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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 24, 2024 11:51:18 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 24, 2024 12:24:46 GMT -7
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 24, 2024 17:20:38 GMT -7
The YouTube link will work despite lack of preview within post.
Some solid criticism for QB, WRs,and scheme. He does say that there is meat on the bone...and they can get better.
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Pendy
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Post by Pendy on Oct 24, 2024 17:46:05 GMT -7
good insight from a pretty good QB...thanks for sharing...
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Post by End Zone on Oct 25, 2024 2:52:33 GMT -7
Kurt Warner provides analyses and explanations of QB and WR executions missed on 1st downs and long yardage gains. Bad route running. The WR did not know the play. Bad QB throws. The QB did not allow time for a route to develop. The play design looks fine. The players just are not doing their jobs. Harrison needs coaching. He does some things that are contributing to errors on the field. Clean up the errors, and he will do fine as a WR. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 25, 2024 4:05:49 GMT -7
Kurt Warner provides analyses and explanations of QB and WR executions missed on 1st downs and long yardage gains. Bad route running. The WR did not know the play. Bad QB throws. The QB did not allow time for a route to develop. The play design looks fine. The players just are not doing their jobs. Harrison needs coaching. He does some things that are contributing to errors on the field. Clean up the errors, and he will do fine as a WR. Gambo (who does have sources inside the building) did say the other day the coaches film showed Kyler looking in the direction of the primary but going off him just before the WR breaks and gets some separation. Remember Gambo at beginning of week said some Charger players indicated they knew before the snap where the ball was going. I surmised that Petzing's lack of awareness to cover his mouth with the play sheet is allowing teams to jump routes or shade coverages to where the ball is intended to go. Regardless -- this needs to be fixed and the players/coaches don't have until the bye week to figure it out as the Cards must go 2-1 or 3-0 BEFORE the bye to have a chance to make noise in the NFC West. |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 25, 2024 5:11:35 GMT -7
Kurt Warner provides analyses and explanations of QB and WR executions missed on 1st downs and long yardage gains. Bad route running. The WR did not know the play. Bad QB throws. The QB did not allow time for a route to develop. The play design looks fine. The players just are not doing their jobs. Harrison needs coaching. He does some things that are contributing to errors on the field. Clean up the errors, and he will do fine as a WR. Gambo (who does have sources inside the building) did say the other day the coaches film showed Kyler looking in the direction of the primary but going off him just before the WR breaks and gets some separation. Remember Gambo at beginning of week said some Charger players indicated they knew before the snap where the ball was going. I surmised that Petzing's lack of awareness to cover his mouth with the play sheet is allowing teams to jump routes or shade coverages to where the ball is intended to go. Regardless -- this needs to be fixed and the players/coaches don't have until the bye week to figure it out as the Cards must go 2-1 or 3-0 BEFORE the bye to have a chance to make noise in the NFC West. Lest we also not forget that the Chargers brought their #1 Defense into SFS at MNF. The Chargers front 4 pressured Murray all game. The S, LBs and Corners were disciplined and fast, and covered almost all open spaces. Only one rookie LB made a major cover angle gaff, costing a long TD run by Murray. Otherwise, the Chargers defense was a clinic in how to contain an offense. The LBs and DBs used hand signals the second a Cardinals WR broke a route to indicate that they had the WR covered. Dang if they didn't cover WRs on most routes. That LAC group is a very well coached and trained bunch. I understood after watching the film again why Murray got only 53.9% completion and 145 yards, 1 TD, and 1 INT. He had another bad passing game for multiple reasons: fill in the blank __________. The Cardinals win was fortunate, thanks to a 15yd penalty flag for a helmet-to-helmet hit and a broken dink and dunk pass play late in 4th quarter that put the Cardinals Kicker in position to make the FG as time expired. I don't buy that the Chargers players know jack about where a pass play is going before the snap. That's pregame stuff intended to get into a players head or impress the media and fans. I agree that Murray often does not read all his options and does not look off defenders. Does he ever do a pass fake? Like Rodgers and Mahomes? I doubt it because the Little Dude is running for his life. The OL cannot hold the rush long enough for him to do that magic stuff. So, he commits fast, often missing the optimal WR, as Warner points out. I agree that Petzing is lazy or over-confident. Lipreaders see what he is saying to the QB. Duh! Cover your mouth, Duffus! We hear again and again from Gannon how this and that needs to be cleaned up. How and when does that happen? The last game is case in point. Two WRs on the right side ran go routes. They breaking inside at 7 yards and 12 yards a split second apart. Only 5 yards separation. One LB covers both WRs. WRs are out of position to catch a ball with their hands. The ball hits the WR in the head, chest, or butt and falls to the ground. A lot of the above is a clear indication that coach practice time is being wasted and the WRs are not too smart. But we are entertained nonetheless. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 25, 2024 7:26:34 GMT -7
As I understand it, the crux of Warner's criticism of KM1 was that he was reading coverage too fast. In other words, Kyler looks to the 1/3 part of the field first where his primary receiver is on the play and if not immediately open then goes to middle of the field and then to other 1/3 all in less than 2.5 seconds before either running or hitting the check-down. Now Warner states if he would just read the coverage to wait another .25 - .33 seconds when the primary WR make his break at top of route that often then he is open ... but Kyler has already moved off looking at that zone.
