Until 49ers at home, make Bradford (or Glennon if Sam gets injured) earn the money he’s being paid for to get this team ready for Rosen.
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 21, 2018 10:33:00 GMT -7
Baker is 4 real...don`t know about Sam yet....at least thats my opin  I never bought the Darnold hype, how anyone could bite on a USC guy after Leinart and Barkley is a mystery. Then I saw most of the opener against the Lions where he looked pretty good. Now he looks average. We'll see. But if Mr. Accurate Sammy can't pull of the three yard dinks on Sunday the calls for Rosen will come early and often. Heck I might even join in. Or maybe I'll be the only guy screaming for Glennon just to mix it up. |
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Post by One_Heartbeat on Sept 21, 2018 10:35:21 GMT -7
big difference when you have a competent coach who can get to the 50 yard line. I have read a few post here on this MB saying Hue Jackson not being a competent coach, so what does that make Wilks as a coach, unless you are referring to Todd Haley. Jackson didn't even know his kicker was hurt last weekend. Not sure if that's because of him, the kicker or their awesome special teams coach. Anyway, utterly ridiculous. Let's watch Wilks go 1-31 and keep his job, then we can compare / contrast the level of incompetence. |
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Post by Zaz on Sept 21, 2018 10:47:57 GMT -7
Not a fair comparison because Rosen isnt as good as them yet. Baker is a STUD. He rightfully went #1 overall. I wouldve traded anything to draft him. And I really like Darnold too. Both those guys are franchise QBs. Cant say that about Rosen yet. He wasnt as good as them in college, so one cant expect him to immediately be as good as them in the NFL. What are you talking about zaz ? with less talent Rosen didn't lose to Darnold amd outperformed him. 86 year old Adrian Peterson ran circles around David Johnson week 1 too. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 21, 2018 13:07:47 GMT -7
What are you talking about zaz ? with less talent Rosen didn't lose to Darnold amd outperformed him. 86 year old Adrian Peterson ran circles around David Johnson week 1 too. Coaching and a very poor defense, you gonna blame that on Johnson ? fact is Darnold had better coaching and talent around him and Josh outperformed him both times. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 21, 2018 13:18:25 GMT -7
No Rosen vs the Bears. The rest of the team isn’t ready. Don’t want him up against Mack. Let Gresham and Golden start working their way back into the fold. Let the Oline continue to gel. I’d wait until after the away games Week 5 vs the 49ers and Week 6 vs the Vikings. I think I’d even skip putting him in vs Denver at home Week 7. Another defense that could rattle him too much first time out. By Week 8, the offense should have worked the basics out. That’s what we need to focus on. Oline protections, running, and WRs able to run correct routes. Gresham back as a weapon. If the team is ready, let Rosen get his first start at home vs the 49ers...a defense he could have some success against, and prepare for against (the Denver game is a Thursday game so we will have a long prep week). Then we go into the bye week and can absorb whatever happens in the 49ers game as well as have the bye to prepare for Kansas City, who are allowing QBs to have big games. Then the Mack-less Raiders at home and the Chargers in a city he’s familiar with, followed by a matchup vs. Rodgers, who he admires and has struck a friendship with. Until 49ers at home, make Bradford (or Glennon if Sam gets injured) earn the money he’s being paid for to get this team ready for Rosen. I don't think after what they said this week he won't be put in there. This is my opinion that he will not get any playing time this week after what wilks said but if Bradfor lay's another egg, then katie bar the doors. |
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Post by End Zone on Sept 21, 2018 16:12:47 GMT -7
The sunk cost on Bradford is not relevant to Wilks' Bradford v. Rosen starting QB discussions. Wilks' job is simple: start the QB that has the best odds at winning games. If Wilks thinks Rosen can win games, of course he immediately yanks Bradford for Rosen. Otherwise, Wilks faces immediate dismissal for not following his contract. That Bradford continues as #1 QB is a sign that Wilks does not have confidence in Rosen's readiness, not yet anyway.
Mayfield played last night only because Taylor was consussed. Mayfield was very fortunate to win. Few first game rookies win their first game starting over 10 points behind at the half!
A QB change for the Cardinals will take a similar injury incident. Lacking an injury incident, Bradford is our QB, win or lose for now..
