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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 14, 2024 18:33:05 GMT -7
At this juncture in the season. Our division is weaker than usual so I don't trust our record - yet. What I want to know is this. If the playoffs started tomorrow, do you think we'd beat the Commanders? Would the Chiefs embarass us? How many of you think we'd actually win a playoff game? I feel like we could win the first game if we got the 'right' opponent. I'm not yet confident that we'd be able to go to say, East Coast, in the winter, and win a bad weather game.
I do think that if we managed to play in domes we might could win not one, but maybe two games, if our defense keeps playing above its pay grade.
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Post by respecttheprocess on Nov 14, 2024 19:32:57 GMT -7
At this juncture in the season. Our division is weaker than usual so I don't trust our record - yet. What I want to know is this. If the playoffs started tomorrow, do you think we'd beat the Commanders? Would the Chiefs embarass us? How many of you think we'd actually win a playoff game? I feel like we could win the first game if we got the 'right' opponent. I'm not yet confident that we'd be able to go to say, East Coast, in the winter, and win a bad weather game. I do think that if we managed to play in domes we might could win not one, but maybe two games, if our defense keeps playing above its pay grade. Well…let me try and answer your question this way…in (10) games…we have won (6) and lost (2) by only (1) score…Bills (on the road 34-28) and Detroit (at home 20-13). Both of those teams are Super Bowl contenders…and those (2) loses make our 6-4 record look stronger than it does on paper. Now…the outliers are the blow-out loses to both the Commanders and the Packers…who…in all likelihood will be playoff bound teams in the NFC. However…I’d take my chances…being a Division Winner and playing any potential Wild-Card team at home in either the Wild Card Round or Divisional Round. That’s our best chance of winning a playoff game this year IMO. After that…it’s a crap shoot depending on whether we get a 2nd home game or if we travel. In the NFL…a strong run game and a good defense travels well in the playoffs…right now…our run game has been lights out and our defense has played better…however…against weaker offensive teams. Coming out of the bye…we need to see how we respond against Seattle and Minnesota on the road…to gauge if this team is only going to be a one trick pony come playoff time. But…hell…that's pretty fun to even think about isn't? I’m sure we’d all take a playoff appearance and a playoff win this year…but once you’re in the dance…you never know.
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 14, 2024 20:51:58 GMT -7
We probably won’t get to or win the Super Bowl, and therefore we should tank the rest of the season to get the best DL or OLB in the draft 🤣
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 14, 2024 20:56:32 GMT -7
My honest answer, as I watch this relatively low scoring Eagles- Commanders game, is that I know we could have beat the Bills and the Lions, who are IMO two of the top four teams. The Commanders have struggled to put up 10 points and Daniels just threw a bad INT with 4 min left, and it appears Kliff Kingsbury’s offense and rookie QB may once again be struggling in the second half of a season. Kansas City seems incredibly lucky to be undefeated. I don’t think we are by any means better than any of the four teams I mentioned, but I think if we keep playing like we have been and build on that with additions of Jonah Williams and DRob, we certainly have a fair shot at anyone.
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Post by supercard on Nov 15, 2024 0:20:01 GMT -7
Anybody remember when we went to Super Bowl? All the pundits called the team the worst playoff team in history. Came within an eyelash of being champs. Don’t know how far we go, but has feeling of team of destiny. Know they are not afraid to play anybody.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 15, 2024 3:57:33 GMT -7
Can I see the AZ Cardinals play at least 5 games with DROB, Jonah Williams and Baron Browning getting 40+ snaps ? .... then I can better judge where the Cardinals are at. Additionally I would like to note that ever since Kurt Warner went on air that he thought the AZ passing offense's timing was not right with receivers because KM1 was making his drop in the pocket and reads too fast. WELL .. magically the Cards coaching staff that same week noticed the same thing (were they listening ?) and since then the offense has looked far better in the passing game.
