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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 19, 2024 17:23:55 GMT -7
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QB: QBs on average peak at 25 and then stay at that peak until 28. The drop off then begins, but drops slowly so that a QB1 who is successful in their late 20’s can often perform well into early to mid 30’s. We know some can play well to late 30’s but they are rare, pocket passing elite QB’s.
Kyler Murray (82) is now 27. It’s a shame he lost part of his age 25 and 26 seasons to injury, but it’s reasonable to assume we are seeing Kyler near the top of his potential, though he may stay there a while. I’d compare him to Russell Wilson who is still playing fairly well (70’s PFFs the last few years and 90 4 yrs ago) at almost 36 yrs old. Suffice to say, if Murray continues at the level he’s played this year he could be our QB1 for many years, past 2030. Clayton Tune is already 25 1/2 and needs to show something soon if he wants to remain in the NFL. IMO We seem set at QB1 but in great need of a reliable backup.
WR: WRs have one of the earliest peaks and longest maintenance of that peak. They peak at 27 but are within statistical blips of that level from age 24-30, within 1% of peak! A receiver’s biggest statistical jump is between ages 23 to 24.
MHJ (79) is barely 22, Wilson (65) is 24, and Dortch (60) is 26. Rookie Weaver is actually 24 already, and our vets Jones and Pascal are 29. Starters look good but I wouldn’t mind an upgrade to Wilson/Dortch. I still have expectations for Wilson.
RB: Don’t let your kid be a RB. They peak early at ages 22-25, specifically 23 to 24. After 25, yards per carry and TD’s per carry tend to drop each year. Few play well past 29, which is where the tire tread seems to wear out on the body. There are of course exceptions and we see several this season like Henry, but you should never put money on a RB over 30 if you’re playing the odds.
Conner (83) is 29 and an upcoming free agent who is currently a stud for us. A tough decision looms. It’s important to remember he’s had only one 1,000 yard season…but that was last year. He may be one of those RBs who can keep it up for 2-4 more years? He is a locker room and on field motivator as well. Benson is (63 and rising) is 22 and IMO has a great future ahead. He is now matching Conner’s yards per carry at 4.4, he just isn’t getting the TD opportunities yet. Demercado (75) is 25.
TE: TE’s peak 25-27 but 23-30 is generally in the same range, and the decline is not too bad after 30. Talent seems to really jump in their sophomore year and then they peak and maintain.
Trey (82) is 24, Higgins (65) is 24, and Tip Reiman (blocking beast) is 23. We are in great shape here!
Oline: Olinemen are interesting as they peak later and maintain longer. They need experience and old man strength. Talent rises slowly until 26-28 but doesn’t really start to drop until 32-34. After 34 it can go quite rapidly, mainly due to knees and other injuries stacking up.
Paris (80) is 23, and we are so set at LT! Jonah Williams is 27, Froholdt (74) is 28, Brown (70) is 28, and Hernandez (69) is 29. Good ages for vet Olinemen. Old Beachum is 35. Our young development projects are Gaines at 25, Adams at 24, and Jones at 24 and Colon is 26. Not bad.
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Dline: Dlinemen are similar to Olinemen in that they improve until 26-28 and then if they make it that far maintain good play into their 30’s. Dlinemen who don’t perform by 25 are often out of the NFL. If they do they are rarely let go. I always say God doesn’t make a lot of athletic 300 lb men so you need to get them when you can (draft).
Like many positions, we are young on the Dline. DRob is 23, Stills (54) is 24, N Jones (57) is 26, Lopez (53) is 27, Tonga (59) is 28, and Collier (45) is 29. Look at that awful level of PFF play! We need upgrades, and hopefully DRob is a stud. Worse, our two big and fairly expensive Dline additions Jones (30) and Nichols (40) are both 28 on IR and are on contracts difficult to get out of next year. If there is any group we need to upgrade, it’s Dline!!!
OLB/ILB: I’m grouping these together as both peak between 25-28 and maintain until around 31, then decline.
