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Post by CardCore on Oct 4, 2024 11:25:39 GMT -7
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Post by cbltv on Oct 4, 2024 16:03:46 GMT -7
YIKES!!!
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 4, 2024 16:46:13 GMT -7
Good information CC I was a bit surprised Niners and Rams were lower in motion in 2023 than Miami…all three are the same coaching tree. Mc Daniel worked under Mike Shanahan in Denver and may have more coaching experience as per years in the NFL than Kyle and Mc Vay. McVay can get the slower Kupp wide open even when he has lower body injuries slowing him down…just by tweeting the motion. Interesting in the second article the focus on Buddha and call plays away from him. I still think a five man front (OLB, DE, DT,DE, OLB) and running two ILB is better with the players on the roster is better than the five man front and 1 ILB and cheating Budda into the box. WA ran away from Budda as well to open field and no defender. A 5 man front and 2ILBs can be 4 man rush and the question is what OLB is the cover and what one is the pass rusher allowing the two ILBs to slide knowing what side the OLB is dropping into coverage. This would assist getting a true tackler of size protecting the edges while still having a ILB in the middle. I am just an idiot that has watched too much FB to like the garbage being run. Knowing if the run isn’t stopped a defense is screwed. The motion can be neutralized by a better 2nd level of the defense. It’s too much to ask an outside CB that has to play off and get run down the field to peel back and defend the run. I would rather play three LBs across and miss a couple mid level passes than get schooled by a RB hitting DBs or open field. |
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Post by CardCore on Oct 4, 2024 18:26:04 GMT -7
Good information CC I was a bit surprised Niners and Rams were lower in motion in 2023 than Miami…all three are the same coaching tree. Mc Daniel worked under Mike Shanahan in Denver and may have more coaching experience as per years in the NFL than Kyle and Mc Vay. McVay can get the slower Kupp wide open even when he has lower body injuries slowing him down…just by tweeting the motion. Interesting in the second article the focus on Buddha and call plays away from him. I still think a five man front (OLB, DE, DT,DE, OLB) and running two ILB is better with the players on the roster is better than the five man front and 1 ILB and cheating Budda into the box. WA ran away from Budda as well to open field and no defender. A 5 man front and 2ILBs can be 4 man rush and the question is what OLB is the cover and what one is the pass rusher allowing the two ILBs to slide knowing what side the OLB is dropping into coverage. This would assist getting a true tackler of size protecting the edges while still having a ILB in the middle. I am just an idiot that has watched too much FB to like the garbage being run. Knowing if the run isn’t stopped a defense is screwed. The motion can be neutralized by a better 2nd level of the defense. It’s too much to ask an outside CB that has to play off and get run down the field to peel back and defend the run. I would rather play three LBs across and miss a couple mid level passes than get schooled by a RB hitting DBs or open field. Thank you for your perspective MT. Your opinions, once vocalized help people like me and others get a better idea of what's up. Much appreciated. I think one of the things that made me want to post this was how the motion just disappeared when K1 came in middle of last season. I would love to know why. It seems fairly obvious that more than a few teams are turning all this into a real advantage and I believe any team that's struggling should be eyeballing the benefits of hopping on the bandwagon. I guess it reminds me somewhat of the seeming struggle to get on board with using more play action and K1 taking snaps from under center. |
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Post by End Zone on Oct 5, 2024 7:17:29 GMT -7
Good information CC I was a bit surprised Niners and Rams were lower in motion in 2023 than Miami…all three are the same coaching tree. Mc Daniel worked under Mike Shanahan in Denver and may have more coaching experience as per years in the NFL than Kyle and Mc Vay. McVay can get the slower Kupp wide open even when he has lower body injuries slowing him down…just by tweeting the motion. Interesting in the second article the focus on Buddha and call plays away from him. I still think a five man front (OLB, DE, DT,DE, OLB) and running two ILB is better with the players on the roster is better than the five man front and 1 ILB and cheating Budda into the box. WA ran away from Budda as well to open field and no defender. A 5 man front and 2ILBs can be 4 man rush and the question is what OLB is the cover and what one is the pass rusher allowing the two ILBs to slide knowing what side the OLB is dropping into coverage. This would assist getting a true tackler of size protecting the edges while still having a ILB in the middle. I am just an idiot that has watched too much FB to like the garbage being run. Knowing if the run isn’t stopped a defense is screwed. The motion can be neutralized by a better 2nd level of the defense. It’s too much to ask an outside CB that has to play off and get run down the field to peel back and defend the run. I would rather play three LBs across and miss a couple mid level passes than get schooled by a RB hitting DBs or open field. I used to love Counter Trey in the 1980s during the power run era. I rarely see it used these days. The concept is simple and I thought the Cardinals were going in this direction with Johnson last season. I think Petzing is using a variant now. pbs.twimg.com/media/EAYHvdrX4AE2toZ?format=jpg&name=900x900 |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 5, 2024 18:41:23 GMT -7