DH is correct that the Cards even without any of the 3 players I list above (well Jonah Williams played one quarter) should or could have easily beat the Bills on the road if not for a bogus penalty of roughing the passer against Zaven or a no call pass interference at end of game OR even the fact that Kyler missed a wide open MHJ due to going thru his reads too fast (which has been corrected). Similar issue vs. the Lions in which the refs took away a pick 6 at end of the first half by mistakenly blowing the whistle 2.5 seconds into the play (right before the hit on Goff) but citing they blew the play dead for the 2 minute warning at 2:00:6.
I remind Cardinal fans that the Front Office/Coaching Staff are trying to model themselves to the Lions and we must remember the following about the Lions under Dan Campbell. 2021 - 3-13-1 (Drafted Sewell at LT to begin rebuild - Cards draft PJJ to be future LT and begin their rebuild). 2022 - began year at 1-6 then went 8-2 to finish 9-8. Cardinals were 2-4 before winning FOUR Straight and sitting 6-4 at the bye week. 2023 - Won 12 games (12-5) 2024 - Super Bowl ?
Cards are only thru about 35% of the journey of the Lions turnaround and so this off-season is the one with the 2nd most cap space in the NFL (something the Lions did NOT have entering 2023).
At home for a playoff game and DROB/J. Williams/Browning are significant contributors, I think the Cards could play well vs. any of the teams but I am rooting for the real possibility of the Vikings coming to SFS the first week of the playoffs and if Darnold is the recent "old version" of too many grievous mistakes, then I like our chances. I also agree with DH about the Commanders who are now gong thru the entire K2 "experience" of defenses figuring out his offensive plays under certain formations and his offense being much more predictable in 2nd half of seasons. So a rematch vs. K2 and the Commanders also doesn't worry me especially with the additions of DROB & Browning (along with development of X. Thomas) to put pressure on Daniels.
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Post by End Zone on Nov 15, 2024 4:13:07 GMT -7
The Cardinals' record is 6-4 at the Bye week on November 15th. That record of achievement is not a tall stump to stand on. Anyway, I don't fear any of the 31 other teams today, including KC, PHI, DET, PIT, and SF. The Cardinals' offense runs the ball as well as any team and can score points at will inside the Red Zone. Murray's passing is improving. The Cardinals' defense is becoming stingy. The CBs and LBs are working together as a solid unit. Now, if the DL could only penetrate and hold the edges! Imagine also if the defense could stack three consecutive no-TD games in the playoffs. Has that even been done in the modern era? I doubt it....I have to check the '85 Bears record. For the Cardinals, would stacking three no-TD games again, but next time in the 2024 playoffs, be enough to win the Lombardy Trophy?
The next seven Cardinals games will tell the story. If the team rips off seven wins, then there is nothing to worry about. Right now, I think the Cardinals' odds of making the playoffs are above 50%. The Commanders lost to the Eagles at TNF. WAS now has as many losses as the Cardinals, thus improving the Cardinals' playoff odds by single digits.
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Post by CardsFanQC on Nov 15, 2024 5:39:47 GMT -7
The Cardinals' record is 6-4 at the Bye week on November 15th. That record of achievement is not a tall stump to stand on. Anyway, I don't fear any of the 31 other teams today, including KC, PHI, DET, PIT, and SF. The Cardinals' offense runs the ball as well as any team and can score points at will inside the Red Zone. Murray's passing is improving. The Cardinals' defense is becoming stingy. The CBs and LBs are working together as a solid unit. Now, if the DL could only penetrate and hold the edges! Imagine also if the defense could stack three consecutive no-TD games in the playoffs. Has that even been done in the modern era? I doubt it....I have to check the '85 Bears record. For the Cardinals, would stacking three no-TD games again, but next time in the 2024 playoffs, be enough to win the Lombardy Trophy? The next seven Cardinals games will tell the story. If the team rips off seven wins, then there is nothing to worry about. Right now, I think the Cardinals' odds of making the playoffs are above 50%. The Commanders lost to the Eagles at TNF. WAS now has as many losses as the Cardinals, thus improving the Cardinals' playoff odds by single digits. It should be noted that the 2 teams having the easiest strength of schedule in the entire NFL are .... the Commanders and Eagles !!!! The Commanders miracle victory over the Bears -- I sure hope it isn't the difference between the Cards overtaking the Commanders to get in the playoffs.