Our OLB’s Ojulari is only 22, Browning (64), Luketa (71), Dimukeje and Collins (70) are 25, rookie Thomas is 24. Old man Gardeck (72) is 30 and an upcoming FA. Fairly young group but we could really use one OLB stud. Maybe that will be Ojulari?
At ILB we have Wilson (67) at 26, K White (52) at 28, Barnes (50) at 26, and Pappoe (63) at 24. I strongly feel we need to upgrade this group as well. I know Rallis loves Kyzir enough to name his son after him but we need better from him if he’s gonna remain a starter.
CB: Corners generally perform at a high level by their third season, peak at age 27, drop a bit each year until 30, then drop off significantly. Few CBs in the NFL are given contracts beyond 32 yrs of age for a reason. The position depends more on speed, athleticism and quick twitch more than veteran wiles.
G Williams (73) and K Clark (73) are 23, S Thomas V is 24 (60) and M Melton (51) is 22. All 4 are in their first or second season. Good things ahead for this group IMO. We also have injured E Jones who is 24.
S: Finally safety. Safety is like a combo between CB and LB and is complex. It takes less athleticism and more brains/experience than CB, and more muscle and willingness to tackle. They peak around the same as LBs and last almost as long. The drop off happens at 30.
Budda (76) is 28, Thompson (62) is 26, rookie Rabbit (84!) is 24, and Blount is 26. We have a decision to make with Budda, who is an upcoming FA. Thompson was having a down year before injury. Budda has a nice 76 PFF and seems to be playing like it’s a contract year. 2 of his last 3 years were 65 PFF’s.
A lot of research here and it was good to see how young we are at so many position groups. All current NFL teams fall between 25-27 average team age, and we are at 26 right in the middle, but a few of our old timers like Beachum and Prater tilt our average and the starters are mostly peak or soon to peak age, often with 22-24 year olds being developed behind them.
We need better interior linemen, a stud OLB, better ILBs, and an upgrade at guard, CB or WR2 would be nice. RT and Jonah Wiliams tbd.
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 19, 2024 19:03:27 GMT -7
Like QC I think Monri trades down the first pick for an extra 3rd...I could see 2 DL and OG in the first 3 picks...P Wilson was a big miss on an off ball LB in the 2024 draft...I could see another off ball LB in the 5-6 rounds in 2025.
If this plays out 2 DL, OG and a off ball LB in the 2025 draft...the layering of roster building will be solid.
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Post by thomas cat on Nov 19, 2024 19:15:21 GMT -7
OFFENSE: QB: QBs on average peak at 25 and then stay at that peak until 28. The drop off then begins, but drops slowly so that a QB1 who is successful in their late 20’s can often perform well into early to mid 30’s. We know some can play well to late 30’s but they are rare, pocket passing elite QB’s. Kyler Murray (82) is now 27. It’s a shame he lost part of his age 25 and 26 seasons to injury, but it’s reasonable to assume we are seeing Kyler near the top of his potential, though he may stay there a while. I’d compare him to Russell Wilson who is still playing fairly well (70’s PFFs the last few years and 90 4 yrs ago) at almost 36 yrs old. Suffice to say, if Murray continues at the level he’s played this year he could be our QB1 for many years, past 2030. Clayton Tune is already 25 1/2 and needs to show something soon if he wants to remain in the NFL. IMO We seem set at QB1 but in great need of a reliable backup. WR: WRs have one of the earliest peaks and longest maintenance of that peak. They peak at 27 but are within statistical blips of that level from age 24-30, within 1% of peak! A receiver’s biggest statistical jump is between ages 23 to 24. MHJ (79) is barely 22, Wilson (65) is 24, and Dortch (60) is 26. Rookie Weaver is actually 24 already, and our vets Jones and Pascal are 29. Starters look good but I wouldn’t mind an upgrade to Wilson/Dortch. I still have expectations for Wilson. RB: Don’t let your kid be a RB. They peak early at ages 22-25, specifically 23 to 24. After 25, yards per carry and TD’s per carry tend to drop each year. Few play well past 29, which is where the tire tread seems to wear out on the body. There are of course exceptions and we see several this season like Henry, but you should never put money on a RB