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Post by knobby on Aug 5, 2018 20:33:11 GMT -7
if it's gonna be flag football can we let the cheer leaders play? bouncy bouncy bouncy. work a lot cheaper too With lots of closeup shots of the action... who needs to see 100 yards of grass? But we're straying from the helmet rule a bit here.  |
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Post by biggs on Aug 6, 2018 17:24:38 GMT -7
On the plus side watching the refs try to figure out how to apply the head rule will make you forget they don't know how to apply the catch rule.
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Post by rooseveltcardsfan on Aug 6, 2018 19:59:32 GMT -7
On the plus side watching the refs try to figure out how to apply the head rule will make you forget they don't know how to apply the catch rule. They already have almost every play on tape, from many different angles. Most practices I’m sure are the same way. They will figure out how to use Tech somehow.. if they can somehow have less actual plays within a game, it lowers risk..possibly less injuries. If they could make the clock longer, and less stopping of the clock and have a game last less than 3.25 hours on tv.. say there are 100 plays in an average game. If you could make it 92 plays average. That’s 8%! Less wear and tire on the players, less concussions. Longer career’s.. if they could do that and still keep the fans interested by using technology. It’s a winner, in my eyes. |
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Post by rdo3 on Aug 6, 2018 23:56:40 GMT -7
wont work roos. some teams try to run out the clock and some try to save the clock. it would end up with some games being 2 hours and some 4 hours. tv schedules cant have some games taking twice as long. if you cut down on the number of plays you also cut down on the number of yards, tackels, sacks etc...and some players have incentive based contracts. can you imagine missing a 5 million dollar bonus by 1% because there were 8% few plays? it would lead back to more garenteed money and less earn it based money. it would reward the prima donas at the expense of the players actually winning the games for you.
injuries are going to happen, its a fact of physics. longer careers for some means no career for others. remember warner? he was undrafted. he is in the hof and deserving of his career that only happened because some other players career wasn't a couple of years longer. without an injury to bledso brady would have never gotten a chance. same with farve and Rodgers. the only way to take injuries out of the game is to have it played by robots. and if that happens gues how much the players are making? zero. look how many players are injured in practice. that kicker blew out a knee celebrating a field goal. and its not just the nfl, its just plain life. how many people do you know that have never had an injury? probably none. you've had injuries., I have. everybody I know has. they are a part of life, the only way to stop them is death because you cant get injured again or it wont matter anyway. my self i'll take the risk of injury to keep breathing.
everybody gets injured. nfl players get injured. the difference between nfl players and the average joe is they get paid tons of money and have better medical care before and after injuries. concussions are over blown or every boxer would be a drooling idiot. I've had 5 concussions as a kid. I was 3'9" when I graduated the 8th grade and all of 50 lbs. for pe we played football. I was half the size of some kids but a lot faster. because I was lower to the ground I usually got to fumbles. I was small enough I could dive thru your legs. I recovered the ball and some times the huge fat guys recovered my head. I had a 3.9 gpa in college, the only class I didn't get an a in was college study skills which was supposed to be an easy a because I refused to use 3X5 cards. my a in every other class proved my study skills and methods worked very well for me. they should have tried to make everyone else study like me not me study like everyone else. i had a better gpa than the professor did when he was a student. still couldn't talk him into giving me an a. none of my professors thought I had a damaged brain. I had no cte. i'm 55 and still don't. yeah i'm a bit of an ass but that's just me not the concussions.
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Post by Red Stepchild on Aug 7, 2018 14:10:49 GMT -7
Certainly some of the high profile injuries like Shazir are a factor and specifically I can see how his style of play contributed to the creation of this rule. As others have pointed out though, injuries (even truly tragic ones) have always been a part of the game.
I hated seeing Shazir or Davante Adams laying on the field after the hit, but I think the real urgency and need to create this rule is the CTE crisis. The NFL has to do SOMETHING. CTE is such a threat to the NFL (let's set aside the fact that it is wrecking players brains) that flag football is a very real foreseeable future of the sport. The NFL’s entire player base relies on parents allowing their kids to play Pop Warner and high school/college students to hand their brains over to a game that almost none of them will ever play professionally. When that stops, football as we know it stops... and this is not some kind of "global warming-it will wipe out some islanders-but really it's our grandkid's grandkids problem" kind of problem... football's lock on the country's most elite athletes could be over in 15 years (as soon as the guy in highschool that gets all the chicks is a goalkeeper instead of a quarterback)
Here's how I learned to stop worrying and love the helmet rule (also known as: Rule 12, Section 2, Article 8)
Football is not "the beautiful game"... as in, it's not simple and elegant like soccer (or like futbol fans imagine futbol to be). Football is a complicated, crazy sport that infuriates fans (and especially non-fans) with it's convoluted rules and weird gameplay. Games being won or lost based on WTF calls is a tradition! A sense of humor and kind a nihilism about "fairness" is required of every fanbase except the Patriots. I've also decided to welcome everything that makes the game more freakishly technical, requiring a strange sort of advanced I.Q. from defensive (and offensive) brutes. It's breeding a new kind of elite player/specialist.