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Post by beaverhuntr on Nov 15, 2024 6:49:34 GMT -7
Anybody remember when we went to Super Bowl? All the pundits called the team the worst playoff team in history. Came within an eyelash of being champs. Don’t know how far we go, but has feeling of team of destiny. Know they are not afraid to play anybody. God Bless Larry Fitz....
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Post by birdgangaz on Nov 15, 2024 7:39:47 GMT -7
Honestly we are in that super broad, vague range called "good enough". We could beat anyone or we could fall on our face any given Sunday. It may sound funny but I am extremely happy to be here.
I'll just watch the rest of the season on the edge of my seat feeling like anything could happen. We have definitely gotten better and would do a lot better against the Commanders than last time.
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Post by CardCore on Nov 15, 2024 7:48:14 GMT -7
The team is beyond the expectations of many that expected to see maybe 7 or 8 Ws in 2024. The upcoming games against the Vikings and 9ers will be telling, but that is down the road. If nothing else, the team has garnered the respect of the majority of the NFL. Anybody that had the Cards marked on the schedule as a "W" has discreetly erased the W and penciled in a ? at the least.
My guesstimate of the Cards season was that 8 wins was the FLOOR. That was what I said to "SomeCardsFan" (where is that guy anyway?) when we were discussing the subject in a thread.
For now? Bill Parcells said, "You ARE what your record SAYS you are". The record says we're a 6-4 team with an ongoing 4 game win streak.
GO CARDINALS!!
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Post by flash on Nov 15, 2024 8:16:14 GMT -7
At this juncture in the season. Our division is weaker than usual so I don't trust our record - yet. What I want to know is this. If the playoffs started tomorrow, do you think we'd beat the Commanders? Would the Chiefs embarass us? How many of you think we'd actually win a playoff game? I feel like we could win the first game if we got the 'right' opponent. I'm not yet confident that we'd be able to go to say, East Coast, in the winter, and win a bad weather game. I do think that if we managed to play in domes we might could win not one, but maybe two games, if our defense keeps playing above its pay grade. Well…let me try and answer your question this way…in (10) games…we have won (6) and lost (2) by only (1) score…Bills (on the road 34-28) and Detroit (at home 20-13). Both of those teams are Super Bowl contenders…and those (2) loses make our 6-4 record look stronger than it does on paper. Now…the outliers are the blow-out loses to both the Commanders and the Packers…who…in all likelihood will be playoff bound teams in the NFC. However…I’d take my chances…being a Division Winner and playing any potential Wild-Card team at home in either the Wild Card Round or Divisional Round. That’s our best chance of winning a playoff game this year IMO. After that…it’s a crap shoot depending on whether we get a 2nd home game or if we travel. In the NFL…a strong run game and a good defense travels well in the playoffs…right now…our run game has been lights out and our defense has played better…however…against weaker offensive teams. Coming out of the bye…we need to see how we respond against Seattle and Minnesota on the road…to gauge if this team is only going to be a one trick pony come playoff time. But…hell…that's pretty fun to even think about isn't? I’m sure we’d all take a playoff appearance and a playoff win this year…but once you’re in the dance…you never know. I totally agree on everything you said...I was not expecting us to make the playoffs this season. To be honest, I really do not know what happened to us in the Commanders and Packers game...we are too good to have been beat down like that...I am going to have to go back and watch those games on my NFL+
Aside from those two games, we have played hard...