Good information CC I was a bit surprised Niners and Rams were lower in motion in 2023 than Miami…all three are the same coaching tree. Mc Daniel worked under Mike Shanahan in Denver and may have more coaching experience as per years in the NFL than Kyle and Mc Vay. McVay can get the slower Kupp wide open even when he has lower body injuries slowing him down…just by tweeting the motion. Interesting in the second article the focus on Buddha and call plays away from him. I still think a five man front (OLB, DE, DT,DE, OLB) and running two ILB is better with the players on the roster is better than the five man front and 1 ILB and cheating Budda into the box. WA ran away from Budda as well to open field and no defender. A 5 man front and 2ILBs can be 4 man rush and the question is what OLB is the cover and what one is the pass rusher allowing the two ILBs to slide knowing what side the OLB is dropping into coverage. This would assist getting a true tackler of size protecting the edges while still having a ILB in the middle. I am just an idiot that has watched too much FB to like the garbage being run. Knowing if the run isn’t stopped a defense is screwed. The motion can be neutralized by a better 2nd level of the defense. It’s too much to ask an outside CB that has to play off and get run down the field to peel back and defend the run. I would rather play three LBs across and miss a couple mid level passes than get schooled by a RB hitting DBs or open field. Thank you for your perspective MT. Your opinions, once vocalized help people like me and others get a better idea of what's up. Much appreciated. I think one of the things that made me want to post this was how the motion just disappeared when K1 came in middle of last season. I would love to know why. It seems fairly obvious that more than a few teams are turning all this into a real advantage and I believe any team that's struggling should be eyeballing the benefits of hopping on the bandwagon. I guess it reminds me somewhat of the seeming struggle to get on board with using more play action and K1 taking snaps from under center. CC you have been killing it with the avatars. Motion is used for multiple reasons, to make a defense show zone or man coverage, to assist a WR who isn't good at releasing from good CBs, shift strength of blockers from side to side, eye candy with jet motion to get defense to honor a ghost or make them pay if they do not pay attention to the jet, it can be used to isolate a defender. You make a solid point about going away from motion when K1 came back...why is the question. It kills me when teams are in pistol or shotgun in short yardage. With the OL and Conner and the run threat, play action also moving the pocket to see how the defense responds or even open clear throwing lanes with moving the pocket off play action is a great advantage. I appreciated Warner talking about staggered routes timed for 1st, 2nd or even 3rd reads keeping QB on schedule on each throw and that boils down to proper coaching rather than players or their abilities. Good to great coaches really assist players...sub-par coaching is similar looking without it assisting players to do their jobs. Is the coaching staff having to simplify or are they in want of actual game planning putting good concepts in the structure of a game? Companies like KIA make vehicles that look like better built vehicles...when they hit the road they are still KIAs as well as holding up to use they under-perform vehicles they were meant to look like and are subject to more failures and premature depreciation. There are teams like KC and the Niners and there are more KIA type teams. Cards need to do what a navigation system does after it picks up a wrong turn has occurred...recalculate and re-route...it is a bit unclear where this vehicle is going. |
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Post by CardsFanQC on Oct 6, 2024 4:10:07 GMT -7
This is perplexing about the lack of motion pre-snap to help KM1 know whether the defense is in zone or man-to-man. ESPECIALLY when a defense goes man allowing for a running QB to be able to get yardage running himself as defenders turn backs to LOS. Also knowing if defense is in man or zone should help a QB realize pre-snap where the football should be going.
Also -- where are WR sweeps with Dortch (your best returner) this season ??... well if you never use him in motion and suddenly Dortch is in motion, isn't that a "tell" to the defense that a WR reverse is coming ? KC uses motion all the time and if defense is in man-to-man, they incorporate "rub" routes to get easy 8-10 yd gains and move the chains.