over 30 if you’re playing the odds. Conner (83) is 29 and an upcoming free agent who is currently a stud for us. A tough decision looms. It’s important to remember he’s had only one 1,000 yard season…but that was last year. He may be one of those RBs who can keep it up for 2-4 more years? He is a locker room and on field motivator as well. Benson is (63 and rising) is 22 and IMO has a great future ahead. He is now matching Conner’s yards per carry at 4.4, he just isn’t getting the TD opportunities yet. Demercado (75) is 25. TE: TE’s peak 25-27 but 23-30 is generally in the same range, and the decline is not too bad after 30. Talent seems to really jump in their sophomore year and then they peak and maintain. Trey (82) is 24, Higgins (65) is 24, and Tip Reiman (blocking beast) is 23. We are in great shape here! Oline: Olinemen are interesting as they peak later and maintain longer. They need experience and old man strength. Talent rises slowly until 26-28 but doesn’t really start to drop until 32-34. After 34 it can go quite rapidly, mainly due to knees and other injuries stacking up. Paris (80) is 23, and we are so set at LT! Jonah Williams is 27, Froholdt (74) is 28, Brown (70) is 28, and Hernandez (69) is 29. Good ages for vet Olinemen. Old Beachum is 35. Our young development projects are Gaines at 25, Adams at 24, and Jones at 24 and Colon is 26. Not bad. DEFENSE Dline: Dlinemen are similar to Olinemen in that they improve until 26-28 and then if they make it that far maintain good play into their 30’s. Dlinemen who don’t perform by 25 are often out of the NFL. If they do they are rarely let go. I always say God doesn’t make a lot of athletic 300 lb men so you need to get them when you can (draft). Like many positions, we are young on the Dline. DRob is 23, Stills (54) is 24, N Jones (57) is 26, Lopez (53) is 27, Tonga (59) is 28, and Collier (45) is 29. Look at that awful level of PFF play! We need upgrades, and hopefully DRob is a stud. Worse, our two big and fairly expensive Dline additions Jones (30) and Nichols (40) are both 28 on IR and are on contracts difficult to get out of next year. If there is any group we need to upgrade, it’s Dline!!! OLB/ILB: I’m grouping these together as both peak between 25-28 and maintain until around 31, then decline. Our OLB’s Ojulari is only 22, Browning (64), Luketa (71), Dimukeje and Collins (70) are 25, rookie Thomas is 24. Old man Gardeck (72) is 30 and an upcoming FA. Fairly young group but we could really use one OLB stud. Maybe that will be Ojulari? At ILB we have Wilson (67) at 26, K White (52) at 28, Barnes (50) at 26, and Pappoe (63) at 24. I strongly feel we need to upgrade this group as well. I know Rallis loves Kyzir enough to name his son after him but we need better from him if he’s gonna remain a starter. CB: Corners generally perform at a high level by their third season, peak at age 27, drop a bit each year until 30, then drop off significantly. Few CBs in the NFL are given contracts beyond 32 yrs of age for a reason. The position depends more on speed, athleticism and quick twitch more than veteran wiles. G Williams (73) and K Clark (73) are 23, S Thomas V is 24 (60) and M Melton (51) is 22. All 4 are in their first or second season. Good things ahead for this group IMO. We also have injured E Jones who is 24. S: Finally safety. Safety is like a combo between CB and LB and is complex. It takes less athleticism and more brains/experience than CB, and more muscle and willingness to tackle. They peak around the same as LBs and last almost as long. The drop off happens at 30. Budda (76) is 28, Thompson (62) is 26, rookie Rabbit (84!) is 24, and Blount is 26. We have a decision to make with Budda, who is an upcoming FA. Thompson was having a down year before injury. Budda has a nice 76 PFF and seems to be playing like it’s a contract year. 2 of his last 3 years were 65 PFF’s. A lot of research here and it was good to see how young we are at so many position groups. All current NFL teams fall between 25-27 average team age, and we are at 26 right in the middle, but a few of our old timers like Beachum and Prater tilt our average and the starters are mostly peak or soon to peak age, often with 22-24 year olds being developed behind them. We need better interior linemen, a stud OLB, better ILBs, and an upgrade at guard, CB or WR2 would be nice. RT and Jonah Wiliams tbd. I love your post. I'm sure that took some time and effort. It all sounds about right. My only small criticism is what about kickers. I made a post about Matt Prater or Chad Ryland that touches on age. I would love to see what your research would come up with.  |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 19, 2024 19:53:06 GMT -7
