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Post by supercard on Oct 6, 2020 7:37:07 GMT -7
Wow! FLCF are you jumping off the cliff..... And why are you bashing Simmons just 4 games into a preseasonless year! C'mon Man! Buck up! I don’t think he is bashing Simmons directly by any means. He is asking some good questions about NFL talent levels needed v’s some college system players. There have been college friendly quarterback schools that put up huge numbers but fail miserably in the NFL. With Clemson with some past defensive players. Also, it’s question of why Simmons is getting very little snaps? So One question that needs to be addressed was he just a star athlete in a school system that made him successful. Personally I believe he can and will be a star in NFL. If not then he will be major bust. FLCF correct me if I am wrong in your thinking.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 6, 2020 7:37:44 GMT -7
I was never high on Vic Beasley (ran over a 4.8 40 at combine and was not "quick-twitch" enough to be a 3-4 rush LB) and Stephone Anthony was over-drafted but I was interested in him for the Cards back then at bottom of 2nd or top of 3rd round. Anyway Stephone Anthony had 112 tackles in his rookie year (2015) and made the all-rookie team !!! But what happened between 2015 - 2016, a New DC came in for the Saints AND MOVED Stephone Anthony to a NEW POSITION that he had NEVER PLAYED BEFORE !!! ... and his production plummeted plus injuries later in the year ended season. DC's move team's best tackler to New PositionSo ... I said before the draft that my concern for Simmons if he was selected by the Cards was that VJ was not a good enough coach to maximize his talents. I've mentioned before my concerns about VJ and maximizing players talents when I saw Shaq Barrett get picked up by the Buccaneers last season and lead the league in sacks when the year prior he didn't show this ability with VJ coaching him in Denver. It really pissed me off that VJ did not know Barrett's obvious talents when coaching him in Denver and recommend him as a FA pickup for the Cards in 2019 for a measly $4-$5M prove it deal like the Bucs did. The seat should be red-hot on VJ WARNING -- LB position production is ESPECIALLY sensitive to how well the defensive coaching staff is matching player talents to the right defensive schemes.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Oct 6, 2020 16:22:09 GMT -7
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Post by ThrowItToFITZ on Oct 6, 2020 18:45:35 GMT -7
I agree and always said when these combo guys "jack of all trades" types come out they have a higher chance of not translating well to the pros.
I hated that we drafted him..but it is still early.
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Post by BigRedFan on Oct 6, 2020 19:59:55 GMT -7
I’m not worried about Simmons but I am worried about the defensive coaching staff. Someone explain to me why Vance is anything more than a possibly decent defensive backs coach. I’ve studied the resume. This and more of this.
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Post by Native Az on Oct 7, 2020 7:00:52 GMT -7
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Post by devongent on Oct 7, 2020 10:54:13 GMT -7
So ... I said before the draft that my concern for Simmons if he was selected by the Cards was that VJ was not a good enough coach to maximize his talents. I've mentioned before my concerns about VJ and maximizing players talents when I saw Shaq Barrett get picked up by the Buccaneers last season and lead the league in sacks when the year prior he didn't show this ability with VJ coaching him in Denver. It really pissed me off that VJ did not know Barrett's obvious talents when coaching him in Denver and recommend him as a FA pickup for the Cards in 2019 for a measly $4-$5M prove it deal like the Bucs did. The seat should be red-hot on VJ WARNING -- LB position production is ESPECIALLY sensitive to how well the defensive coaching staff is matching player talents to the right defensive schemes. Okay stv; I take on board what you are saying as I respect your opinions. What continues to baffle me in all of this is simply what is Simmons best position? - I have read conflicting views and there is no cast iron consensus. Some view him as an out-and-out ILB and would argue placing him at Safety (for example) is going to stunt his longer term development. This, it seems, is the current view of the FO. However, others consider that he needs to be cut free and have a greater range of influence and, in short, the ILB position will cage his talents. The Revenge of the Birds article, below, is very much in the latter camp and it is very critical of the Cardinals throughout. www.revengeofthebirds.com/2020/10/7/21504621/keim-and-joseph-wasting-simmonsFor example, the following exert. - The first mistake the Cardinals made right from the moment they picked Simmons was to pigeonhole him as an ILB. Look at the tweet above from Clemson Recruiting News. Any of us who watched Simmons’ high-profile performance in Clemson’s 42-25 loss to QB Joe Burrow and the LSU Tigers in the 2020 FBS National Championship game, saw that Simmons was at his very best when being used in space as a combo S/CB/OLB—-because when Clemson moved him down to ILB in that game, his playmaking waned significantly. What I am saying is put the 'blame game' to one side for the moment and dispassionately state where Simmons should be playing to maximize his talents? I agree that we need to get him out onto the field for the team's benefit, but perhaps more importantly we need to be developing him for the future. To achieve the latter he needs to be playing. - To make this simpler then ignore all other players (and thus any attempt to accommodate him around others). EDIT: Remember the above article is only an opinion and thus it should not be viewed as being correct. - What are YOUR considered thoughts? To throw a rabbit in the hat then might Simmons be better suited in a 4-3 formation rather than 3-4 ? - A poster (sorry, I have forgotten who) mentioned the other day that our personnel was perhaps better suited to 4 - 3 as we could then have Kennard - Phillips - Peters - Jones in the front and Campbell - Hicks - Simmons behind. We would then have all our better players (arguably) on the field together. - I am not stating this option as any panacea, rather I thought to raise the idea for possible discussion.