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Post by biggs on Sept 21, 2018 16:57:03 GMT -7
The sunk cost on Bradford is not relevant to Wilks' Bradford v. Rosen starting QB discussions. Wilks' job is simple: start the QB that has the best odds at winning games. If Wilks thinks Rosen can win games, of course he immediately yanks Bradford for Rosen. Otherwise, Wilks faces immediate dismissal for not following his contract. That Bradford continues as #1 QB is a sign that Wilks does not have confidence in Rosen's readiness, not yet anyway. Mayfield played last night only because Taylor was consussed. Mayfield was very fortunate to win. Few first game rookies win their first game starting over 10 points behind at the half! A QB change for the Cardinals will take a similar injury incident. Lacking an injury incident, Bradford is our QB, win or lose for now.. Rosen's development is much more important than who gives us the best chance to win this game. The real question is should Glennon start and Bradford back him up and what game does Rosen actually start if at all this year? Mayfield only got in because of the concussion but Taylor has been a dumpster fire this year and has no business starting over Mayfield if the goal is to put the best player in to win the game. Taylor was starting to protect Mayfield, not because he's better. It's obvious he isn't better. It's obvious he doesn't give the Browns a better chance to win. That doesn't mean Mayfield is ready or really good. He looked great yesterday no doubt. He also played at home against a gassed D with no NFL tape on him to plan for. What's pretty clear is Bradford has been a dumpster fire. It's hard to believe that Glennon or Rosen wouldn't give us a better chance to win right now. What scares me is Bradford has been awful two games in a row. In spite of that they didn't want to subject Rosen to live NFL action. That's reasonable but why wasn't Glennon active if they are protecting Rosen? The sunk cost may have no bearing but at some point if neither Glennon or Rosen gets action and Bradford continues to look like a retired NFL QB than it's time to move on from McCoy and sooner than later. I can tolerate the team stinking. I can tolerate the process of developing a new QB and Head Coach. I can't tolerate the Head Coach putting up with a veteran OC who doesn't have the balls to protect his own future. |
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Post by End Zone on Sept 21, 2018 17:11:20 GMT -7
Biggs, you nailed it. We are definitely on the same page about several team issues. McCoy must produce or go.
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Post by Zaz on Sept 22, 2018 12:22:24 GMT -7
86 year old Adrian Peterson ran circles around David Johnson week 1 too. Coaching and a very poor defense, you gonna blame that on Johnson ? fact is Darnold had better coaching and talent around him and Josh outperformed him both times. Yeah and Carson beat Aaron Rodgers last time they met. So whats the validity of this idea of "he beat him when they played each other"? None. Zero. Blake Bortles outperformed Tom Brady last week. 1 game does not a career make. Or 2. Or 3. Or 10. Its not that simple dude |
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Post by rdo3 on Sept 22, 2018 12:39:54 GMT -7
Biggs, you nailed it. We are definitely on the same page about several team issues. McCoy must produce or go. but you gotta remember how McCoy takes his orders from. and it will have to come from above wilks to fore McCoy, no way wilks gets rid of his scapegoat. if wilks could fix it he would have already done it at half time in the last game. he cant and knows it. you might as well send both of them off together. no competent coach is going to come in to be aan assistant while letting the clueless one be their boss and get the bigger check and credit. haley would come over for hc, but he's not gonna come for the same position and hue has about the same chance of lasting till the end of the year as wilks and haley has already had a training camp, 2 games and a win with his current players. he's months ahead of where he would be here. wilks says Bradford is not the problem. wilks says its not McCoy. the reason is they are both following orders, doing exactly whats being asked of them other than win with the orders they are following. If we traded Bradford for tom brady before the next game I think we still lose. I think the problems stem from wilks. who ever hired wilks should be sent packing with McCoy and wilks, I don't care if its mikey b. |
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Post by Redbirdfan62 on Sept 22, 2018 16:02:53 GMT -7
Coaching and a very poor defense, you gonna blame that on Johnson ? fact is Darnold had better coaching and talent around him and Josh outperformed him both times. Yeah and Carson beat Aaron Rodgers last time they met. So whats the validity of this idea of "he beat him when they played each other"? None. Zero. Blake Bortles outperformed Tom Brady last week. 1 game does not a career make. Or 2. Or 3. Or 10. Its not that simple dude Your logic some how disappears in to thin air. How bout this maybe the cardinals had better talent at the time we know Arizona had the better defense.With your logic with better talent and better coaching how does one Qb out perform the other ? |
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