You can go back all the way to the first game of the season vs. the Bills where MHJ is wide open down the right sideline. If you'll recall the Cards have both Dortch (short) around the right hash and MHJ as the X between the right hash and sideline. On that play the safety moved forward to Dortch (as well as the LB who was inside the hashes) leaving MHJ wide open. However had Kyler just slowed down (calm in the pocket) less than a quarter of a second he would have seen the safety break short and then hit MHJ for the winning TD.
So this Warner analysis makes sense of something I would have hoped Kyler would have already mastered in his 6th yr though only his 2nd year under a new OC. QB's always talk about rhythm and timing on routes -- IMO Kyler needs to read the defense PRE_SNAP knowing if defense is in Man or Zone and then have a sense of timing on the WR route how long until he gets to his break and then deliver the ball. If the primary doesn't get off the LOS clean, then you can immediately go to your 2nd read and still have your check-down available (of course you must know where he'll be pre-snap depending again on if defense is in man or zone).
The above is why (see even Stafford last night did planned rollouts/reverse pivot rollouts) I wish there were more plays where Reiman comes in motion and blows up the end on the direction of a planned rollout. So when Kyler rolls out he has clear vision and both his primary and 2nd read receiver are on the same half of the field ... then hit the one who puts their foot in the ground, makes their cut and gets the better immediate separation. BTW: Reiman can then leak out late for an easy 6-7 yd toss in case the defense has both wideouts covered. The scenario above should be a STAPLE in the Cards offense because KM1's running ability will make the LB and safety on that half of the field "freeze" momentarily which should INCREASE the throwing window. C'mon -- this shouldn't be this difficult. I saw the Chiefs last weekend put TE's Kelce and Gray on same side of the formation ... MULTIPLE times Kelce went out for his usual 6-7 yd out pattern, Mahomes stares at Kelce while Gray goes down the left hash to be WIDE OPEN 15-20 yds down the field for nice chunk throws. These plays were Andy Reid's solution to them not having a WR which can be covered with single coverage.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 25, 2024 8:25:00 GMT -7
As I understand it, the crux of Warner's criticism of KM1 was that he was reading coverage too fast. In other words, Kyler looks to the 1/3 part of the field first where his primary receiver is on the play and if not immediately open then goes to middle of the field and then to other 1/3 all in less than 2.5 seconds before either running or hitting the check-down. Now Warner states if he would just read the coverage to wait another .25 - .33 seconds when the primary WR make his break at top of route that often then he is open ... but Kyler has already moved off looking at that zone. You can go back all the way to the first game of the season vs. the Bills where MHJ is wide open down the right sideline. If you'll recall the Cards have both Dortch (short) around the right hash and MHJ as the X between the right hash and sideline. On that play the safety moved forward to Dortch (as well as the LB who was inside the hashes) leaving MHJ wide open. However had Kyler just slowed down (calm in the pocket) less than a quarter of a second he would have seen the safety break short and then hit MHJ for the winning TD. So this Warner analysis makes sense of something I would have hoped Kyler would have already mastered in his 6th yr though only his 2nd year under a new OC. QB's always talk about rhythm and timing on routes -- IMO Kyler needs to read the defense PRE_SNAP knowing if defense is in Man or Zone and then have a sense of timing on the WR route how long until he gets to his break and then deliver the ball. If the primary doesn't get off the LOS clean, then you can immediately go to your 2nd read and still have your check-down available (of course you must know where he'll be pre-snap depending again on if defense is in man or zone). The above is why (see even Stafford last night did planned rollouts/reverse pivot rollouts) I wish there were more plays where Reiman comes in motion and blows up the end on the direction of a planned rollout. So when Kyler rolls out he has clear vision and both his primary and 2nd read receiver are on the same half of the field ... then hit the one who puts their foot in the ground, makes their cut and gets the better immediate separation. BTW: Reiman can then leak out late for an easy 6-7 yd toss in case the defense has both wideouts