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Post by FLCardinalFan on Jul 13, 2020 10:03:17 GMT -7
The Washington Redskins Changed their name today. This is my question. What do you guys think?
Lets say a fan has an old #7 Joe Theismann Jersey
Or one of Sean Taylor #21.
Guess you can't honor Sean Taylor anymore
www.vogue.com/article/washington-redskins-to-change-team-name-logo Right Now they are The Washington Nothings Next year they wil dump the name Washington and I guess they will be the Nothings |
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Post by End Zone on Jul 13, 2020 16:52:22 GMT -7
I think I know the answer. The fan wearing the Joe Theisman #7 jersey has a US Constitutional right to wear the old formerly copyright licensed jersey and not worry about the words or images that were legally printed on the front and back including the now-discontinued Washington Redskins nickname and logo. If someone (stadium security guard, out of town fan, protester, etc) has a problem with the now defunct jersey, they can ask for the jersey to be removed. But to force jersey removal means risk of jail time for assault and a civil suit for denial of US Constitutional rights to free speech. A guard may claim the words and images are offensive to him. Or that he was ordered to remove the jersey by a higher-up. But neither personal view nor boss' order gives the guard the right to silence the wearer. No one can be forced to be silent in the USA. The Supreme Court has ruled on this exact 'freedom of speech' type matter several times. There are few exceptions. The wearer should by all means consider his situation and decide if resisting a polite removal request is worth confrontation. The wearer can sue later and surely win.
I think there will be a few who immediately burn their #7 jerseys. I hope they do that while kneeling on the burning pile of fabric. Others may remove and frame their jerseys. Still more fans will not care either way and wear their #7 jerseys until it completely rots off their backs.
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Post by Joe84 on Jul 13, 2020 17:46:04 GMT -7
I think it will be a fair deal if we don't allow visitor apparel into stadiums as well.
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Post by FLCardinalFan on Jul 13, 2020 17:50:20 GMT -7
I think it will be a fair deal if we don't allow visitor apparel into stadiums as well. Hi Joe. Great idea. I get where you are coming from. I was thinking about Washington fans at their own home games. |
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Post by Joe84 on Jul 13, 2020 18:03:04 GMT -7
I think it will be a fair deal if we don't allow visitor apparel into stadiums as well. Hi Joe. Great idea. I get where you are coming from. I was thinking about Washington fans at their own home games. Then they are representing their team history no different than the Seattle SuperSonics, Washington Bullets, or Tennessee Oilers. I have seen CFL jerseys at NFL games that are less 'relevant' than NFL jerseys which are active or not. Pardon my lack of semi-sarcasm notification with my previous response.  |
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Post by ConnecticutCard on Jul 13, 2020 18:43:40 GMT -7
I really can’t see it being an issue, when you’re at a game, you’re surrounded by fans, and the fans get it. Plus a lot of the older jerseys don’t even have the team name on them. Wearing one to a grocery store or out to eat will probably start getting frowned upon though
I wish they would’ve kept the logo and just gotten rid of the crazy offensive name, found something that honored the local native Americans, but what do I know?
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Post by End Zone on Jul 14, 2020 2:40:55 GMT -7
I really can’t see it being an issue, when you’re at a game, you’re surrounded by fans, and the fans get it. Plus a lot of the older jerseys don’t even have the team name on them. Wearing one to a grocery store or out to eat will probably start getting frowned upon though I wish they would’ve kept the logo and just gotten rid of the crazy offensive name, found something that honored the local native Americans, but what do I know? The Cherokee are the most notable native Americans in the southern Maryland state area, so I was told by an EEOC rep claiming that heritage a few years ago. I am sure that other native Americans also live in the MD area today. In the SE corner of Virginia, the most notable native Americans are the Powhattans. The name "Powhatans" has been applied to all of the Algonquian-speaking Indians in Tidewater Virginia since the area was first visited by Europeans almost 500 years ago. |
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Post by supercard on Jul 14, 2020 3:00:51 GMT -7
It’s all about Mob Rule in this new world. While the commissioner hides under his bed.
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Post by jeffcardinalfan on Jul 14, 2020 4:03:09 GMT -7
first-im cherokee and no sports names offend me at all!!!!
second-you can bet that no redskins jerseys will be allowed in nfl stadiums!! course its gonna be a while before there are fans at games...
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Post by supercard on Jul 14, 2020 5:01:30 GMT -7
Why should sports names offend anybody? It’s just and dumb for political purposes. Maybe they should check everybody’s pockets going into the stadium if they have any Indianhead coins on them.
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Post by supercard on Jul 14, 2020 5:05:25 GMT -7
They will be coming at the Kansas City Chiefs next wait and see.
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Post by Boomer on Jul 14, 2020 7:10:05 GMT -7
As I've said before it cracks me up that people somehow believe that these names were selected because ownership sat down with all involved and said "now let's make sure we pick a name for our franchise that will be truly offensive. something so heinous that will cause social justice warriors in the future to froth at the mouth, burn down and loot businesses and distrupt our lives until we are forced to change it."
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Post by Cardinals Junkie on Jul 14, 2020 9:40:53 GMT -7
Freedom of speech. Of course they will be allowed.
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Post by supercard on Jul 14, 2020 11:29:51 GMT -7
Freedom of speech. Of course they will be allowed. Try saying “All lives matter” and see how far that gets you with freedom of speech. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 14, 2020 14:37:03 GMT -7
Freedom of speech. Of course they will be allowed. Try saying “All lives matter” and see how far that gets you with freedom of speech. Silly.
Freedom of speech protects you from government intervening/incarceration.
Anyone can say anything (except things like fire in a crowded theatre).
But you are not immune to people responding to what you say and vice versa. That is fair game.
Any team organization can also ban the use, so that is not covered under freedom of speech. But I doubt any NFL team/stadium would.
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