OFFENSE: QB: QBs on average peak at 25 and then stay at that peak until 28. The drop off then begins, but drops slowly so that a QB1 who is successful in their late 20’s can often perform well into early to mid 30’s. We know some can play well to late 30’s but they are rare, pocket passing elite QB’s. Kyler Murray (82) is now 27. It’s a shame he lost part of his age 25 and 26 seasons to injury, but it’s reasonable to assume we are seeing Kyler near the top of his potential, though he may stay there a while. I’d compare him to Russell Wilson who is still playing fairly well (70’s PFFs the last few years and 90 4 yrs ago) at almost 36 yrs old. Suffice to say, if Murray continues at the level he’s played this year he could be our QB1 for many years, past 2030. Clayton Tune is already 25 1/2 and needs to show something soon if he wants to remain in the NFL. IMO We seem set at QB1 but in great need of a reliable backup. WR: WRs have one of the earliest peaks and longest maintenance of that peak. They peak at 27 but are within statistical blips of that level from age 24-30, within 1% of peak! A receiver’s biggest statistical jump is between ages 23 to 24. MHJ (79) is barely 22, Wilson (65) is 24, and Dortch (60) is 26. Rookie Weaver is actually 24 already, and our vets Jones and Pascal are 29. Starters look good but I wouldn’t mind an upgrade to Wilson/Dortch. I still have expectations for Wilson. RB: Don’t let your kid be a RB. They peak early at ages 22-25, specifically 23 to 24. After 25, yards per carry and TD’s per carry tend to drop each year. Few play well past 29, which is where the tire tread seems to wear out on the body. There are of course exceptions and we see several this season like Henry, but you should never put money on a RB over 30 if you’re playing the odds. Conner (83) is 29 and an upcoming free agent who is currently a stud for us. A tough decision looms. It’s important to remember he’s had only one 1,000 yard season…but that was last year. He may be one of those RBs who can keep it up for 2-4 more years? He is a locker room and on field motivator as well. Benson is (63 and rising) is 22 and IMO has a great future ahead. He is now matching Conner’s yards per carry at 4.4, he just isn’t getting the TD opportunities yet. Demercado (75) is 25. TE: TE’s peak 25-27 but 23-30 is generally in the same range, and the decline is not too bad after 30. Talent seems to really jump in their sophomore year and then they peak and maintain. Trey (82) is 24, Higgins (65) is 24, and Tip Reiman (blocking beast) is 23. We are in great shape here! Oline: Olinemen are interesting as they peak later and maintain longer. They need experience and old man strength. Talent rises slowly until 26-28 but doesn’t really start to drop until 32-34. After 34 it can go quite rapidly, mainly due to knees and other injuries stacking up. Paris (80) is 23, and we are so set at LT! Jonah Williams is 27, Froholdt (74) is 28, Brown (70) is 28, and Hernandez (69) is 29. Good ages for vet Olinemen. Old Beachum is 35. Our young development projects are Gaines at 25, Adams at 24, and Jones at 24 and Colon is 26. Not bad. DEFENSE Dline: Dlinemen are similar to Olinemen in that they improve until 26-28 and then if they make it that far maintain good play into their 30’s. Dlinemen who don’t perform by 25 are often out of the NFL. If they do they are rarely let go. I always say God doesn’t make a lot of athletic 300 lb men so you need to get them when you can (draft). Like many positions, we are young on the Dline. DRob is 23, Stills (54) is 24, N Jones (57) is 26, Lopez (53) is 27, Tonga (59) is 28, and Collier (45) is 29. Look at that awful level of PFF play! We need upgrades, and hopefully DRob is a stud. Worse, our two big and fairly expensive Dline additions Jones (30) and Nichols (40) are both 28 on IR and are on contracts difficult to get out of next year. If there is any group we need to upgrade, it’s Dline!!! OLB/ILB: I’m grouping these together as both peak between 25-28 and maintain until around 31, then