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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 13, 2024 14:22:53 GMT -7
Good- The portion of the game I was able watch...there was no good in the game. The good I noticed was the game threads and K1 didn't get trashed for a clear team loss.
Bad- The coaching is experiencing exposure of bad game prep, play selection and in-game adjustments.
Ugly- SMB who I liked before he played for the Cards. He was responsible for at least 14 points and multiple 1st downs from penalties. JG is not following through with players earning or losing snaps as per their in game performances. Too many Card injuries. The officiating was terrible as well as the Cards having about the same amount they had in the previous 5 games.
The second guessing of every move to the roster is quite funny. The coaching hasn't been very good. The play has been inconsistent. To be playing so much zone and no awareness of screens or drive from defense to limit screen success is odd and a coaching error when defenders are facing the line of scrimmage and are not reacting well to a developing screen.
It was no surprise today, there has been no evidence of being able to show up to play for more than one week at a time and the bad settles in and isn't flushed. The play isn't as good as many of the parts as some of the poor parts continue to keep the defense on the field as well as parts keep the offense from playing well. JG may want to be more proactive in removing players from the field who continually cost the team with their bad play.
Many bad FB teams currently in the NFL and the Cards have too much talent to play this bad. When Love is horrible against the blitz and the defense doesn't blitz at a high rate...it's bad coaching. When a CB is playing horrible and continues to play...it is bad coaching. Having a young team and young coaches is a bad combo.
I am a Cardinal fan and the old Cardinal way is a tough nut to conquer. There are not enough player and coaches who value their job...the NFL will take effect.
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Post by aussiecardfan on Oct 13, 2024 15:11:14 GMT -7
Game was too early (4am)here in oz, that probs why I didn’t get to slander your boy on the game chat… haha
Thanks for the write up again mate.
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 13, 2024 15:19:27 GMT -7
Game was too early (4am)here in oz, that probs why I didn’t get to slander your boy on the game chat… haha Thanks for the write up again mate. You are consistent.  It may have been better to not make the trip and forfeit the game. Player injuries and wear and tear...it wasn't worth the results. I even caught K1 being a bit of a cheerleader when they made a bit of a push before the Conner fumble that just led to more ugly spiraling. K1 did miss a TD throw to Weaver...a bit too long to be caught. I do appreciate you and Devongent keeping up with the Cards even with the time change that adds to the ability to watch games. |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 13, 2024 15:43:51 GMT -7
MT, thanks for the summary. I won't add to the legend.
Looking ahead, the coaches need to look at themselves this week. Five of six games in this young season were terrible in execution (the win over SF was also a terrible game saved by a FG by a PS kicker). What are the common denominators? There are a few. But coaching seems to be the #1 issue. The Head Coach knows he's got a problem, and it's not because all the players cannot execute consistently.
The coaches cannot do some things because of the roster talent. Talent issues point at the GM and how he does his job.
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Post by knobby on Oct 13, 2024 16:04:37 GMT -7
The coaches cannot do some things because of the roster talent. Talent issues point at the GM and how he does his job. The game looked like a chicken farm today with plenty of eggs being laid everywhere - including the sidelines. While true that talent is limiting for coaches, getting the most from that talent seems to vary greatly from game to game. From first to worst in penalties?? That's not all on MO, though there is room for improvement with his results, too. Culpability abounds among all. IMHO |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 13, 2024 16:16:58 GMT -7
The coaches cannot do some things because of the roster talent. Talent issues point at the GM and how he does his job. The game looked like a chicken farm today with plenty of eggs being laid everywhere - including the sidelines. While true that talent is limiting for coaches, getting the most from that talent seems to vary greatly from game to game. From first to worst in penalties?? That's not all on MO, though there is room for improvement with his results, too. Culpability abounds among all. IMHO The penalties were an iceberg. The Cardinals did not see the hazard coming and their ship went down fast. The broadcast booth pointed out the ticky-tack nature of some referee judgment calls. Also, was a single referee call reviewed today? I saw no sideline booth reviews. And there were no HC challenges. The worst penalties were not reviewable. The Referee was righteous. And so on. I saw an old Ref Jerry Markbreit ghost at GB today. Remember him? He was the worst ever. Even when caught being wrong, he denied it. |
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Post by flash on Oct 13, 2024 16:46:01 GMT -7
The Good We are only one game behind the 49ers and Seahawks in the division. And we jump ahead of either or both if we tie in wins because we have zero division losses. We have 11 games to fix things. We hopefully get Marvin, Zay and DRob back next week.