Ok, I admit it... I'm a little concerned it's going to ruin the season. All the things people have brought up against how the rule is worded and the uncertainty in how it will be implemented are totally relevant. How will they decide what to call when they can reasonably call every play?! Games with a penalty on every play totally suck (unless I'm watching with a die-hard soccer fan, then I just let them complain and while I croon "those are the rules!"). So a decision has been made to enjoy seeing how this wacky thing plays out. Who say's a can of worms can't be good time? Football is always changing, and I'm one of the people who likes it better the way it is now than how it was 30 years ago. Fingers crossed, I'll like it even better 30 years from now.
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Post by Cardinals Junkie on Aug 12, 2018 9:43:32 GMT -7
If last nights game was a debut for us as Cardinals fans as to what we can expect with the new helmet rule then this season is going to lead to a lot of frustrated fans.
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Post by Dry Heat on Aug 12, 2018 9:50:31 GMT -7
I expect an increase in injuries, fan and player anger across the league, and a switch back to the original rule. However, I think the NFL is now in a place where they will accept 10 new injuries to avoid a head injury, so we will see.
It’s just not normal to keep your head up when colliding with something.
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Post by rdo3 on Aug 12, 2018 10:00:06 GMT -7
they need better helmets. maybe something like the hans device nascar uses. the solution is new equipment, not new rules. and don't worry about running out of players because of concussions. athletes will risk their health for the money and glory. steroids will mess you up worse than concussions, and we have to aggressively force them to not do that. even if they knew they were going to get it they would still do it. having to pay in the future for what you get now is the human way, and especially among the young who feel invulnerable. watch people in their teens and 20s drive. do you really think they are worried about getting hurt? nope. and that risk doesn't come with a million $ bonus.
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Post by knobby on Aug 12, 2018 12:19:41 GMT -7
If last nights game was a debut for us as Cardinals fans as to what we can expect with the new helmet rule then this season is going to lead to a lot of frustrated fans.
That's my take on it, too - and would bet more than a few frustrated players as well. An ill-conceived rule IMO that could have worse side effects than the original problem the rule was supposed to fix.
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Post by Cardinals Junkie on Aug 12, 2018 12:33:58 GMT -7
If last nights game was a debut for us as Cardinals fans as to what we can expect with the new helmet rule then this season is going to lead to a lot of frustrated fans.
That's my take on it, too - and would bet more than a few frustrated players as well. An ill-conceived rule IMO that could have worse side effects than the original problem the rule was supposed to fix.
Just about every other tackle could be called for a tackle with the defensive player lowering his helmet so for the refs to be selective and only seem to call them on big game impacting plays is going to suck. This new rule is not a solution to a problem, it just creates more problems. Conspiracy theorists are going to go haywire. Pasche was adamant that the last big call was a classic example of the rule and how it should be implemented because the defensive player was linear. I didn't see it the way he did. He also said it was helmet to helmet and that definitely did not look like a direct helmet to helmet call. Helmets may have grazed each other or they could have missed each other. It was hard to tell with the viewing angle we had. Hopefully, the refs will go back and review these calls and create better definitions on them and call them less as preseason progresses. Nobody wants games to be decided by refs. They need to do something. |
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Post by Rimrock on Aug 12, 2018 13:07:36 GMT -7
if last nights calls were a preview of things to come...i just don`t know how much longer i can watch football.........2 perfect hits
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Post by Red Stepchild on Aug 12, 2018 14:46:10 GMT -7
they need better helmets. maybe something like the hans device nascar uses. the solution is new equipment, not new rules. New helmet proposal: ![]() Attachment Deleted |
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Post by End Zone on Aug 12, 2018 15:52:19 GMT -7
I think the new helmet hit rule is the right idea, but as we saw last night the type impact contact is not being ruled correctly. A hit has to be allowed. Hitting is part of NFL pro football. Maybe the game itself is just too violent for this new rule. The refs have a month to figure it out. Or, as Rim suggested, fans could tune out this version of the new NFL.
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Post by Red Stepchild on Aug 13, 2018 14:55:03 GMT -7
The second bad call in the Cards/Chargers game is getting a fair share of national coverage as an example of "this helmet rule thing is going to be a mess". Hopefully, after a few real games, it will be seen as an outlier.
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