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Post by CardCore on Oct 6, 2024 5:14:03 GMT -7
Thank you for your perspective MT. Your opinions, once vocalized help people like me and others get a better idea of what's up. Much appreciated. I think one of the things that made me want to post this was how the motion just disappeared when K1 came in middle of last season. I would love to know why. It seems fairly obvious that more than a few teams are turning all this into a real advantage and I believe any team that's struggling should be eyeballing the benefits of hopping on the bandwagon. I guess it reminds me somewhat of the seeming struggle to get on board with using more play action and K1 taking snaps from under center. CC you have been killing it with the avatars. Motion is used for multiple reasons, to make a defense show zone or man coverage, to assist a WR who isn't good at releasing from good CBs, shift strength of blockers from side to side, eye candy with jet motion to get defense to honor a ghost or make them pay if they do not pay attention to the jet, it can be used to isolate a defender. You make a solid point about going away from motion when K1 came back...why is the question. It kills me when teams are in pistol or shotgun in short yardage. With the OL and Conner and the run threat, play action also moving the pocket to see how the defense responds or even open clear throwing lanes with moving the pocket off play action is a great advantage. I appreciated Warner talking about staggered routes timed for 1st, 2nd or even 3rd reads keeping QB on schedule on each throw and that boils down to proper coaching rather than players or their abilities. Good to great coaches really assist players...sub-par coaching is similar looking without it assisting players to do their jobs. Is the coaching staff having to simplify or are they in want of actual game planning putting good concepts in the structure of a game? Companies like KIA make vehicles that look like better built vehicles...when they hit the road they are still KIAs as well as holding up to use they under-perform vehicles they were meant to look like and are subject to more failures and premature depreciation. There are teams like KC and the Niners and there are more KIA type teams. Cards need to do what a navigation system does after it picks up a wrong turn has occurred...recalculate and re-route...it is a bit unclear where this vehicle is going. Cool post MT. I really liked the way you used the "KIA" example to illustrate the pretenders and the GPS mode to clarify whether you're on or off track/needing to make adjustments. Pretty innovative....  You're right...... It does feels like the Cards are in Kia mode and need to listen to the lady saying, "Recalculating"..... |
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 6, 2024 6:44:36 GMT -7
CC you have been killing it with the avatars. Motion is used for multiple reasons, to make a defense show zone or man coverage, to assist a WR who isn't good at releasing from good CBs, shift strength of blockers from side to side, eye candy with jet motion to get defense to honor a ghost or make them pay if they do not pay attention to the jet, it can be used to isolate a defender. You make a solid point about going away from motion when K1 came back...why is the question. It kills me when teams are in pistol or shotgun in short yardage. With the OL and Conner and the run threat, play action also moving the pocket to see how the defense responds or even open clear throwing lanes with moving the pocket off play action is a great advantage. I appreciated Warner talking about staggered routes timed for 1st, 2nd or even 3rd reads keeping QB on schedule on each throw and that boils down to proper coaching rather than players or their abilities. Good to great coaches really assist players...sub-par coaching is similar looking without it assisting players to do their jobs. Is the coaching staff having to simplify or are they in want of actual game planning putting good concepts in the structure of a game? Companies like KIA make vehicles that look like better built vehicles...when they hit the road they are still KIAs as well as holding up to use they under-perform vehicles they were meant to look like and are subject to more failures and premature depreciation. There are teams like KC and the Niners and there are more KIA type teams. Cards need to do what a navigation system does after it picks up a wrong turn has occurred...recalculate and re-route...it is a bit unclear where this vehicle is going. Cool post MT. I really liked the way you used the "KIA" example to illustrate the pretenders and the GPS mode to clarify whether you're on or off track/needing to make adjustments. Pretty innovative.... You're right...... It does feels like the Cards are in Kia mode and need to listen to the lady saying, "Recalculating"..... The question is are the Cards going through a difficult transition like the Lions or are they fluttering as a KIA type team would? If this is part of slow growth I have no issue other than impatience. The Lions were a slow growth team as per not having tangible proof of concept until last year and further growth so far this year. Before they had disappointing stretches and slow developing signs of achieving a systematic transition or resolution. The Lions stuck it out with their staff even when the results were not what was expected at the time. |
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Post by CardCore on Oct 6, 2024 7:02:53 GMT -7
Cool post MT. I really liked the way you used the "KIA" example to illustrate the pretenders and the GPS mode to clarify whether you're on or off track/needing to make adjustments. Pretty innovative.... You're right...... It does feels like the Cards are in Kia mode and need to listen to the lady saying, "Recalculating"..... The question is are the Cards going through a difficult transition like the Lions or are they fluttering as a KIA type team would? If this is part of slow growth I have no issue other than impatience. The Lions were a slow growth team as per not having tangible proof of concept until last year and further growth so far this year. Before they had disappointing stretches and slow developing signs of achieving a systematic transition or resolution. The Lions stuck it out with their staff even when the results were not what was expected at the time. I may have kinda rubbed up against this question in a response I just posted in your "post Mortem" thread..... |
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Post by redbirdwatcher on Oct 6, 2024 19:51:32 GMT -7
Well, I like my Kia.
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Post by MT Diesel on Oct 6, 2024 21:01:34 GMT -7
I was waiting for a comment like this.   |
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You're right...... It does feels like the Cards are in Kia mode and need to listen to the lady saying, "Recalculating".....