The Bad McBride had the most yards. Our receiving stats:
McBride Targets: 8
Receptions: 8 Yards: 96 TD: 0
Demercado Targets: 7
Receptions: 5 Yards: 39 TD: 0
Dortch Targets: 5
Receptions: 3 Yards: 36 TD: 0
Conner Targets: 5
Receptions: 4 Yards: 22 TD: 0
Wilson Targets: 4
Receptions: 2 Yards: 21 TD: 1
Weaver Targets: 1
Receptions: 0 Yards: 0 TDs: 0
What is wrong with the stats above? Why does our #2 WR in Wilson have the 5th most targets? But worse than that, why do our TE, our #1 RB and #3 RB and our #3 WR have more targets than Wilson?
Well, it has to be either the play calling by Petzing or Murray not throwing to Wilson or Wilson not being able to separate? That has to be figured out by Petzing. Marvin had only 2 targets. The first target, Murray and Marvin were not in sync on the play. The second one, Marvin should have caught but did not. Why are we not involving Weaver more? Had Murray not have over thrown the ball, Weaver was open and would have scored a TD. Does Weaver need more game time play to get in sync with Murray? I would rather see Weaver get more targets than Demercado or Connor. We have a WR sitting on the bench that could become a better WR than our RB's trying to become WR's.
Either Petzing has to call plays for Marvin or Murray has to throw the ball to Marvin a hell of a lot more than they have been doing. Let Marvin learn how to catch the 50/50 balls...we have a Ferrari that is never being full throttled...what a waste...
When our #1 RB was Trey Benson with 5 carries and 26 rushing yards, that is really sad. Connor had more carries than Benson or Demercado, but only had 3.43 yards average per carry. Is Connor starting to get worn down? If he is, we all knew that was going to happen.
At this point, there are 2 players that need to be benched or dumped. That would be Bunting and Pascal. We are a young team. I think we should let Melton, Garrett and Starling be our starting CB's. I also think we should dump Pascal and bring in Palmer from the Practice Squad. If we did that, our WR Corp would be:
Marvin Wilson Dortch Weaver Palmer
Without Marvin, we had to rely on our RB's, #3 WR and TE to be the Receivers with the most gains.
The Ugly The Penalties killed us. 3 Turnovers killed us. What happened?
We did not lose defensively because we go blown out by a RB or a WR. Love spread the ball around to 4 different RB's and 6 different WR's. The depth of our defense was not strong enough to prevent this...
Josh Jacobs had 62 Rushing yards and 0 TD's. Christian Watson had 68 Receiving yards and 1 TD.
Their other 3 TD's were by their #2 WR and their #4 WR...who is responsible for coverage on them? Hmm...
None of their offensive players got close to breaking 100 receiving or rushing yards.
We allowed them to capitalize on our turnovers... _________________________________________
Like I said on this post, we can recoup from this loss. We still have 11 more games to recover. We have Zay Jones and DRob coming back next week more than likely. And hopefully, Marvin will get the majority of Receiving Targets from now on...we are far from even considering throwing in the towel...
This game does make two bad games that we have had. Can you imagine if we would have lost to the Rams and 49ers like everyone thought we would? We would be the worst team in the league. That would be really UGLY...
We do have a good team, but we can be better...especially on offense...our defense would be better if we did have better caliber players...but we have to wait till next season to resolve that....
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Post by End Zone on Oct 13, 2024 17:05:46 GMT -7
The Good We are only one game behind the 49ers and Seahawks in the division. And we jump ahead of either or both if we tie in wins because we have zero division losses. We have 11 games to fix things. We hopefully get Marvin, Zay and DRob back next week.