decline. Our OLB’s Ojulari is only 22, Browning (64), Luketa (71), Dimukeje and Collins (70) are 25, rookie Thomas is 24. Old man Gardeck (72) is 30 and an upcoming FA. Fairly young group but we could really use one OLB stud. Maybe that will be Ojulari? At ILB we have Wilson (67) at 26, K White (52) at 28, Barnes (50) at 26, and Pappoe (63) at 24. I strongly feel we need to upgrade this group as well. I know Rallis loves Kyzir enough to name his son after him but we need better from him if he’s gonna remain a starter. CB: Corners generally perform at a high level by their third season, peak at age 27, drop a bit each year until 30, then drop off significantly. Few CBs in the NFL are given contracts beyond 32 yrs of age for a reason. The position depends more on speed, athleticism and quick twitch more than veteran wiles. G Williams (73) and K Clark (73) are 23, S Thomas V is 24 (60) and M Melton (51) is 22. All 4 are in their first or second season. Good things ahead for this group IMO. We also have injured E Jones who is 24. S: Finally safety. Safety is like a combo between CB and LB and is complex. It takes less athleticism and more brains/experience than CB, and more muscle and willingness to tackle. They peak around the same as LBs and last almost as long. The drop off happens at 30. Budda (76) is 28, Thompson (62) is 26, rookie Rabbit (84!) is 24, and Blount is 26. We have a decision to make with Budda, who is an upcoming FA. Thompson was having a down year before injury. Budda has a nice 76 PFF and seems to be playing like it’s a contract year. 2 of his last 3 years were 65 PFF’s. A lot of research here and it was good to see how young we are at so many position groups. All current NFL teams fall between 25-27 average team age, and we are at 26 right in the middle, but a few of our old timers like Beachum and Prater tilt our average and the starters are mostly peak or soon to peak age, often with 22-24 year olds being developed behind them. We need better interior linemen, a stud OLB, better ILBs, and an upgrade at guard, CB or WR2 would be nice. RT and Jonah Wiliams tbd. I love your post. I'm sure that took some time and effort. It all sounds about right. My only small criticism is what about kickers. I made a post about Matt Prater or Chad Ryland that touches on age. I would love to see what your research would come up with. Ryland has convinced me he should be our kicker of the future. I love Prater, but it’s time to enjoy some retirement. Kickers rarely stand out enough to be drafted at all, much less in the 4th round as Chad was. 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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 20, 2024 7:55:54 GMT -7
Now we are getting in the weeds. Talking about kickers.  If we are going to talk about kickers…long snapper is the foundation of both punting and FGs. You never want a rookie long snapper. A FG long snap is 7-8 yards in length. Speed and accuracy set the kicker up for success. The Cards long snapper in one of the old vets…having a replacement in the works is always a must. Why…proper NFL long snapping can not be accomplished quickly. The basics for minimum ability are accomplished by stretching, developing explosive movements (hang cleans, poer cleans and push press) also grip exercises. These have to be installed in a regiment to build the physical abilities to have a consistent fast snap. Currently the time for long snapping is .65-.75 seconds….as players speed on those defending kicks the edge free rushers are continually flying in front of kicks. Most teams want a long snapper with years of experience….the cost to a team having to start a long snapper in training is too high. The Cards recently had a rookie long snapper on the roster pre-season who was great in college…I am sure even though he isn’t on the team they find ways to keep developing players like this so they can roll them on the roster in the future. With a year or two remaining in the career of the current long snapper…this is a plan that needs a seamless transition in the future. |
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Post by End Zone on Nov 20, 2024 10:27:18 GMT -7
Jumping ahead a week, the Vikings signed K Romo when their regular kicker Reichard went on IR. Like K Ryland, the Vikings have depended on Romo for at least one win in the last two weeks, beating player poor JAX, 12-7!