Look at who the 49er's, Rams and Seahawks still have left to play against:
49er's Seahawks Packers Bills Bears Rams Dolphins Lions Cardinals
Rams Patriots Eagles Saints Bills 49er's Jets Cardinals Seahawks
Seahawks 49er's Cardinals Jets Cardinals Packers Vikings Bears Rams
Cardinals Seahawks Vikings Seahawks Patriots Panthers Rams 49er's
From what I see above, we have a better chance to win more games the rest of the season than any of our Division Opponents....
Put a win/loss next to each game above and I think you will see we can win the Division...I might do that later this evening...
GREAT POST respecttheprocess!!!!!
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Post by Dry Heat on Nov 15, 2024 10:01:11 GMT -7
Well…let me try and answer your question this way…in (10) games…we have won (6) and lost (2) by only (1) score…Bills (on the road 34-28) and Detroit (at home 20-13). Both of those teams are Super Bowl contenders…and those (2) loses make our 6-4 record look stronger than it does on paper. Now…the outliers are the blow-out loses to both the Commanders and the Packers…who…in all likelihood will be playoff bound teams in the NFC. However…I’d take my chances…being a Division Winner and playing any potential Wild-Card team at home in either the Wild Card Round or Divisional Round. That’s our best chance of winning a playoff game this year IMO. After that…it’s a crap shoot depending on whether we get a 2nd home game or if we travel. In the NFL…a strong run game and a good defense travels well in the playoffs…right now…our run game has been lights out and our defense has played better…however…against weaker offensive teams. Coming out of the bye…we need to see how we respond against Seattle and Minnesota on the road…to gauge if this team is only going to be a one trick pony come playoff time. But…hell…that's pretty fun to even think about isn't? I’m sure we’d all take a playoff appearance and a playoff win this year…but once you’re in the dance…you never know. I totally agree on everything you said...I was not expecting us to make the playoffs this season. To be honest, I really do not know what happened to us in the Commanders and Packers game...we are too good to have been beat down like that...I am going to have to go back and watch those games on my NFL+
Aside from those two games, we have played hard...
Look at who the 49er's, Rams and Seahawks still have left to play against:
49er's Seahawks Packers Bills Bears Rams Dolphins Lions Cardinals
Rams Patriots Eagles Saints Bills 49er's Jets Cardinals Seahawks
Seahawks 49er's Cardinals Jets Cardinals Packers Vikings Bears Rams
Cardinals Seahawks Vikings Seahawks Patriots Panthers Rams 49er's
From what I see above, we have a better chance to win more games the rest of the season than any of our Division Opponents....
Put a win/loss next to each game above and I think you will see we can win the Division...I might do that later this evening...
GREAT POST respecttheprocess!!!!!
I can save you some time and tell you what went wrong in the Commanders and Green Bay games. 1) We got behind by 2 scores and were forced into a predictable passing offense and 2) our current bend but don’t break defense was still a bend and then break defense. The Commanders blowout we started up 7-0, but then immediately allowed a TD, then punted, and then another TD. We were down 7 at 7-14 and going back and forth the rest of the half, but ended the half turning the ball over on downs after a failed 4th down attempt, and gave up a FG to go into halftime down 7-17. Then they got the ball first, scored a TD putting us 3 scores down, and it was all over. In Green Bay we went down 0-7 in the first, then quickly 0-14 in the early second. Down two scores, we again became one dimensional. Conner had 7 rushes in that game. The scoring deficit grew all game until we were desperate at the end, and suffered three straight fumbles on our last three possessions of the 3rd and 4th quarters. Green Bay had a total 38 rushing attempts against us in that game! The Rams game is an example of the reverse situation. That was the MHJ 2 TDs in the first quarter game. We forced the Rams to be one dimensional right out of the gate. After that, we controlled the game and the clock with an incredible 40 rushing attempts to their 20. We win when we force the opponent to be predictable by going up 2+ scores, and then switch to pounding them with clock killing runs. And vice versa. It’s a tried and true winning formula in the NFL. If we want to see this success continue, the keys are scoring early and often for the offense while the defense holds in the red zone early, forcing our opponent to be one dimensional passing offenses, where our limited defensive roster can better know what’s coming.