The Bad McBride had the most yards. Our receiving stats:
McBride Targets: 8
Receptions: 8 Yards: 96 TD: 0
Demercado Targets: 7
Receptions: 5 Yards: 39 TD: 0
Dortch Targets: 5
Receptions: 3 Yards: 36 TD: 0
Conner Targets: 5
Receptions: 4 Yards: 22 TD: 0
Wilson Targets: 4
Receptions: 2 Yards: 21 TD: 1
Weaver Targets: 1
Receptions: 0 Yards: 0 TDs: 0
What is wrong with the stats above? Why does our #2 WR in Wilson have the 5th most targets? But worse than that, why do our TE, our #1 RB and #3 RB and our #3 WR have more targets than Wilson?
Well, it has to be either the play calling by Petzing or Murray not throwing to Wilson or Wilson not being able to separate? That has to be figured out by Petzing. Marvin had only 2 targets. The first target, Murray and Marvin were not in sync on the play. The second one, Marvin should have caught but did not. Why are we not involving Weaver more? Had Murray not have over thrown the ball, Weaver was open and would have scored a TD. Does Weaver need more game time play to get in sync with Murray? I would rather see Weaver get more targets than Demercado or Connor. We have a WR sitting on the bench that could become a better WR than our RB's trying to become WR's.
Either Petzing has to call plays for Marvin or Murray has to throw the ball to Marvin a hell of a lot more than they have been doing. Let Marvin learn how to catch the 50/50 balls...we have a Ferrari that is never being full throttled...what a waste...
When our #1 RB was Trey Benson with 5 carries and 26 rushing yards, that is really sad. Connor had more carries than Benson or Demercado, but only had 3.43 yards average per carry. Is Connor starting to get worn down? If he is, we all knew that was going to happen.
At this point, there are 2 players that need to be benched or dumped. That would be Bunting and Pascal. We are a young team. I think we should let Melton, Garrett and Starling be our starting CB's. I also think we should dump Pascal and bring in Palmer from the Practice Squad. If we did that, our WR Corp would be:
Marvin Wilson Dortch Weaver Palmer
Without Marvin, we had to rely on our RB's, #3 WR and TE to be the Receivers with the most gains.
The Ugly The Penalties killed us. 3 Turnovers killed us. What happened?
We did not lose defensively because we go blown out by a RB or a WR. Love spread the ball around to 4 different RB's and 6 different WR's. The depth of our defense was not strong enough to prevent this...
Josh Jacobs had 62 Rushing yards and 0 TD's. Christian Watson had 68 Receiving yards and 1 TD.
Their other 3 TD's were by their #2 WR and their #4 WR...who is responsible for coverage on them? Hmm...
None of their offensive players got close to breaking 100 receiving or rushing yards.
We allowed them to capitalize on our turnovers... _________________________________________
Like I said on this post, we can recoup from this loss. We still have 11 more games to recover. We have Zay Jones and DRob coming back next week more than likely. And hopefully, Marvin will get the majority of Receiving Targets from now on...we are far from even considering throwing in the towel...
This game does make two bad games that we have had. Can you imagine if we would have lost to the Rams and 49ers like everyone thought we would? We would be the worst team in the league. That would be really UGLY...
We do have a good team, but we can be better...especially on offense...our defense would be better if we did have better caliber players...but we have to wait till next season to resolve that....