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 20, 2024 10:31:49 GMT -7
Now we are getting in the weeds. Talking about kickers. If we are going to talk about kickers…long snapper is the foundation of both punting and FGs. You never want a rookie long snapper. A FG long snap is 7-8 yards in length. Speed and accuracy set the kicker up for success. The Cards long snapper in one of the old vets…having a replacement in the works is always a must. Why…proper NFL long snapping can not be accomplished quickly. The basics for minimum ability are accomplished by stretching, developing explosive movements (hang cleans, poer cleans and push press) also grip exercises. These have to be installed in a regiment to build the physical abilities to have a consistent fast snap. Currently the time for long snapping is .65-.75 seconds….as players speed on those defending kicks the edge free rushers are continually flying in front of kicks. Most teams want a long snapper with years of experience….the cost to a team having to start a long snapper in training is too high. The Cards recently had a rookie long snapper on the roster pre-season who was great in college…I am sure even though he isn’t on the team they find ways to keep developing players like this so they can roll them on the roster in the future. With a year or two remaining in the career of the current long snapper…this is a plan that needs a seamless transition in the future. All that time and effort I put in and we are talking long snappers?! 🤣 |
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 20, 2024 10:51:50 GMT -7
Nick Folk and Matt Prater are the two oldest kickers in the NFL at 40 yrs old. Both have been excellent though Prater has only been healthy for 4 games. The next oldest are 37, Gano and Zeurlein. Those two have only played 3 and 8 games due to injuries and are 75% and 60% in field goal attempts. They are done. Next are Tucker and Hopkins at 35 and 34, and they have only hit 73% and 79% of field goals. Next is McManus and he has only been healthy for 4 games.
It’s time to go with youth at kicker, and Ryland looks like a good one. Most kickers go undrafted and he was one of few who have ever been drafted in the fourth round or higher. He got his rookie nerves settled failing in New England and was reborn like a Phoenix in the desert.
Not insignificant is Matt Prater’s salary is $4.75 million with $3.5 million potential cap savings, while Ryland makes only $610,000.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 20, 2024 11:01:19 GMT -7
Nick Folk and Matt Prater are the two oldest kickers in the NFL at 40 yrs old. Both have been excellent though Prater has only been healthy for 4 games. The next oldest are 37, Gano and Zeurlein. Those two have only played 3 and 8 games due to injuries and are 75% and 60% in field goal attempts. They are done. Next are Tucker and Hopkins at 35 and 34, and they have only hit 73% and 79% of field goals. Next is McManus and he has only been healthy for 4 games. It’s time to go with youth at kicker, and Ryland looks like a good one. Most kickers go undrafted and he was one of few who have ever been drafted in the fourth round or higher. He got his rookie nerves settled failing in New England and was reborn like a Phoenix in the desert. Not insignificant is Matt Prater’s salary is $4.75 million with $3.5 million potential cap savings, while Ryland makes only $610,000. I heard that BAL is freaking out about Turner's sudden lead (dead) foot syndrome. He's missed a bunch of kicks and cost the Ravens last weekend vs. the Steelers. In a super-tight AFC race, BAL won't put up with a lousy Kicker for long. |
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Post by devongent on Nov 21, 2024 2:16:06 GMT -7
We need better interior linemen, a stud OLB, better ILBs, and an upgrade at guard, CB or WR2 would be nice. RT and Jonah Wiliams tbd. Good research DH and your outcome seem fair. A few comments/ questions- 1) In your opening sentence for Quarterback you concluded "IMO We seem set at QB1 but in great need of a reliable backup". The situation will be greatly determined by the development of Tune and we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and in training. - I think we should add QB to the bucket-list of 'wants' until proven otherwise. 2) WR: What type of player should we be after. A perimeter guy, or a slot option to replace Greg Dortch? 3) CB: Same question really, do we best require a tall rangy outside specialist, or a player who is more multifunctional? 