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Post by Toosmooth on Oct 8, 2020 2:41:25 GMT -7
I totally agree the personnel looks perfectly suited to a 4 - 3, but we were an absolute shower when we went to that pre KK.
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Post by flash on Oct 8, 2020 9:07:04 GMT -7
I have to wonder if maybe we should have taken CeeDee Lamb instead of Simmons....also makes me wonder if we should have taken Metcalf instead of Isabella....
Perhaps they have to let Simmons play at one position until he learns it at the NFL level and can play it at a high level....oh...I guess he has to play in the game for that to happen...VJ...better start using him or it is going to turn out as a wasted pick for this season...I was expecting Simmons to play quite a bit...
Throw him into the fire just like the Lions did to Okudah....
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Post by BigRedFan on Oct 10, 2020 15:56:58 GMT -7
I have to wonder if maybe we should have taken CeeDee Lamb instead of Simmons....also makes me wonder if we should have taken Metcalf instead of Isabella....
Perhaps they have to let Simmons play at one position until he learns it at the NFL level and can play it at a high level....oh...I guess he has to play in the game for that to happen...VJ...better start using him or it is going to turn out as a wasted pick for this season...I was expecting Simmons to play quite a bit...
Throw him into the fire just like the Lions did to Okudah....
Cee Dee is making noise in his rookie season for Dallas but I'm not ready to 'jump ship' on the Simmons pick just yet. However, hell yeah we shoulda drafted Metcalf before taking the diminutive AI. DK easily gets to that wheel route pass from Kyler just on size and reach alone where we Cardinal fans have to watch Izzy, with his fingers splayed open looking like an 11 year old in a pop warner league football game. Not a given that Metcalf catches that pass but he definitley gets to that ball.
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Post by devongent on Oct 11, 2020 0:58:15 GMT -7
Perhaps they have to let Simmons play at one position until he learns it at the NFL level and can play it at a high level. Throw him into the fire just like the Lions did to Okudah.... Where would you play him flash?
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Post by ThrowItToFITZ on Oct 11, 2020 15:25:57 GMT -7
Soooo...I think this maybe the quietest 1st round pick we've had in awhile...and thats saying a lot.
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Post by Rimrock on Oct 11, 2020 18:52:01 GMT -7
Wow! FLCF are you jumping off the cliff..... And why are you bashing Simmons just 4 games into a preseasonless year! C'mon Man! Buck up! I don’t think he is bashing Simmons directly by any means. He is asking some good questions about NFL talent levels needed v’s some college system players. There have been college friendly quarterback schools that put up huge numbers but fail miserably in the NFL. With Clemson with some past defensive players. Also, it’s question of why Simmons is getting very little snaps? So One question that needs to be addressed was he just a star athlete in a school system that made him successful. Personally I believe he can and will be a star in NFL. If not then he will be major bust. FLCF correct me if I am wrong in your thinking. no you are totally right Joseph just lets his worship of the status quo splash kool aide in his eyes....FLD aint giving up on simmons in no shape or form
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Post by cbltv on Oct 12, 2020 5:49:07 GMT -7
I don’t think he is bashing Simmons directly by any means. He is asking some good questions about NFL talent levels needed v’s some college system players. There have been college friendly quarterback schools that put up huge numbers but fail miserably in the NFL. With Clemson with some past defensive players. Also, it’s question of why Simmons is getting very little snaps? So One question that needs to be addressed was he just a star athlete in a school system that made him successful. Personally I believe he can and will be a star in NFL. If not then he will be major bust. FLCF correct me if I am wrong in your thinking. no you are totally right Joseph just lets his worship of the status quo splash kool aide in his eyes....FLD aint giving up on simmons in no shape or form
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 12, 2020 6:43:51 GMT -7
PLAY SIMMONS -- you have got to figure out whether DeVondre Campbell deserves getting paid for next year. Also - did anyone watch Seattle on how they send a safety off the edge (were using Jamal Adams before his injury) on at least 50%+ of the time on passing downs. Derwin James of the Chargers is (when he is healthy) used in a similar way.
C'Mon VJ -- figure it out as Andy Dalton is not very mobile so put the pressure on. Need to sign PA this week as CB's will be going against Cooper - Lamb - Gallup (guess my thought on trading Kirk for Gallup won't happen since Gallup made 2 tremendous catches at end of game to hand Dallas the victory).
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