I knew McBride was Murray's favorite today. He was open on just about every route. Hell, he was open sitting on the bench! What I cannot figure out is Harrison getting open. I don't think it is entirely his fault that Murray is not seeing Harrison. Murray is on a deserted island regarding a lot of WRs since 2019. That's a fact. He cannot see people. I thought LaFluer did an outstanding job of containing Murray and forced him to work from the pocket. We then saw how 2-3 Packer defenders converged on the running lanes as soon as Murray was flushed from the pocket, preventing long runs for yardage. When Murray was forced to stand in the pocket, he's came up short on yardage except for McBride and a couple nice throws to Wilson. I agree a couple Cardinals DB players should be cut tomorrow. Their trial periods are done. I could care less about the sunk costs. The DBs failed to make the grade. We have some promising talent on the bench and PS. Move on. |
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Post by cardinalsdo on Oct 13, 2024 17:19:13 GMT -7
I looked at this game, and I realize the first thing people were going to blame were the coaches. The coaches aren't responsible for 3 fumbles. But I also agree that we have to replace the head coach. This is a culture issue. We have to move on. Gannon isn't going to get this done. He doesn't have the pedigree, charisma or stature to get these guys to play at a higher level. You have to bring in a proven guy or a guy with some success to create that culture in the locker room the way Bruce Arians did.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 13, 2024 17:37:01 GMT -7
I looked at this game, and I realize the first thing people were going to blame were the coaches. The coaches aren't responsible for 3 fumbles. But I also agree that we have to replace the head coach. This is a culture issue. We have to move on. Gannon isn't going to get this done. He doesn't have the pedigree, charisma or stature to get these guys to play at a higher level. You have to bring in a proven guy or a guy with some success to create that culture in the locker room the way Bruce Arians did. I think HC Gannon is safe for awhile, probably through 2025. The GM and HC culture is working. It's the product on the field that is not working. I watch HC Gannon's demeanor on the sidelines and appreciate that he does not show many emotions on the outside of his skin like some blowhards around the League. Gannon keeps his cool. When the Cardinals players are doing dumb stuff, he is stoic. He knows the players are responsible for penalties and fumbles and errors. He knows the young guys have tough lessons to learn. If they don't learn, they are put on a bus. A blowhard head coach is a distraction and unnecessary. That type behavior is not leadership. It's an ego out of control. I'll take a Jonathan Gannon or Sean McVay over a Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh any day. The two Cardinals coordinators are not safe, IMV. They call offensive and defensive plays. If their tactics don't work, they are accountable. The players still must execute the plays for the points to go on the scoreboard and the wins to pile up on Sunday nights. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 13, 2024 17:50:07 GMT -7
I looked at this game, and I realize the first thing people were going to blame were the coaches. The coaches aren't responsible for 3 fumbles. But I also agree that we have to replace the head coach. This is a culture issue. We have to move on. Gannon isn't going to get this done. He doesn't have the pedigree, charisma or stature to get these guys to play at a higher level. You have to bring in a proven guy or a guy with some success to create that culture in the locker room the way Bruce Arians did. I think HC Gannon is safe for awhile, probably through 2025. The GM and HC culture is working. It's the product on the field that is not working. I watch HC Gannon's demeanor on the sidelines and appreciate that he does not show many emotions on the outside of his skin like some blowhards around the League. Gannon keeps his cool. When the Cardinals players are doing dumb stuff, he is stoic. He knows the players are responsible for penalties and fumbles and errors. He knows the young guys have tough lessons to learn. If they don't learn, they are put on a bus. A blowhard head coach is a distraction and unnecessary. That type behavior is not leadership. It's an ego out of control. I'll take a Jonathan Gannon or Sean McVay over a Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh any day. The two Cardinals coordinators are not safe, IMV. They call offensive and defensive plays. If their tactics don't work, they are accountable. The players still must execute the plays for the points to go on the scoreboard and the wins to pile up on Sunday nights. At some point JG needs to take the white gloves off and make moves to get a different result. We can be guilty for actions as well as lack of action. |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 13, 2024 18:05:58 GMT -7
The GOOD I see is the Chargers on Monday they are the weakest team we have faced this season. They would be a great first non-NFC west win in 2024.
Playing some bad teams will help turn things around.
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Post by End Zone on Oct 13, 2024 18:13:15 GMT -7
The GOOD I see is the Chargers on Monday they are the weakest team we have faced this season. They would be a great first non-NFC west win in 2024. Playing some bad teams will help turn things around. I hope that Harrison gets out of Concussion Protocol or whatever injury category he's placed in per NFL rules. I heard late today that he's going to have to pass an injury evaluation before practicing this week. NFI at this time. |
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Post by BigRedFan on Oct 13, 2024 18:33:15 GMT -7
The GOOD I see is the Chargers on Monday they are the weakest team we have faced this season. They would be a great first non-NFC west win in 2024. Playing some bad teams will help turn things around. Here's our silver lining... Cards are undefeated against California based teams this season. |
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Post by knobby on Oct 13, 2024 18:46:33 GMT -7
JG may want to be more proactive in removing players from the field who continually cost the team with their bad play. Has he any history of doing that since here? I can't think of an example, even for a couple of series, let alone a quarter, half or full game. Could it be concern about weak backup depth, or just his way of doing things? I tend to think the latter but of course don't know. |
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It may have been better to not make the trip and forfeit the game. Player injuries and wear and tear...it wasn't worth the results.