4) RT: I agree, Jonah Williams has got half a season to demonstrate he is the man for the job. If he does well, then I am satisfied to leave the Tackle position for now, but if he struggles then it would bump up to the top of my 'needs list'. - Should he perform 'good but not great', then there is always the possibility he could move across to Guard in 2025, which would fill that particular need spot. - A lot of football still to played this season and I think the 'wait and see' approach is the best one regards the O-Line requirement. 5) OLB: If the FO feel we are still lacking following the return of Ojulari, and then Browning, Luketa, Thomas, Dimukeje, then a first round pick at this position is on the cards. What is the plan with Zaven Collins if we recruited a top specialist rusher? Thoughts from anyone would be welcomed... |
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Post by End Zone on Nov 21, 2024 4:55:13 GMT -7
We need better interior linemen, a stud OLB, better ILBs, and an upgrade at guard, CB or WR2 would be nice. RT and Jonah Wiliams tbd. Good research DH and your outcome seem fair. A few comments/ questions- 1) In your opening sentence for Quarterback you concluded "IMO We seem set at QB1 but in great need of a reliable backup". The situation will be greatly determined by the development of Tune and we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and in training. - I think we should add QB to the bucket-list of 'wants' until proven otherwise. 2) WR: What type of player should we be after. A perimeter guy, or a slot option to replace Greg Dortch? 3) CB: Same question really, do we best require a tall rangy outside specialist, or a player who is more multifunctional? 4) RT: I agree, Jonah Williams has got half a season to demonstrate he is the man for the job. If he does well, then I am satisfied to leave the Tackle position for now, but if he struggles then it would bump up to the top of my 'needs list'. - Should he perform 'good but not great', then there is always the possibility he could move across to Guard in 2025, which would fill that particular need spot. - A lot of football still to played this season and I think the 'wait and see' approach is the best one regards the O-Line requirement. 5) OLB: If the FO feel we are still lacking following the return of Ojulari, and then Browning, Luketa, Thomas, Dimukeje, then a first round pick at this position is on the cards. What is the plan with Zaven Collins if we recruited a top specialist rusher? Thoughts from anyone would be welcomed... QB Dan Jones will be cut when the NYG season ends. I heard on Wednesday that he's now the #4 QB on the team's depth chart, ranked lower than a QB who has never took a snap in a RS game. Jones will never be a starter again. He might be a .500 b/u QB in a system that has the ability to train-up QBs. SF and GB come to mind first as landing spots. ARZ is a maybe landing spot for Jones in 2025, but only on PS. Jones would be #3 on the depth chart. I can't think of another Free Agent starter QB in the NFL that will be available in 2025. A few teams with losing records and no chance to make the playoffs have resorted to testing their b/u's now. Perhaps one of those b/u's can be snatched next spring. Back to QB Tune, I think he's going though QB development school now. I like how JG and DP are bringing him in at key spots in RS games, mostly the 4th qtr, to increase his confidence and give him game day experiences. I would like to see Tune play an entire 4th qtr with the starters and see how Tune does under maximum pressure. But only if the Cardinals have a huge lead and a Win is assured. On the LB topic, let's see how Robinson does in Games 11-17. I am optimistic that his performance as DE will raise the LB performances across the board. I like Collins as ILB. His athleticism makes him ideal for the job. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Nov 21, 2024 8:42:17 GMT -7