covered. The scenario above should be a STAPLE in the Cards offense because KM1's running ability will make the LB and safety on that half of the field "freeze" momentarily which should INCREASE the throwing window. C'mon -- this shouldn't be this difficult. I saw the Chiefs last weekend put TE's Kelce and Gray on same side of the formation ... MULTIPLE times Kelce went out for his usual 6-7 yd out pattern, Mahomes stares at Kelce while Gray goes down the left hash to be WIDE OPEN 15-20 yds down the field for nice chunk throws. These plays were Andy Reid's solution to them not having a WR which can be covered with single coverage. Murray can be as good as Mahomes...if Murray just relaxes for .25 second more on some pass plays or looks off or pass fakes defenders. Murray can always move the pocket and his feet to buy .25 second of time, like Mahomes does when defenders get too close. I do like that Murray is under Center more often this season. Rarely is everyone covered on pass plays. Murray should be better. It's his 6th year!!! |
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Post by cardinalsins on Oct 25, 2024 8:51:39 GMT -7
As I understand it, the crux of Warner's criticism of KM1 was that he was reading coverage too fast. In other words, Kyler looks to the 1/3 part of the field first where his primary receiver is on the play and if not immediately open then goes to middle of the field and then to other 1/3 all in less than 2.5 seconds before either running or hitting the check-down. Now Warner states if he would just read the coverage to wait another .25 - .33 seconds when the primary WR make his break at top of route that often then he is open ... but Kyler has already moved off looking at that zone. You can go back all the way to the first game of the season vs. the Bills where MHJ is wide open down the right sideline. If you'll recall the Cards have both Dortch (short) around the right hash and MHJ as the X between the right hash and sideline. On that play the safety moved forward to Dortch (as well as the LB who was inside the hashes) leaving MHJ wide open. However had Kyler just slowed down (calm in the pocket) less than a quarter of a second he would have seen the safety break short and then hit MHJ for the winning TD. So this Warner analysis makes sense of something I would have hoped Kyler would have already mastered in his 6th yr though only his 2nd year under a new OC. QB's always talk about rhythm and timing on routes -- IMO Kyler needs to read the defense PRE_SNAP knowing if defense is in Man or Zone and then have a sense of timing on the WR route how long until he gets to his break and then deliver the ball. If the primary doesn't get off the LOS clean, then you can immediately go to your 2nd read and still have your check-down available (of course you must know where he'll be pre-snap depending again on if defense is in man or zone). The above is why (see even Stafford last night did planned rollouts/reverse pivot rollouts) I wish there were more plays where Reiman comes in motion and blows up the end on the direction of a planned rollout. So when Kyler rolls out he has clear vision and both his primary and 2nd read receiver are on the same half of the field ... then hit the one who puts their foot in the ground, makes their cut and gets the better immediate separation. BTW: Reiman can then leak out late for an easy 6-7 yd toss in case the defense has both wideouts covered. The scenario above should be a STAPLE in the Cards offense because KM1's running ability will make the LB and safety on that half of the field "freeze" momentarily which should INCREASE the throwing window. C'mon -- this shouldn't be this difficult. I saw the Chiefs last weekend put TE's Kelce and Gray on same side of the formation ... MULTIPLE times Kelce went out for his usual 6-7 yd out pattern, Mahomes stares at Kelce while Gray goes down the left hash to be WIDE OPEN 15-20 yds down the field for nice chunk throws. These plays were Andy Reid's solution to them not having a WR which can be covered with single coverage. Murray can be as good as Mahomes...if Murray just relaxes for .25 second more on some pass plays or looks off or pass fakes defenders. Murray can always move the pocket and his feet to buy .25 second of time, like Mahomes does when defenders get too close. I do like that Murray is under Center more often this season. Rarely is everyone covered on pass plays. Murray should be better. It's his 6th year!!! We need K1 to be better than Mahomes....who is having a statistically awful year. He's already beating him in many metrics. All except the most important one....wins. |
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