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Post by CardSunsCard on Nov 15, 2024 11:29:01 GMT -7
We probably won’t get to or win the Super Bowl, and therefore we should tank the rest of the season to get the best DL or OLB in the draft 🤣 Ha ha. Touche. You know that when I've suggested tanking I suggested optimal tank jobs, early on, not half-axx mid season tankjobs. But had we tanked several years ago when I did suggest it, we'd already be in the Super Bowl Instead we suffered through how many disappointments, plus a Kyler injury, plus awful cap situation which took years to clean up. I certainly didn't suggest it last two years. Actually, wasn't my prediction of our record last year, pretty close? And this year's as well? I need to go back and look at my pre-season prediction this year because I thought I mentioned sneaking into playoffs as a wildcard. Besides, we both know the reason we are winning this year is my superstition. Remember me saying I was going to try NOT watching any of the games live? Someone else on the board said it brought us luck so I've been doing it this year to. And since we've kept winning, I've continued not watching until it's over. The things I sacrifice for the RedBirds. I wish I could recall which other board member was watching all the games tape delayed like me.
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Post by flash on Nov 15, 2024 11:40:52 GMT -7
I totally agree on everything you said...I was not expecting us to make the playoffs this season. To be honest, I really do not know what happened to us in the Commanders and Packers game...we are too good to have been beat down like that...I am going to have to go back and watch those games on my NFL+
Aside from those two games, we have played hard...
Look at who the 49er's, Rams and Seahawks still have left to play against:
49er's Seahawks Packers Bills Bears Rams Dolphins Lions Cardinals
Rams Patriots Eagles Saints Bills 49er's Jets Cardinals Seahawks
Seahawks 49er's Cardinals Jets Cardinals Packers Vikings Bears Rams
Cardinals Seahawks Vikings Seahawks Patriots Panthers Rams 49er's
From what I see above, we have a better chance to win more games the rest of the season than any of our Division Opponents....
Put a win/loss next to each game above and I think you will see we can win the Division...I might do that later this evening...
GREAT POST respecttheprocess!!!!!
I can save you some time and tell you what went wrong in the Commanders and Green Bay games. 1) We got behind by 2 scores and were forced into a predictable passing offense and 2) our current bend but don’t break defense was still a bend and then break defense. The Commanders blowout we started up 7-0, but then immediately allowed a TD, then punted, and then another TD. We were down 7 at 7-14 and going back and forth the rest of the half, but ended the half turning the ball over on downs after a failed 4th down attempt, and gave up a FG to go into halftime down 7-17. Then they got the ball first, scored a TD putting us 3 scores down, and it was all over. In Green Bay we went down 0-7 in the first, then quickly 0-14 in the early second. Down two scores, we again became one dimensional. Conner had 7 rushes in that game. The scoring deficit grew all game until we were desperate at the end, and suffered three straight fumbles on our last three possessions of the 3rd and 4th quarters. Green Bay had a total 38 rushing attempts against us in that game! The Rams game is an example of the reverse situation. That was the MHJ 2 TDs in the first quarter game. We forced the Rams to be one dimensional right out of the gate. After that, we controlled the game and the clock with an incredible 40 rushing attempts to their 20. We win when we force the opponent to be predictable by going up 2+ scores, and then switch to pounding them with clock killing runs. And vice versa. It’s a tried and true winning formula in the NFL. If we want to see this success continue, the keys are scoring early and often for the offense while the defense holds in the red zone early, forcing our opponent to be one dimensional passing offenses, where our limited defensive roster can better know what’s coming. Thanks for that info D.H. You completely broke down our breakdowns....
I wonder how we would do against either team now?
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