Good research DH and your outcome seem fair. A few comments/ questions- 1) In your opening sentence for Quarterback you concluded "IMO We seem set at QB1 but in great need of a reliable backup". The situation will be greatly determined by the development of Tune and we don't know what's going on behind the scenes and in training. - I think we should add QB to the bucket-list of 'wants' until proven otherwise. 2) WR: What type of player should we be after. A perimeter guy, or a slot option to replace Greg Dortch? 3) CB: Same question really, do we best require a tall rangy outside specialist, or a player who is more multifunctional? 4) RT: I agree, Jonah Williams has got half a season to demonstrate he is the man for the job. If he does well, then I am satisfied to leave the Tackle position for now, but if he struggles then it would bump up to the top of my 'needs list'. - Should he perform 'good but not great', then there is always the possibility he could move across to Guard in 2025, which would fill that particular need spot. - A lot of football still to played this season and I think the 'wait and see' approach is the best one regards the O-Line requirement. 5) OLB: If the FO feel we are still lacking following the return of Ojulari, and then Browning, Luketa, Thomas, Dimukeje, then a first round pick at this position is on the cards. What is the plan with Zaven Collins if we recruited a top specialist rusher? Thoughts from anyone would be welcomed... QB Dan Jones will be cut when the NYG season ends. I heard on Wednesday that he's now the #4 QB on the team's depth chart, ranked lower than a QB who has never took a snap in a RS game. Jones will never be a starter again. He might be a .500 b/u QB in a system that has the ability to train-up QBs. SF and GB come to mind first as landing spots. ARZ is a maybe landing spot for Jones in 2025, but only on PS. Jones would be #3 on the depth chart. I can't think of another Free Agent starter QB in the NFL that will be available in 2025. A few teams with losing records and no chance to make the playoffs have resorted to testing their b/u's now. Perhaps one of those b/u's can be snatched next spring. Back to QB Tune, I think he's going though QB development school now. I like how JG and DP are bringing him in at key spots in RS games, mostly the 4th qtr, to increase his confidence and give him game day experiences. I would like to see Tune play an entire 4th qtr with the starters and see how Tune does under maximum pressure. But only if the Cardinals have a huge lead and a Win is assured. On the LB topic, let's see how Robinson does in Games 11-17. I am optimistic that his performance as DE will raise the LB performances across the board. I like Collins as ILB. His athleticism makes him ideal for the job. Thanks for the Daniel Jones information...Giants seem to create a 800 LB gorilla in the QB room. The DRob comment is very true...when you strengthen the DL you assist the off-ball LBs. Collins is a better OLB than he was a ILB...he is a bully and holds his position in the run game...JG has a ton of respect for Collins...from a defensive genius it speaks volumes. Collins although not a big stat guy solidifies his edge at OLB and in some ways that is better for the DC since he knows what he gets with Collins and he doesn't need help...he is sound at his position...he does what the greats would ask continually...do your job...Collins does his job. Lopez, Collier, Tonga and N Jones as well as Stills and Stille are not PFF darlings...yet they allow the edges and off ball LBs to do their job by controlling the middle of the line. They have terrible rankings and allow the LBs and Budda to make plays...I do not put much value on IBL ratings...as long as they are sound and demand attention of the OL they are doing their job. The constant complaints of lack of talent many times discount what can be done when a unit does their job as individuals as well as play as one unit. The DL gets pushed around at times...yet they find the grit to limit TDs and it is impressive. One thing the Cards are doing is giving up yards, but limiting chunk plays. The offense is leading in chunk plays...both in run plays and in pass plays. The NFL has a way of teams beating themselves...limiting chunk plays gives opponents the opportunity to beat themselves as the Cards continue to play sound and have chunk plays of their own. |
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If we are going to talk about kickers…long snapper is the foundation of both punting and FGs. You never want a rookie long snapper. A FG long snap is 7-8 yards in length. Speed and accuracy set the kicker up for success. The Cards long snapper in one of the old vets…having a replacement in the works is always a must. Why…proper NFL long snapping can not be accomplished quickly. The basics for minimum ability are accomplished by stretching, developing explosive movements (hang cleans, poer cleans and push press) also grip exercises. These have to be installed in a regiment to build the physical abilities to have a consistent fast snap. Currently the time for long snapping is .65-.75 seconds….as players speed on those defending kicks the edge free rushers are continually flying in front of kicks.
